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* problem with a new installation of LMTX
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@ 2019-12-07 14:11 ` Jeong Dal
  2019-12-07 15:16   ` Hans Hagen
  2019-12-07 15:44   ` Otared Kavian
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Jeong Dal @ 2019-12-07 14:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

I read some reports about the problems of a new installation of LMTX.
Today, I did fresh install and also have a problem in compilation.

I did the following:

0. Open the terminal
1. Remove all files in the folder “ConTeXtLMTX”
2. Download install files from PRAGMA ADE.
3. run “install.sh”(at first, it won’t run because of the MacOS Catalina. I have to allow the running in the preference.)
4. it installs the folder “tex” and some files  but context-cache is empty. And, it couldn’t compile test.tex

I copied the log during the installation for checking.

Thank you.
Best regards,
Dalyoung

%%%%%%%%
ConTeXtLMTX % sh ./install.sh
mtxrun          | forcing cache reload
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/texmf/web2c' from specification 'home:texmf/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/texmf-local/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-local/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/texmf-context/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-context/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/texmf-dist/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-dist/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/texmf/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for fallback 'contextcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/texmf/web2c' from specification 'home:texmf/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for fallback 'contextcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/texmf-local/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-local/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for fallback 'contextcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/texmf-context/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-context/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for fallback 'contextcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/texmf-dist/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-dist/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for fallback 'contextcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/texmf/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving |
resolvers       | resolving | warning: no lua configuration files found
resolvers       | resolving | no texmf paths are defined (using TEXMF)
resolvers       | resolving |
mtxrun          | the resolver databases are not present or outdated
mtx-install     | server   : lmtx.pragma-ade.com
mtx-install     | instance : install-lmtx
mtx-install     | platform : osx-64
mtx-install     | system   : unix
mtx-install     | fetching 'http://lmtx.pragma-ade.com/install-lmtx//texmf.zip'
mtx-install     | unzipping 'texmf.zip'
159 files of 1598 done,    3290479 bytes, 0.043 seconds
318 files of 1598 done,   21710364 bytes, 0.158 seconds
477 files of 1598 done,   38859916 bytes, 0.251 seconds
636 files of 1598 done,   39457728 bytes, 0.275 seconds
795 files of 1598 done,   39931784 bytes, 0.298 seconds
954 files of 1598 done,   40812872 bytes, 0.323 seconds
1113 files of 1598 done,   48279500 bytes, 0.371 seconds
1272 files of 1598 done,   72162122 bytes, 0.515 seconds
1431 files of 1598 done,   82495084 bytes, 0.605 seconds
1590 files of 1598 done,   83618619 bytes, 0.629 seconds
1598 files of 1598 done,   83681430 bytes, 0.631 seconds
mtx-install     | fetching 'http://lmtx.pragma-ade.com/install-lmtx//texmf-context.zip'
mtx-install     | unzipping 'texmf-context.zip'
 26 files of  265 done,    4130838 bytes, 0.020 seconds
 52 files of  265 done,    4639798 bytes, 0.026 seconds
 78 files of  265 done,    5091021 bytes, 0.032 seconds
104 files of  265 done,    5652061 bytes, 0.039 seconds
130 files of  265 done,    5930475 bytes, 0.045 seconds
156 files of  265 done,    5948715 bytes, 0.049 seconds
182 files of  265 done,    6166185 bytes, 0.054 seconds
208 files of  265 done,    6380942 bytes, 0.059 seconds
234 files of  265 done,    9347747 bytes, 0.074 seconds
260 files of  265 done,   32131852 bytes, 0.164 seconds
265 files of  265 done,   55758323 bytes, 0.281 seconds
mtx-install     | installing tex/texmf-osx-64, 5 files
mtx-install     | skipping tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/context
mtx-install     | new      :  31 % :     1315 : tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/context.lua
mtx-install     | new      :  62 % :  2805872 : tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/luametatex
mtx-install     | skipping tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun
mtx-install     | new      : 100 % :   696620 : tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun.lua
mtx-install     | current  : %S
mtx-install     | target   : true
mtx-install     | removing : mtxrun
mtx-install     | removing : context
mtx-install     | linked   : mtxrun
mtx-install     | linked   : context
mtx-install     | xbit set : /Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/luametatex
mtx-install     | xbit set : /Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun
mtx-install     | xbit set : /Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/context
mtx-install     | running: /Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --generate
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTOLOC' set to '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin'
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTODIR' set to '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64'
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTOPARENT' set to '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex'
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXMFCNF' set to ''
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXMF' set to ''
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXOS' set to 'ConTeXtLMTX'
resolvers       | resolving |
resolvers       | resolving | using configuration specification 'home:texmf/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf-local/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf-context/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf-dist/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving |
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/texmf/web2c' from specification 'home:texmf/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-local/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-local/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-context/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-context/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-dist/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-dist/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | found regular configuration file '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua'
resolvers       | resolving |
resolvers       | resolving | skipping configuration file 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua' (no valid format)
resolvers       | resolving | no texmf paths are defined (using TEXMF)
resolvers       | resolving |
mtxrun          |
mtxrun          | elapsed lua time: 0.018 seconds

