extended ascii characters

extended ascii characters

[Gonçalo Morais]

I would like to know how I may use extended ascii characters in context, for 
example character number 167. 

Thanks in advance 

Gonçalo
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Re: extended ascii characters

[Pawel Jackowski na Onet]

Hi all!


> I would like to know how I may use extended ascii characters in context,
for
> example character number 167.

I'm sure Hans has made a lot of extensions for ,,strange'' character
support. But also plain TeX offers \char167 instruction, which returns
character 167 according to given font encoding. Is that what You looking
for?

Regards, Pawe/l

Re: extended ascii characters

[Gonçalo Morais]

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Thanks for your help... 

I am aware of \char167 isntruction but in the next example nothing seems to 
happen!! 

Gonçalo 


Pawel Jackowski na Onet writes: 

> Hi all! 
> 
> 
>> I would like to know how I may use extended ascii characters in context,
> for
>> example character number 167.
> 
> I'm sure Hans has made a lot of extensions for ,,strange'' character
> support. But also plain TeX offers \char167 instruction, which returns
> character 167 according to given font encoding. Is that what You looking
> for? 
> 
> Regards, Pawe/l 
> 
> 
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Re: extended ascii characters

[Patrick Gundlach]

"Gonçalo Morais" <gmorais@deea.isel.ipl.pt> writes:

> Thanks for your help... I am aware of \char167 isntruction but in the
> next example nothing seems to happen!! 

It surely depends on the fonts you use. Default is cmr, which has, as
far as I know, only 7bit encoding. So \char167 will lead to nothing.
Switch to another font.

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Re: Re: extended ascii characters

[Pawel Jackowski na Onet]

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>>"Gonçalo Morais" <gmorais@deea.isel.ipl.pt> writes:
>> Thanks for your help... I am aware of \char167 isntruction but in the
>> next example nothing seems to happen!!

>It surely depends on the fonts you use. Default is cmr, which has, as
>far as I know, only 7bit encoding. So \char167 will lead to nothing.
>Switch to another font.

>Patrick

Attached file contains all characters available in cmr10. Indeed, there is
no character coded 167.

Regards, Pawe/l


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Re: Re: extended ascii characters

[Adam Lindsay]

Gonçalo,

"Extended ASCII" is relatively uninformative without some information on
which encoding you're actually using (ASCII is normative from 0-127).
I'll guess you mean '§' (Section mark), which, judging from regi-win and
regi-il1, is my guess for the character you mean. (On the mac, it's 'ß'
or the eszett, which is less likely judging from your email address.)

ConTeXt makes this easy: just use the macro \sectionmark .

If the original document uses an "extended ascii" encoding for characters
like this, you might find it easier to use this at the beginning of your
document:
\enableregime[il1]  %    ...or...
\enableregime[windows] % as appropriate.

Patrick is very right, and alludes to a (potentially) confusing topic,
with font encodings and input regimes. They're actually a very nice,
powerful aspect of ConTeXt, where you enter text using your most familiar
method, and don't have to worry where each glyph is located on a day-to-
day basis.

Hope that's some help...
adam

Gonçalo Morais said this at Sat, 3 Jan 2004 11:59:21 +0000:

>Thanks for your help...
>
>I am aware of \char167 isntruction but in the next example nothing seems to
>happen!!
>
>Gonçalo
>
>
>Pawel Jackowski na Onet writes:
>
>> Hi all!
>>
>>
>>> I would like to know how I may use extended ascii characters in context,
>> for
>>> example character number 167.
>>
>> I'm sure Hans has made a lot of extensions for ,,strange'' character
>> support. But also plain TeX offers \char167 instruction, which returns
>> character 167 according to given font encoding. Is that what You looking
>> for?
>>
>> Regards, Pawe/l
>>
>>
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Re: Re: extended ascii characters

[Peter Münster]

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004, Adam Lindsay wrote:

> like this, you might find it easier to use this at the beginning of your
> document:
> \enableregime[il1]  %    ...or...
> \enableregime[windows] % as appropriate.

