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From: Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Subject: [NTG-context] Re: Quickly invoke a self-defined index sorting file?
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2025 13:18:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <617607a6-27f1-4c41-994e-a73a336d4f63@xs4all.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <173668283655.1761.4882098632104514752@cgl.ntg.nl>

On 1/12/2025 12:53 PM, autumnus wrote:
> Thanks for the explanation.
> 
> After using \registerctxluafile{sort-hanzi}{},
> the bumping message did not appear.
> 
> In terms of daily practical use, I really don't need so many characters.
> I just don't have the energy to pick out those thousands of commonly used Chinese characters
> from these 40,000 or 50,000 characters
> (In China, for example, there are only about 6,000-8,000 characters actually used on a daily basis.
>   In Japanese, you may only need about 1000-3000 characters)

so the entries table can just be omitted then

> There are only two commonly used sorts for these characters:
> (Sorting has nothing to do with unicode sorting)
> 1 according to the actual pronunciation of the  characters and
> 2 according to the order in which the characters are written (strokes).
> (The situation in Japanese should probably be mostly sorted by actual pronunciation based on kana,
> but the pronunciation of kanji in Japanese is much more complicated than in Chinese.)
> 
> But sorting by strokes, I don't have the ability to achieve it at the moment.
> So the three indexes I designed are sorted according to the actual pronunciation of the Chinese characters.
> 
> The difference between them is only in the entries.
> 1 Sort in the order of a, b, c d, and use these letters as entries.(mostly used)
> 2 Sort in the order of a ai ao an ...... , and these pronunciations are used as entries.
> 3 Sort Chinese characters directly by their pronunciation and use them as entries.
> 
> Because I know almost nothing about lua myself, just referring to sort-lang (just applying templates)

you can set up a combination of sorting if needed

so the 'order' table is what matters in your case, is that table made 
from some public list?

> For the sorting of Japanese, the sorting I see on latex
> Unless there is a tool that can simultaneously
> phonetize the Chinese characters in the index at compile time.

if we have the basic data (how to pronounce a single char) then runtime 
is no big deal

Hans

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-12 12:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-12  8:58 [NTG-context] " autumnus 
2025-01-12 11:01 ` [NTG-context] " Hans Hagen
2025-01-12 11:53   ` autumnus 
2025-01-12 12:18     ` Hans Hagen [this message]
2025-01-12 13:54       ` autumnus 
2025-01-12 15:59         ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context

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