mtx-install     | running: /Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --script cache --erase
mtxrun          | forcing cache reload
resolvers       | resolving | configuration files already identified
resolvers       | resolving | skipping configuration file 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua' (no valid format)
resolvers       | resolving | no texmf paths are defined (using TEXMF)
resolvers       | resolving |
mtxrun          | the resolver databases are not present or outdated
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-cache.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-cache.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-caches.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-caches.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-cache.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-t-cache.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-t-cache.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-t-caches.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-t-caches.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-t-cache.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'cache.lua' using hash 'lua::cache.lua'
mtxrun          | unknown script 'cache.lua' or 'mtx-cache.lua'

mtx-install     | running: /Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --generate
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTOLOC' set to '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin'
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTODIR' set to '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64'
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTOPARENT' set to '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex'
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXMFCNF' set to ''
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXMF' set to ''
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXOS' set to 'ConTeXtLMTX'
resolvers       | resolving |
resolvers       | resolving | using configuration specification 'home:texmf/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf-local/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf-context/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf-dist/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving |
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/texmf/web2c' from specification 'home:texmf/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-local/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-local/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-context/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-context/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-dist/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-dist/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | found regular configuration file '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua'
resolvers       | resolving |
resolvers       | resolving | skipping configuration file 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua' (no valid format)
resolvers       | resolving | no texmf paths are defined (using TEXMF)
resolvers       | resolving |
mtxrun          |
mtxrun          | elapsed lua time: 0.018 seconds

mtx-install     | running: /Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/context --make en
mtxrun          | forcing cache reload
resolvers       | resolving | configuration files already identified
resolvers       | resolving | skipping configuration file 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua' (no valid format)
resolvers       | resolving | no texmf paths are defined (using TEXMF)
resolvers       | resolving |
mtxrun          | the resolver databases are not present or outdated
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-context.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-context.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-contexts.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-contexts.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-context.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-t-mtx-context.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-t-mtx-context.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-t-mtx-contexts.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-t-mtx-contexts.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-t-mtx-context.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-context.lua'
mtxrun          | unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx-context.lua'

mtx-install     | 
mtx-install     | tex/texmf            :    0 files with         0 bytes installed
mtx-install     | tex/texmf-context    :    0 files with         0 bytes installed
mtx-install     | tex/texmf-osx-64     :    5 files with   9115551 bytes installed
mtx-install     | 
mtx-install     | ConTeXt LMTX with LuaMetaTeX is still experimental and when you get a crash this
mtx-install     | can be due to a mismatch between Lua bytecode and the engine. In that case you can
mtx-install     | try the following:
mtx-install     | 
mtx-install     |   - wipe the texmf-cache directory
mtx-install     |   - run: mtxrun --generate
mtx-install     |   - run: context --make
mtx-install     | 
mtx-install     | When that doesn't solve the problem, ask on the mailing list (ntg-context@ntg.nl).
mtx-install     | 
mtx-install     | update, done

cp: /Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua/mtxrun.lua: No such file or directory
cp: /Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua/mtx-install.lua: No such file or directory

If you want to run ConTeXt everywhere, you need to adapt the path, like:

 /Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/bin:/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/Library/TeX/texbin:/opt/X11/bin

If you run from an editor you can specify the full path to mtxrun:

 /Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf ...