Hello,
since I didn't find any documentation about this command, here 2 questions:

* What should I do to use the latin9 encoding?
I copied regi-il1.tex with the appropriate changes to regi-il9.tex but it
does not work. Anyway: when I get a working il9-file in my private ConTeXt
directory, how should I name it?

* How do you get hyphenation with accented characters?
In LaTeX I used to switch to the EC fonts by issuing \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
I tried the following, but it didn't work:
\fr
\useencoding[ec]
\enableregime[il1]
\starttext
évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution
évolution évolution

evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution
evolution evolution
\stoptext

Thanks in advance for any help!

Happy new year, Peter

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Re: Re: extended ascii characters

[Adam Lindsay]

Peter Münster said this at Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:09:38 +0100:

>* What should I do to use the latin9 encoding?
>I copied regi-il1.tex with the appropriate changes to regi-il9.tex but it
>does not work. Anyway: when I get a working il9-file in my private ConTeXt
>directory, how should I name it?

Peter, off the top of my head, I think you would do:
\input regi-il9     % read the file in
\useregime [il9]    % make sure the regime is loaded
\enableregime [il9] % activate it.

I'm pretty clueless about hyphenation, though.

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Re: Re: extended ascii characters

[Peter Münster]

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, Adam Lindsay wrote:

> Peter Münster said this at Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:09:38 +0100:
>
> >* What should I do to use the latin9 encoding?
> >I copied regi-il1.tex with the appropriate changes to regi-il9.tex but it
> >does not work. Anyway: when I get a working il9-file in my private ConTeXt
> >directory, how should I name it?
>
> Peter, off the top of my head, I think you would do:
> \input regi-il9     % read the file in
> \useregime [il9]    % make sure the regime is loaded
> \enableregime [il9] % activate it.

Thanks, my mistake was not to use the \useregime command.

> I'm pretty clueless about hyphenation, though.

Oh, too bad... :(
I'll ask this question perhaps another day, if I don't get it.

Cheers, Peter

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Re: Re: extended ascii characters

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Dienstag, 06.01.04, um 08:26 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Peter 
Münster:
>> I'm pretty clueless about hyphenation, though.
> Oh, too bad... :(
> I'll ask this question perhaps another day, if I don't get it.

For correct hyphenation and some other details you need to declare your 
language:
\mainlanguage[fr] or \language[fr]

HTH

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Re: hyphenation (was: Re: extended ascii characters)

[Peter Münster]

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> For correct hyphenation and some other details you need to declare your
> language:
> \mainlanguage[fr] or \language[fr]

The original posted example began with \fr, which should be the same as
\language[fr].

Here again the example, where you can see the problem.

\fr
\useencoding[ec]
\enableregime[il1]
\starttext
évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution
évolution évolution

evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution
evolution evolution
\stoptext

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Re: hyphenation

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Dienstag, 06.01.04, um 17:58 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Peter 
Münster:
> The original posted example began with \fr, which should be the same as
> \language[fr].

right.

> Here again the example, where you can see the problem.

Here's no problem - I get hyphenation.

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Re: hyphenation

[Peter Münster]

On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> > Here again the example, where you can see the problem.
>
> Here's no problem - I get hyphenation.

Ok, then there must be a problem with my installation. I only get "evolution"
hyphenated, but not "évolution"... :(
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Re: hyphenation: latin modern fonts

[Helmut Schwertner]

Hello Peter,

Peter Münster schrieb:
>>>Here again the example, where you can see the problem.
>>Here's no problem - I get hyphenation.

> Ok, then there must be a problem with my installation. I only get "evolution"
> hyphenated, but not "évolution"... :(
> Cheers, Peter
> 

take the  latin modern fonts. This example works with winxp and miktex:

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\language[fr]
% \useencoding[ec]
\enableregime[il1]

% latin modern fonts
\usetypescript [all] [latin-modern] [texnansi]
\setupbodyfont[reset]
\setupbodyfont[cmr]

\starttext

évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution évolution
évolution évolution

evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution evolution
evolution evolution

\stoptext

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Re: hyphenation: latin modern fonts

[Peter Münster]

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Helmut Schwertner wrote:

> Peter Münster schrieb:

> >>>Here again the example, where you can see the problem.

