* Questions about \starttext
@ 2018-03-20 11:43 Tomas Hala
2018-04-02 18:39 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Tomas Hala @ 2018-03-20 11:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mailing list ConTeXt
Hi all,
doing some tests I discovered two interesting facts.
The first is that commands \starttext and \stoptext do not behave as a group.
Minimal example (tested on TL2015, TL2016, TL2017, current CTX from the Garden):
\starttext
text
\starttext
\bf text
\stoptext
text % this text is in bold, too.
\stoptext
Is this the expected behaviour, or not?
The second interesting thing is that the unbalanced document is compiled without protests:
Minimal example #1 (tested on TL2015, TL2016, TL2017, current CTX from the Garden):
\starttext
text % in this case, the "text" is shipped out
Minimal example #2 (tested on TL2015, TL2016, TL2017, current CTX from the Garden):
text % in this case, the "text" is not shipped out
\stoptext
If this is ok, it does not correspond to our garden wiki
(http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/starttext):
"The first command takes care of a number of initializations, and the last
command tells TEX that processing can stop. When this command is left out
TEX will display a * (a star) on the command line at the end of the job. TEX
will expect a command, for example \end."
Wishes,
Tomáš
Tomáš Hála
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2018-03-20 11:43 Questions about \starttext Tomas Hala
@ 2018-04-02 18:39 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2018-04-02 22:02 ` John Culleton
2018-04-02 22:03 ` John Culleton
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2018-04-02 18:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
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> Tomas Hala <mailto:tomas.hala@mendelu.cz>
> 20. März 2018 um 12:43
> Hi all,
>
> doing some tests I discovered two interesting facts.
>
> The first is that commands \starttext and \stoptext do not behave as a
> group.
>
> Minimal example (tested on TL2015, TL2016, TL2017, current CTX from
> the Garden):
>
> \starttext
> text
> \starttext
> \bf text
> \stoptext
> text % this text is in bold, too.
> \stoptext
>
> Is this the expected behaviour, or not?
Opening a group with \starttext makes no sense because there is nothing
after \stoptext.
The possibility to nest \starttext is necessary when you \startproduct
etc. where components
can be be documents on its own and this means \startcomponent includes
\starttext in its
definition.
> The second interesting thing is that the unbalanced document is
> compiled without protests:
>
> Minimal example #1 (tested on TL2015, TL2016, TL2017, current CTX from
> the Garden):
>
> \starttext
> text % in this case, the "text" is shipped out
Take a look at the command line when you process a file and you should
see something like this:
mtx-context | run 1: luatex --fmt="[...]/cont-en" --jobname="test"
[...] --c:input="./test.tex" [...] "cont-yes.mkiv"
As you can see the luatex engine processes the file cont-yes.mkiv and
not your document
which put as argument to context. Your document is just read by
cont-yes.mkiv and at the
end of the document ConTeXt inserts an extra \stoptext which is ignored
when your document
is valid (equal number of \starttext and \stoptext).
> Minimal example #2 (tested on TL2015, TL2016, TL2017, current CTX from
> the Garden):
>
> text % in this case, the "text" is not shipped out
> \stoptext
The reason why no text appears is that ConTeXt doesn’t load the default
fonts
untill \starttext. The reason for this is to is a gain in speed and you
save resources.
You can test this by adding \setupbodyfont[modern] at the begin of your
example.
Wolfgang
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* Re: Questions about \starttext
2018-04-02 18:39 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2018-04-02 22:02 ` John Culleton
2018-04-03 7:12 ` Hans Hagen
2018-04-02 22:03 ` John Culleton
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From: John Culleton @ 2018-04-02 22:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
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A reasonable approach to a Context file includes preliminary information before the first printed page. My basic master file looks like this :
\input variables.tex\relax
\input layout.tex\relax
\input macros.tex\relax
\input fonts.tex\relax
\starttext\relax
%\showlayout
\startfrontmatter
\input half.tex\relax
\startstandardmakeup
\null
\stopstandardmakeup
\input title.tex\relax
\input copy.tex\relax
\input ded.tex\relax
\input contents.tex\relax
\input preface.tex\relax
%\startstandardmakeup \relax
%\null \relax
%\stopstandardmakeup \relax
\stopfrontmatter
\startbodymatter
\input body3.tex\relax
\stopbodymatter\relax
\startbackmatter\relax
\input bib.tex\relax
\input notes.tex
\input index.tex
\stopbackmatter
\stoptext\relax
By loading my usual macros in the macros file, standard items like author's name in a variables file and so on I save much time,
typing and errors.
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From: "Wolfgang Schuster" <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 2:41 PM
To: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Questions about \starttext
Tomas Hala
20. März 2018 um 12:43
Hi all,
doing some tests I discovered two interesting facts.
The first is that commands \starttext and \stoptext do not behave as a group.