The following settings were used:

 server   : lmtx.contextgarden.net,lmtx.pragma-ade.com,lmtx.pragma-ade.nl
 instance : install-lmtx
 extras   : 
 ownpath  : /Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX
 platform : osx-64
%%%%%%
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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-07 14:11 ` problem with a new installation of LMTX Jeong Dal
@ 2019-12-07 15:16   ` Hans Hagen
  2019-12-07 23:20     ` Jeong Dal
  2019-12-07 15:44   ` Otared Kavian
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2019-12-07 15:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Jeong Dal

On 12/7/2019 3:11 PM, Jeong Dal wrote:
> I read some reports about the problems of a new installation of LMTX.
> Today, I did fresh install and also have a problem in compilation.
> 
> I did the following:
> 
> 0. Open the terminal
> 1. Remove all files in the folder “ConTeXtLMTX”
> 2. Download install files from PRAGMA ADE.
> 3. run “install.sh”(at first, it won’t run because of the MacOS Catalina. I have to allow the running in the preference.)
> 4. it installs the folder “tex” and some files  but context-cache is empty. And, it couldn’t compile test.tex
> 
> I copied the log during the installation for checking.
Can you run mtxrun and context? And make manually?

Hans


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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-07 14:11 ` problem with a new installation of LMTX Jeong Dal
  2019-12-07 15:16   ` Hans Hagen
@ 2019-12-07 15:44   ` Otared Kavian
  2019-12-07 19:39     ` Hans Hagen
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Otared Kavian @ 2019-12-07 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users

Hi Dalyoung,

May be you could do the following steps (I recently had some issues too with installing the new beta, and these are what I did):

• In Terminal type:

	which luametatex

in order to see whether 
	
	/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/luametatex

is present or not. 

• If not the download has not been complete.

• If yes, in Terminal type:

	luametatex --version

and see whether it says among other things:

	Functionality : level 20191206

If not, there might be an issue with the files you have downloaded.

• If yes, in the folder 
	
	context-osx-64/tex

remove the folder texmf-cache

and then in the Terminal run:

	mtxrun --generate

In principle the folder texmf-cache is present again.

• In the Terminal window type:
	
	context --make --all

If everything goes nicely, you should be able to see LuaMetaTeX functionning.

Best regards: OK

> On 7 Dec 2019, at 15:11, Jeong Dal <haksan@me.com> wrote:
> 
> I read some reports about the problems of a new installation of LMTX.
> Today, I did fresh install and also have a problem in compilation.
> 
> I did the following:
> 
> 0. Open the terminal
> 1. Remove all files in the folder “ConTeXtLMTX”
> 2. Download install files from PRAGMA ADE.
> 3. run “install.sh”(at first, it won’t run because of the MacOS Catalina. I have to allow the running in the preference.)
> 4. it installs the folder “tex” and some files  but context-cache is empty. And, it couldn’t compile test.tex
> 
> I copied the log during the installation for checking.
> 
> Thank you.
> Best regards,
> Dalyoung
> […]
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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-07 15:44   ` Otared Kavian
@ 2019-12-07 19:39     ` Hans Hagen
  2019-12-07 21:01       ` Otared Kavian
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2019-12-07 19:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Otared Kavian

Hi Otared,

> Hi Dalyoung,
> 
> May be you could do the following steps (I recently had some issues too with installing the new beta, and these are what I did):

Can you add this to the wiki someplace?

> • In Terminal type:
> 
> 	which luametatex
> 
> in order to see whether
> 	
> 	/context-osx-64/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin/luametatex
> 
> is present or not.
> 
> • If not the download has not been complete.
> 
> • If yes, in Terminal type:
> 
> 	luametatex --version
> 
> and see whether it says among other things:
> 
> 	Functionality : level 20191206
> 
> If not, there might be an issue with the files you have downloaded.
> 
> • If yes, in the folder
> 	
> 	context-osx-64/tex
> 
> remove the folder texmf-cache
> 
> and then in the Terminal run:
> 
> 	mtxrun --generate
> 
> In principle the folder texmf-cache is present again.
> 
> • In the Terminal window type:
> 	
> 	context --make --all
> 
> If everything goes nicely, you should be able to see LuaMetaTeX functionning.
> 
> Best regards: OK
> 
>> On 7 Dec 2019, at 15:11, Jeong Dal <haksan@me.com> wrote:
>>
>> I read some reports about the problems of a new installation of LMTX.
>> Today, I did fresh install and also have a problem in compilation.
>>
>> I did the following:
>>
>> 0. Open the terminal
>> 1. Remove all files in the folder “ConTeXtLMTX”
>> 2. Download install files from PRAGMA ADE.
>> 3. run “install.sh”(at first, it won’t run because of the MacOS Catalina. I have to allow the running in the preference.)
>> 4. it installs the folder “tex” and some files  but context-cache is empty. And, it couldn’t compile test.tex
>>
>> I copied the log during the installation for checking.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Best regards,
>> Dalyoung
>> […]
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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-07 19:39     ` Hans Hagen
@ 2019-12-07 21:01       ` Otared Kavian
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Otared Kavian @ 2019-12-07 21:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Hans Hagen, mailing list for ConTeXt users


> On 7 Dec 2019, at 20:39, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> […]
> Can you add this to the wiki someplace?

