mathmatrix and grid: followup

mathmatrix and grid: followup

[Henri Menke]

Dear list,

some time ago I asked about the interplay of mathmatix with grid typesetting: https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2016/087018.html

I noticed that when the grid is enabled, the height of a mathmatrix is rounded down which leaves less space above than below.  In my opinion either the height should be rounded up or the depth rounded down here.  In the original thread Wolfgang proposed using \setupformula[grid=tolerant] and adding a blank line before the formula (otherwise grid=tolerant is applied to the paragraph before).  This workaround leads to the depth being rounded down in the example below which produces a more balanced output.  Could this somehow be made the default behaviour or something?  Currently it requires the user to notice that vertical spacing is off and correct it manually, including adding a blank line before the formula to prevent grid=tolerant being applied to the paragraph.

Cheers, Henri

---

\setuplayout[grid=yes]
\showgrid

\starttext

\input knuth
\startformula
  \vrule % make lineheight and depth visible
  \startmathmatrix
    \NC A \NR
    \NC B \NR
    \NC C \NR
  \stopmathmatrix
\stopformula
\input tufte

\stoptext
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Re: mathmatrix and grid: followup

[Henri Menke]

Bump

On 11/22/2016 02:18 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
> Dear list,
> 
> some time ago I asked about the interplay of mathmatix with grid typesetting: https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2016/087018.html
> 
> I noticed that when the grid is enabled, the height of a mathmatrix is rounded down which leaves less space above than below.  In my opinion either the height should be rounded up or the depth rounded down here.  In the original thread Wolfgang proposed using \setupformula[grid=tolerant] and adding a blank line before the formula (otherwise grid=tolerant is applied to the paragraph before).  This workaround leads to the depth being rounded down in the example below which produces a more balanced output.  Could this somehow be made the default behaviour or something?  Currently it requires the user to notice that vertical spacing is off and correct it manually, including adding a blank line before the formula to prevent grid=tolerant being applied to the paragraph.
> 
> Cheers, Henri
> 
> ---
> 
> \setuplayout[grid=yes]
> \showgrid
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \input knuth
> \startformula
>   \vrule % make lineheight and depth visible
>   \startmathmatrix
>     \NC A \NR
>     \NC B \NR
>     \NC C \NR
>   \stopmathmatrix
> \stopformula
> \input tufte
> 
> \stoptext
> 

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Re: mathmatrix and grid: followup

[Henri Menke]

Bump

On 11/27/2016 07:45 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
> Bump
> 
> On 11/22/2016 02:18 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
>> Dear list,
>>
>> some time ago I asked about the interplay of mathmatix with grid typesetting: https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2016/087018.html
>>
>> I noticed that when the grid is enabled, the height of a mathmatrix is rounded down which leaves less space above than below.  In my opinion either the height should be rounded up or the depth rounded down here.  In the original thread Wolfgang proposed using \setupformula[grid=tolerant] and adding a blank line before the formula (otherwise grid=tolerant is applied to the paragraph before).  This workaround leads to the depth being rounded down in the example below which produces a more balanced output.  Could this somehow be made the default behaviour or something?  Currently it requires the user to notice that vertical spacing is off and correct it manually, including adding a blank line before the formula to prevent grid=tolerant being applied to the paragraph.
>>
>> Cheers, Henri
>>
>> ---
>>
>> \setuplayout[grid=yes]
>> \showgrid
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \input knuth
>> \startformula
>>   \vrule % make lineheight and depth visible
>>   \startmathmatrix
>>     \NC A \NR
>>     \NC B \NR
>>     \NC C \NR
>>   \stopmathmatrix
>> \stopformula
>> \input tufte
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
> 

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Re: mathmatrix and grid: followup

[Henri Menke]

Bump and (belated) Happy New Year!

