* Which version of MkIV should we use?
@ 2020-10-25 23:09 Rik Kabel
2020-10-26 8:37 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Rik Kabel @ 2020-10-25 23:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hello all,
I have noticed some differences between the MkIV installed as part of
LMTX and the MkIV installed via first-setup.
Which should be used going forward when one wants to use MkIV?
(One difference: \contextkind is defined in file context.mkiv installed
via first-setup. It is not defined in the file of the same name
installed as part of LMTX. Another, more significant difference, is
loading modules.)
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* Re: Which version of MkIV should we use?
2020-10-25 23:09 Which version of MkIV should we use? Rik Kabel
@ 2020-10-26 8:37 ` Hans Hagen
2020-10-26 12:05 ` Rik Kabel
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2020-10-26 8:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Rik Kabel
On 10/26/2020 12:09 AM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I have noticed some differences between the MkIV installed as part of
> LMTX and the MkIV installed via first-setup.
>
> Which should be used going forward when one wants to use MkIV?
>
> (One difference: \contextkind is defined in file context.mkiv installed
> via first-setup. It is not defined in the file of the same name
> installed as part of LMTX. Another, more significant difference, is
> loading modules.)
mkiv works with luatex, lmtx needs luametatex
currently the functionality is mostly the same but further development
happens in lmtx
so, if mkiv works for you, just keep using it .. you can try your
document with lmtx and normally that should work ok
there is a distinction between
- core functionality (seldom changes)
- tricky things (migh tbe done better in lmtx)
- more radical new things hard to do in regular tex (will be in lmtx only)
the luametatex engine is more advanced than luatex (which we cannot
change any more in fundamental ways as it's also used outside context)
but with luametatex we can do (maybe) crazy things; the luametatex
enfine has all kind of improvements in the rendening, adds functionality
that makes implementations somewhat cleaner, is faster and uses less
memory, redesigns/organizes some internals (e.g. get rid of the
sometimes fuzzy accumulated engine mix), adds more interfaces in lua, is
self contained, etc ... see presentation(s) last ctx meeting.
currently i'm applying some of the more drastic new thing: more advance
macro argument parsing options, several levels of (macro) protection,
etc which actually might lead to issues (simple to deal with as most are
interface related, not functionality)
so ... you can use mkiv and/or snapshot the current lmtx and/or try the
latest greatest when it showsup
Hans
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* Re: Which version of MkIV should we use?
2020-10-26 8:37 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2020-10-26 12:05 ` Rik Kabel
2020-10-28 13:49 ` Rik Kabel
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From: Rik Kabel @ 2020-10-26 12:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Hans Hagen, mailing list for ConTeXt users
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On 10/26/2020 04:37, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 10/26/2020 12:09 AM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have noticed some differences between the MkIV installed as part of
>> LMTX and the MkIV installed via first-setup.
>>
>> Which should be used going forward when one wants to use MkIV?
>>
>> (One difference: \contextkind is defined in file context.mkiv
>> installed via first-setup. It is not defined in the file of the same
>> name installed as part of LMTX. Another, more significant difference,
>> is loading modules.)
>
> mkiv works with luatex, lmtx needs luametatex
>
> currently the functionality is mostly the same but further development
> happens in lmtx
>
> so, if mkiv works for you, just keep using it .. you can try your
> document with lmtx and normally that should work ok
>
> there is a distinction between
>
> - core functionality (seldom changes)
> - tricky things (migh tbe done better in lmtx)
> - more radical new things hard to do in regular tex (will be in lmtx
> only)
>
> the luametatex engine is more advanced than luatex (which we cannot
> change any more in fundamental ways as it's also used outside context)
> but with luametatex we can do (maybe) crazy things; the luametatex
> enfine has all kind of improvements in the rendening, adds
> functionality that makes implementations somewhat cleaner, is faster
> and uses less memory, redesigns/organizes some internals (e.g. get rid
> of the sometimes fuzzy accumulated engine mix), adds more interfaces
> in lua, is self contained, etc ... see presentation(s) last ctx meeting.
>
> currently i'm applying some of the more drastic new thing: more
> advance macro argument parsing options, several levels of (macro)
> protection, etc which actually might lead to issues (simple to deal
> with as most are interface related, not functionality)
>
> so ... you can use mkiv and/or snapshot the current lmtx and/or try
> the latest greatest when it showsup
>
> Hans
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
> Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
> tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hans,
Let me rephrase the question.
With the following example:
\starttext
\contextkind
\stoptext
The standalone installation returns a document containing "beta" and
context --luatex with the LMTX installation complains of an undefined
control sequence.
The file context.mkiv differs between the two installations.
If the two are expected to differ, I am asking which is the reliable
version.
You had stated in an earlier email that the --luatex option provided to
an LMTX installation will produce an MkIV result, but that does not seem
to still be the case.
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* Re: Which version of MkIV should we use?
2020-10-26 12:05 ` Rik Kabel
@ 2020-10-28 13:49 ` Rik Kabel
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From: Rik Kabel @ 2020-10-28 13:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Hans Hagen, mailing list for ConTeXt users
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On 10/26/2020 08:05, Rik Kabel wrote:
> Hans,
>
> Let me rephrase the question.
>
> With the following example:
>
> \starttext
>
> \contextkind
>
> \stoptext
>
> The standalone installation returns a document containing "beta" and
> context --luatex with the LMTX installation complains of an undefined
> control sequence.
>
> The file context.mkiv differs between the two installations.
>
> If the two are expected to differ, I am asking which is the reliable
> version.
>
> You had stated in an earlier email that the --luatex option provided
> to an LMTX installation will produce an MkIV result, but that does not
> seem to still be the case.
>
My apologies to Hans and the list. My MkIV installation reverted to the
2020-01-30 release at some point in late September or early October. I
have corrected that and now see no differences other than version
strings in the source directory.
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