Done:
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/installing_luametatex

Best regards: OK

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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-07 15:16   ` Hans Hagen
@ 2019-12-07 23:20     ` Jeong Dal
  2019-12-07 23:35       ` Hans Hagen
  2019-12-08  7:08       ` Otared Kavian
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Jeong Dal @ 2019-12-07 23:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Hans Hagen; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users

Dear Hans, Otared,

Thank you for your concern.

The version of luametatex is 20191206.
I followed what Otared said, but texmf-cache is not created after mtxrun.

"context —make"  is running, but no format.

I checked folders after the installation.
Folders, texmf-cache, texmf-fonts, texmf-local, texmf-modules, texmf-project are empty.
texmf folder contains {fonts,metapost, tex,web2c}
texmf-context folder contains {colors,context,doc}
However, I couldn’t find base files, script files, etc.
Is it normal? Is it related with Catalina?

Have a nice weekend.

Best regards,

Dalyoung

For reference, here are log of "mtxrun —generate”
%%%%%%
MacBook ConTeXtLMTX % mtxrun --generate
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTOLOC' set to '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin'
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTODIR' set to '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64'
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTOPARENT' set to '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex'
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXMFCNF' set to ''
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXMF' set to ''
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXOS' set to 'texmf-osx-64'
resolvers       | resolving |
resolvers       | resolving | using configuration specification 'home:texmf/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf-local/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf-context/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf-dist/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving |
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/texmf/web2c' from specification 'home:texmf/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-local/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-local/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-context/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-context/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-dist/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-dist/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c'
resolvers       | resolving | found regular configuration file '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua'
resolvers       | resolving |
resolvers       | resolving | skipping configuration file 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua' (no valid format)
resolvers       | resolving | no texmf paths are defined (using TEXMF)
resolvers       | resolving |
mtxrun          |
mtxrun          | elapsed lua time: 0.032 seconds

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
-MacBook ConTeXtLMTX % context --make
mtxrun          | forcing cache reload
resolvers       | resolving | configuration files already identified
resolvers       | resolving | skipping configuration file 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua' (no valid format)
resolvers       | resolving | no texmf paths are defined (using TEXMF)
resolvers       | resolving |
mtxrun          | the resolver databases are not present or outdated
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'scripts'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-context.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-context.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'scripts'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-contexts.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-contexts.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-context.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'scripts'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-t-mtx-context.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-t-mtx-context.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'scripts'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-t-mtx-contexts.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-t-mtx-contexts.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-t-mtx-context.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-context.lua'
mtxrun          | unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx-context.lua'
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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-07 23:20     ` Jeong Dal
@ 2019-12-07 23:35       ` Hans Hagen
  2019-12-08 16:30         ` Alan Braslau
  2019-12-08 20:07         ` Mojca Miklavec
  2019-12-08  7:08       ` Otared Kavian
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2019-12-07 23:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jeong Dal; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users

On 12/8/2019 12:20 AM, Jeong Dal wrote:
> Dear Hans, Otared,
> 
> Thank you for your concern.
> 
> The version of luametatex is 20191206.
> I followed what Otared said, but texmf-cache is not created after mtxrun.
> 
> "context —make"  is running, but no format.
> 
> I checked folders after the installation.
> Folders, texmf-cache, texmf-fonts, texmf-local, texmf-modules, texmf-project are empty.
> texmf folder contains {fonts,metapost, tex,web2c}
> texmf-context folder contains {colors,context,doc}
> However, I couldn’t find base files, script files, etc.
> Is it normal? Is it related with Catalina?
I have no clue. Normally there is a check if directories can be accessed 
and written to, so where then do these files go to?

I fear that other mac users have to help (no new mac here). Maybe Mojca 
knows as she knows all there is to know.