On 12/10/2016 10:37 AM, Henri Menke wrote:
> Bump
> 
> On 11/27/2016 07:45 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
>> Bump
>>
>> On 11/22/2016 02:18 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
>>> Dear list,
>>>
>>> some time ago I asked about the interplay of mathmatix with grid typesetting: https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2016/087018.html
>>>
>>> I noticed that when the grid is enabled, the height of a mathmatrix is rounded down which leaves less space above than below.  In my opinion either the height should be rounded up or the depth rounded down here.  In the original thread Wolfgang proposed using \setupformula[grid=tolerant] and adding a blank line before the formula (otherwise grid=tolerant is applied to the paragraph before).  This workaround leads to the depth being rounded down in the example below which produces a more balanced output.  Could this somehow be made the default behaviour or something?  Currently it requires the user to notice that vertical spacing is off and correct it manually, including adding a blank line before the formula to prevent grid=tolerant being applied to the paragraph.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Henri
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> \setuplayout[grid=yes]
>>> \showgrid
>>>
>>> \starttext
>>>
>>> \input knuth
>>> \startformula
>>>   \vrule % make lineheight and depth visible
>>>   \startmathmatrix
>>>     \NC A \NR
>>>     \NC B \NR
>>>     \NC C \NR
>>>   \stopmathmatrix
>>> \stopformula
>>> \input tufte
>>>
>>> \stoptext
>>>
>>
> 

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Re: mathmatrix and grid: followup

[Henri Menke]

Bump

On 01/06/2017 10:33 AM, Henri Menke wrote:
> Bump and (belated) Happy New Year!
> 
> On 12/10/2016 10:37 AM, Henri Menke wrote:
>> Bump
>>
>> On 11/27/2016 07:45 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
>>> Bump
>>>
>>> On 11/22/2016 02:18 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
>>>> Dear list,
>>>>
>>>> some time ago I asked about the interplay of mathmatix with grid typesetting: https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2016/087018.html
>>>>
>>>> I noticed that when the grid is enabled, the height of a mathmatrix is rounded down which leaves less space above than below.  In my opinion either the height should be rounded up or the depth rounded down here.  In the original thread Wolfgang proposed using \setupformula[grid=tolerant] and adding a blank line before the formula (otherwise grid=tolerant is applied to the paragraph before).  This workaround leads to the depth being rounded down in the example below which produces a more balanced output.  Could this somehow be made the default behaviour or something?  Currently it requires the user to notice that vertical spacing is off and correct it manually, including adding a blank line before the formula to prevent grid=tolerant being applied to the paragraph.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Henri
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> \setuplayout[grid=yes]
>>>> \showgrid
>>>>
>>>> \starttext
>>>>
>>>> \input knuth
>>>> \startformula
>>>>   \vrule % make lineheight and depth visible
>>>>   \startmathmatrix
>>>>     \NC A \NR
>>>>     \NC B \NR
>>>>     \NC C \NR
>>>>   \stopmathmatrix
>>>> \stopformula
>>>> \input tufte
>>>>
>>>> \stoptext
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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Re: mathmatrix and grid: followup

[Henri Menke]

I haven’t bumped this in a long time...

On 01/24/2017 11:57 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
> Bump
> 
> On 01/06/2017 10:33 AM, Henri Menke wrote:
>> Bump and (belated) Happy New Year!
>>
>> On 12/10/2016 10:37 AM, Henri Menke wrote:
>>> Bump
>>>
>>> On 11/27/2016 07:45 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
>>>> Bump
>>>>
>>>> On 11/22/2016 02:18 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>>
>>>>> some time ago I asked about the interplay of mathmatix with grid typesetting: https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2016/087018.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed that when the grid is enabled, the height of a mathmatrix is rounded down which leaves less space above than below.  In my opinion either the height should be rounded up or the depth rounded down here.  In the original thread Wolfgang proposed using \setupformula[grid=tolerant] and adding a blank line before the formula (otherwise grid=tolerant is applied to the paragraph before).  This workaround leads to the depth being rounded down in the example below which produces a more balanced output.  Could this somehow be made the default behaviour or something?  Currently it requires the user to notice that vertical spacing is off and correct it manually, including adding a blank line before the formula to prevent grid=tolerant being applied to the paragraph.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, Henri
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> \setuplayout[grid=yes]
>>>>> \showgrid
>>>>>
>>>>> \starttext
>>>>>
>>>>> \input knuth
>>>>> \startformula
>>>>>   \vrule % make lineheight and depth visible
>>>>>   \startmathmatrix
>>>>>     \NC A \NR
>>>>>     \NC B \NR
>>>>>     \NC C \NR
>>>>>   \stopmathmatrix
>>>>> \stopformula
>>>>> \input tufte
>>>>>
>>>>> \stoptext
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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Re: mathmatrix and grid: followup

[Henri Menke]

This seems to be quite unimportant to anyone but me.  Bump!

