From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/112754 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: no looseness in LMTX? 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I tried different examples (e.g. the attached file) and can=E2=80=99t = reproduce the problem, there MkIV and LMTX always behave the same. So it must be something in my settings. What could cause the difference?=20 I tried English and German and different settings of alignment and = tolerance. Might it be font dependent? 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