Hans



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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-07 23:20     ` Jeong Dal
  2019-12-07 23:35       ` Hans Hagen
@ 2019-12-08  7:08       ` Otared Kavian
  2019-12-08  7:36         ` Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Otared Kavian @ 2019-12-08  7:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users

Hi Dalyoung,

I installed MacOS 10.15 Catalina on a partition of my Mac and tried to install LuaMetaTeX there. I did not succeed … 
Indeed I had to disable completely the Gatekeeper from the Terminal by issuing the command

	sudo spctl --master-disable

(which, one can re-enable again by saying sudo spctl --master-enable).
But the problem is that  after issuing the command

	sh install.sh

the three files mtx-install.lua, mtxrun.lua, mtxrun, which are in

	/context-osx-64/bin/

get overwritten and are modified for some unknown reasons: in particular the two lua files become complete garbage… while in MacOS 10.14 these files are unchanged.
So in fact the installation process cannot continue in MacOS 10.15, and even though the directories in 

	/context-osx-64/tex/

are created, the binaries and the formats are not there. I guess other people on the list may have installed LuaMetaTeX under MacOS 10.15 and they can help us understand what is going on. 

Later in the day I'll try to understand how to bypass the security assessments (and the overwrite of the above three files) of MacOS 10.15, and let you know if I find a solution.

Sorry for not being helpful at this point…

Best regards: Otared K.

> On 8 Dec 2019, at 00:20, Jeong Dal <haksan@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Hans, Otared,
> 
> Thank you for your concern.
> 
> The version of luametatex is 20191206.
> I followed what Otared said, but texmf-cache is not created after mtxrun.
> 
> "context —make"  is running, but no format.
> 
> I checked folders after the installation.
> Folders, texmf-cache, texmf-fonts, texmf-local, texmf-modules, texmf-project are empty.
> texmf folder contains {fonts,metapost, tex,web2c}
> texmf-context folder contains {colors,context,doc}
> However, I couldn’t find base files, script files, etc.
> Is it normal? Is it related with Catalina?
> 
> Have a nice weekend.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Dalyoung
> 
> For reference, here are log of "mtxrun —generate”
> %%%%%%
> MacBook ConTeXtLMTX % mtxrun --generate
> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTOLOC' set to '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin'
> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTODIR' set to '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64'
> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTOPARENT' set to '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex'
> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXMFCNF' set to ''
> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXMF' set to ''
> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXOS' set to 'texmf-osx-64'
> resolvers       | resolving |
> resolvers       | resolving | using configuration specification 'home:texmf/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf-local/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf-context/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf-dist/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c'
> resolvers       | resolving |
> resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/texmf/web2c' from specification 'home:texmf/web2c'
> resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-local/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-local/web2c'
> resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-context/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-context/web2c'
> resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-dist/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-dist/web2c'
> resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf/web2c' from specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c'
> resolvers       | resolving | found regular configuration file '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua'
> resolvers       | resolving |
> resolvers       | resolving | skipping configuration file 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua' (no valid format)
> resolvers       | resolving | no texmf paths are defined (using TEXMF)
> resolvers       | resolving |
> mtxrun          |
> mtxrun          | elapsed lua time: 0.032 seconds
> 
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> -MacBook ConTeXtLMTX % context --make
> mtxrun          | forcing cache reload
> resolvers       | resolving | configuration files already identified
> resolvers       | resolving | skipping configuration file 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua' (no valid format)
> resolvers       | resolving | no texmf paths are defined (using TEXMF)
> resolvers       | resolving |
> mtxrun          | the resolver databases are not present or outdated
> resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'scripts'
> resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-context.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-context.lua'
> resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'scripts'
> resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-contexts.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-contexts.lua'
> resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-context.lua'
> resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'scripts'
> resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-t-mtx-context.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-t-mtx-context.lua'
> resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'scripts'
> resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-t-mtx-contexts.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-t-mtx-contexts.lua'
> resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-t-mtx-context.lua'
> resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-context.lua'
> mtxrun          | unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx-context.lua'
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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-08  7:08       ` Otared Kavian
@ 2019-12-08  7:36         ` Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica
       [not found]           ` <dcf18d57-eeb1-41b8-28b0-1a9c518e4250@xs4all.nl>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica @ 2019-12-08  7:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

Hello Otared,

"... get overwritten and are modified for some unknown reasons: in
particular the two lua files become complete garbage…"

I found the same today under Gentoo Linux, and the same for the lua
files under (can't check which as I've deleted the install):