On Sun, 2017-04-02 at 09:12 +1200, Henri Menke wrote:
> I haven’t bumped this in a long time...
> 
> On 01/24/2017 11:57 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
> > 
> > Bump
> > 
> > On 01/06/2017 10:33 AM, Henri Menke wrote:
> > > 
> > > Bump and (belated) Happy New Year!
> > > 
> > > On 12/10/2016 10:37 AM, Henri Menke wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Bump
> > > > 
> > > > On 11/27/2016 07:45 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bump
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 11/22/2016 02:18 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Dear list,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > some time ago I asked about the interplay of mathmatix with grid typesetting: https://ma
> > > > > > ilman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2016/087018.html
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I noticed that when the grid is enabled, the height of a mathmatrix is rounded down
> > > > > > which leaves less space above than below.  In my opinion either the height should be
> > > > > > rounded up or the depth rounded down here.  In the original thread Wolfgang proposed
> > > > > > using \setupformula[grid=tolerant] and adding a blank line before the formula (otherwise
> > > > > > grid=tolerant is applied to the paragraph before).  This workaround leads to the depth
> > > > > > being rounded down in the example below which produces a more balanced output.  Could
> > > > > > this somehow be made the default behaviour or something?  Currently it requires the user
> > > > > > to notice that vertical spacing is off and correct it manually, including adding a blank
> > > > > > line before the formula to prevent grid=tolerant being applied to the paragraph.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Cheers, Henri
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > \setuplayout[grid=yes]
> > > > > > \showgrid
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > \starttext
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > \input knuth
> > > > > > \startformula
> > > > > >   \vrule % make lineheight and depth visible
> > > > > >   \startmathmatrix
> > > > > >     \NC A \NR
> > > > > >     \NC B \NR
> > > > > >     \NC C \NR
> > > > > >   \stopmathmatrix
> > > > > > \stopformula
> > > > > > \input tufte
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > \stoptext
> > > > > > 
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Re: mathmatrix and grid: followup

[Henri Menke]

I just realised that this is fixed in beta.  Thanks!

On Thu, 2017-06-01 at 19:33 +1200, Henri Menke wrote:
> This seems to be quite unimportant to anyone but me.  Bump!
> 
> On Sun, 2017-04-02 at 09:12 +1200, Henri Menke wrote:
> > 
> > I haven’t bumped this in a long time...
> > 
> > On 01/24/2017 11:57 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Bump
> > > 
> > > On 01/06/2017 10:33 AM, Henri Menke wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Bump and (belated) Happy New Year!
> > > > 
> > > > On 12/10/2016 10:37 AM, Henri Menke wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bump
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 11/27/2016 07:45 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Bump
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On 11/22/2016 02:18 PM, Henri Menke wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Dear list,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > some time ago I asked about the interplay of mathmatix with grid typesetting: https://
> > > > > > > ma
> > > > > > > ilman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2016/087018.html
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I noticed that when the grid is enabled, the height of a mathmatrix is rounded down
> > > > > > > which leaves less space above than below.  In my opinion either the height should be
> > > > > > > rounded up or the depth rounded down here.  In the original thread Wolfgang proposed
> > > > > > > using \setupformula[grid=tolerant] and adding a blank line before the formula
> > > > > > > (otherwise
> > > > > > > grid=tolerant is applied to the paragraph before).  This workaround leads to the depth
> > > > > > > being rounded down in the example below which produces a more balanced output.  Could
> > > > > > > this somehow be made the default behaviour or something?  Currently it requires the
> > > > > > > user
> > > > > > > to notice that vertical spacing is off and correct it manually, including adding a
> > > > > > > blank
> > > > > > > line before the formula to prevent grid=tolerant being applied to the paragraph.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Cheers, Henri
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > \setuplayout[grid=yes]
> > > > > > > \showgrid
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > \starttext
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > \input knuth
> > > > > > > \startformula
> > > > > > >   \vrule % make lineheight and depth visible
> > > > > > >   \startmathmatrix
> > > > > > >     \NC A \NR
> > > > > > >     \NC B \NR
> > > > > > >     \NC C \NR
> > > > > > >   \stopmathmatrix
> > > > > > > \stopformula
> > > > > > > \input tufte
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > \stoptext
> > > > > > > 
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