> >>Here's no problem - I get hyphenation.

> > Ok, then there must be a problem with my installation. I only get "evolution"
> > hyphenated, but not "évolution"... :(

> take the  latin modern fonts. This example works with winxp and miktex:

Thanks for this hint. But as I read in newsgroup d.c.t.t aren't there still
bugs with the kerning etc?

Strange: I don't have Latin Modern installed, but your example file
compiled here with texexec without any error nor warning message...

Under LaTeX I used the EC fonts. Will it be difficult to get them work with
ConTeXt?

So, there is no problem with my installation?

Thanks for your help, Peter

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Re: hyphenation: latin modern fonts

[Willi Egger]

Peter Münster wrote:

>On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Helmut Schwertner wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Peter Münster schrieb:
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>>>>Here again the example, where you can see the problem.
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>
>  
>
>>>>Here's no problem - I get hyphenation.
>>>>        
>>>>
>
>  
>
>>>Ok, then there must be a problem with my installation. I only get "evolution"
>>>hyphenated, but not "évolution"... :(
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>take the  latin modern fonts. This example works with winxp and miktex:
>>    
>>
>
>Thanks for this hint. But as I read in newsgroup d.c.t.t aren't there still
>bugs with the kerning etc?
>
>Strange: I don't have Latin Modern installed, but your example file
>compiled here with texexec without any error nor warning message...
>
>Under LaTeX I used the EC fonts. Will it be difficult to get them work with
>ConTeXt?
>
>So, there is no problem with my installation?
>
>Thanks for your help, Peter
>
>  
>
Hi Peter,

Provided that you use a recent CONTEXT, everything should be there. Get 
the fonts from CTAN or from the TEXlive Collection (directory is outside 
the texmf-tree).
Within CONTEXT:

\usetypescript[modern][texnansi] %or whatever you like
\setupbodyfont[modern,rms,11pt]

I stand corrected, but because of the matching mechanism, you will get 
CMR if the Latin Modern fonts are not available - Check the pdf file's 
font properties

Kind regards

Willi

Re: hyphenation: latin modern fonts

[Peter Münster]

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Willi Egger wrote:

> Provided that you use a recent CONTEXT, everything should be there. Get
> the fonts from CTAN or from the TEXlive Collection (directory is outside
> the texmf-tree).
> Within CONTEXT:
>
> \usetypescript[modern][texnansi] %or whatever you like
> \setupbodyfont[modern,rms,11pt]

Ok, I installed the newest ConTeXt and the lm fonts. Hyphenation is good
now. The only thing I had to do, was adding lm.map to the files config.ps,
xdvi.cfg and pdftex.cfg.
Thanks, Peter

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Re: extended ascii characters

[Hans Hagen]

At 01:29 03/01/2004, you wrote:

>I would like to know how I may use extended ascii characters in context, 
>for example character number 167.
>Thanks in advance

normally this is handled by font encoding and input regimes

if you want to directly access a char, how about:

\definesymbol[whatever][\getglyph{...}{167}]

see symb-*.tex for examples

Hans

Re: extended ascii characters

[Gonçalo Morais]

I will, thank you all for your support. 

Gonçalo 

Hans Hagen writes: 

> At 01:29 03/01/2004, you wrote: 
> 
>> I would like to know how I may use extended ascii characters in context, 
>> for example character number 167.
>> Thanks in advance
> 
> normally this is handled by font encoding and input regimes 
> 
> if you want to directly access a char, how about: 
> 
> \definesymbol[whatever][\getglyph{...}{167}] 
> 
> see symb-*.tex for examples 
> 
> Hans 
> 
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