Minimal example (tested on TL2015, TL2016, TL2017, current CTX from the Garden):
\starttext
text
\starttext
\bf text
\stoptext
text % this text is in bold, too.
\stoptext
Is this the expected behaviour, or not?
Opening a group with \starttext makes no sense because there is nothing after \stoptext.
The possibility to nest \starttext is necessary when you \startproduct etc. where components
can be be documents on its own and this means \startcomponent includes \starttext in its
definition.
The second interesting thing is that the unbalanced document is compiled without protests:
Minimal example #1 (tested on TL2015, TL2016, TL2017, current CTX from the Garden):
\starttext
text % in this case, the "text" is shipped out
Take a look at the command line when you process a file and you should see something like this:
mtx-context | run 1: luatex --fmt="[...]/cont-en" --jobname="test" [...] --c:input="./test.tex" [...] "cont-yes.mkiv"
As you can see the luatex engine processes the file cont-yes.mkiv and not your document
which put as argument to context. Your document is just read by cont-yes.mkiv and at the
end of the document ConTeXt inserts an extra \stoptext which is ignored when your document
is valid (equal number of \starttext and \stoptext).
Minimal example #2 (tested on TL2015, TL2016, TL2017, current CTX from the Garden):
text % in this case, the "text" is not shipped out
\stoptext
The reason why no text appears is that ConTeXt doesn't load the default fonts
untill \starttext. The reason for this is to is a gain in speed and you save resources.
You can test this by adding \setupbodyfont[modern] at the begin of your example.
Wolfgang
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2018-04-02 22:02 ` John Culleton
@ 2018-04-03 7:12 ` Hans Hagen
2018-04-15 8:54 ` Tomas Hala
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-04-03 7:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 4/3/2018 12:02 AM, John Culleton wrote:
> A reasonable approach to a Context file includes preliminary information
> before the first printed page. My basic master file looks like this :
>
> ...
in the distribution there are a lot of manuals of which the setup
demonstrates ways to organize ... one probably not known to all is
\startdocument[settings] ... \stopdocument
Hans
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2018-04-03 7:12 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2018-04-15 8:54 ` Tomas Hala
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From: Tomas Hala @ 2018-04-15 8:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Tue, Apr 03, 2018 ve 09:12:31AM +0200 Hans Hagen napsal(a):
# On 4/3/2018 12:02 AM, John Culleton wrote:
# >A reasonable approach to a Context file includes preliminary
# >information before the first printed page. My basic master file
# >looks like this :
# >
# > ...
#
# in the distribution there are a lot of manuals of which the setup
# demonstrates ways to organize ... one probably not known to all is
#
# \startdocument[settings] ... \stopdocument
ok, where can I find it?
The thing I am a bit confused and which was the main reason of my question,
is why the compiler does not report the unbalanced pair of start/stop in
this case.
Tomáš
# Hans
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* Re: Questions about \starttext
2018-04-02 18:39 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2018-04-02 22:02 ` John Culleton
@ 2018-04-02 22:03 ` John Culleton
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From: John Culleton @ 2018-04-02 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
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From: "Wolfgang Schuster" <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 2, 2018 2:41 PM
To: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Questions about \starttext
Tomas Hala
20. März 2018 um 12:43
Hi all,
doing some tests I discovered two interesting facts.
The first is that commands \starttext and \stoptext do not behave as a group.
Minimal example (tested on TL2015, TL2016, TL2017, current CTX from the Garden):
\starttext
text
\starttext
\bf text
\stoptext
text % this text is in bold, too.
\stoptext
Is this the expected behaviour, or not?
Opening a group with \starttext makes no sense because there is nothing after \stoptext.
The possibility to nest \starttext is necessary when you \startproduct etc. where components
can be be documents on its own and this means \startcomponent includes \starttext in its
definition.
The second interesting thing is that the unbalanced document is compiled without protests:
Minimal example #1 (tested on TL2015, TL2016, TL2017, current CTX from the Garden):
\starttext
text % in this case, the "text" is shipped out
Take a look at the command line when you process a file and you should see something like this:
mtx-context | run 1: luatex --fmt="[...]/cont-en" --jobname="test" [...] --c:input="./test.tex" [...] "cont-yes.mkiv"
As you can see the luatex engine processes the file cont-yes.mkiv and not your document
which put as argument to context. Your document is just read by cont-yes.mkiv and at the
end of the document ConTeXt inserts an extra \stoptext which is ignored when your document
is valid (equal number of \starttext and \stoptext).
Minimal example #2 (tested on TL2015, TL2016, TL2017, current CTX from the Garden):
text % in this case, the "text" is not shipped out
\stoptext
The reason why no text appears is that ConTeXt doesn't load the default fonts
untill \starttext. The reason for this is to is a gain in speed and you save resources.
You can test this by adding \setupbodyfont[modern] at the begin of your example.
Wolfgang
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