~/lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin


Best, Richard



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From: Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com>
Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] problem with a new installation of LMTX
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 08:08:11 +0100
Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11)

Hi Dalyoung,

I installed MacOS 10.15 Catalina on a partition of my Mac and tried to
install LuaMetaTeX there. I did not succeed … 
Indeed I had to disable completely the Gatekeeper from the Terminal by
issuing the command

	sudo spctl --master-disable

(which, one can re-enable again by saying sudo spctl --master-enable).
But the problem is that  after issuing the command

	sh install.sh

the three files mtx-install.lua, mtxrun.lua, mtxrun, which are in

	/context-osx-64/bin/

get overwritten and are modified for some unknown reasons: in
particular the two lua files become complete garbage… while in MacOS
10.14 these files are unchanged.
So in fact the installation process cannot continue in MacOS 10.15,
and even though the directories in 

	/context-osx-64/tex/

are created, the binaries and the formats are not there. I guess other
people on the list may have installed LuaMetaTeX under MacOS 10.15 and
they can help us understand what is going on. 

Later in the day I'll try to understand how to bypass the security
assessments (and the overwrite of the above three files) of MacOS
10.15, and let you know if I find a solution.

Sorry for not being helpful at this point…

Best regards: Otared K.

> On 8 Dec 2019, at 00:20, Jeong Dal <haksan@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Hans, Otared,
> 
> Thank you for your concern.
> 
> The version of luametatex is 20191206.
> I followed what Otared said, but texmf-cache is not created after
> mtxrun.
> 
> "context —make"  is running, but no format.
> 
> I checked folders after the installation.
> Folders, texmf-cache, texmf-fonts, texmf-local, texmf-modules,
> texmf-project are empty.
> texmf folder contains {fonts,metapost, tex,web2c}
> texmf-context folder contains {colors,context,doc}
> However, I couldn’t find base files, script files, etc.
> Is it normal? Is it related with Catalina?
> 
> Have a nice weekend.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Dalyoung
> 
> For reference, here are log of "mtxrun —generate”
> %%%%%%
> MacBook ConTeXtLMTX % mtxrun --generate
> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTOLOC' set to
> '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin'
> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTODIR' set to
> '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-osx-64'
> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTOPARENT' set to
> '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex'
> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXMFCNF' set to ''
> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXMF' set to ''
> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXOS' set to 'texmf-osx-64'
> resolvers       | resolving |
> resolvers       | resolving | using configuration specification
> 'home:texmf/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf-
> local/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf-
> context/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf-
> dist/web2c;selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c'
> resolvers       | resolving |
> resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on
> given path '/Users/graph/texmf/web2c' from specification
> 'home:texmf/web2c'
> resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on
> given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-local/web2c' from
> specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-local/web2c'
> resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on
> given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-context/web2c' from
> specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-context/web2c'
> resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on
> given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf-dist/web2c' from
> specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf-dist/web2c'
> resolvers       | resolving | looking for regular 'texmfcnf.lua' on
> given path '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf/web2c' from
> specification 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c'
> resolvers       | resolving | found regular configuration file
> '/Users/graph/ConTeXtLMTX/tex/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua'
> resolvers       | resolving |
> resolvers       | resolving | skipping configuration file
> 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua' (no valid format)
> resolvers       | resolving | no texmf paths are defined (using
> TEXMF)
> resolvers       | resolving |
> mtxrun          |
> mtxrun          | elapsed lua time: 0.032 seconds
> 
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> -MacBook ConTeXtLMTX % context --make
> mtxrun          | forcing cache reload
> resolvers       | resolving | configuration files already identified
> resolvers       | resolving | skipping configuration file
> 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua' (no valid format)
> resolvers       | resolving | no texmf paths are defined (using
> TEXMF)
> resolvers       | resolving |
> mtxrun          | the resolver databases are not present or outdated
> resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'scripts'
> resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-context.lua'
> using hash 'lua::mtx-context.lua'
> resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'scripts'
> resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-contexts.lua'
> using hash 'lua::mtx-contexts.lua'
> resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-context.lua'
> resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'scripts'
> resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-t-mtx-
> context.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-t-mtx-context.lua'
> resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'scripts'
> resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-t-mtx-
> contexts.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-t-mtx-contexts.lua'
> resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-t-mtx-
> context.lua'
> resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-context.lua'
> mtxrun          | unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx-
> context.lua'
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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-07 23:35       ` Hans Hagen
@ 2019-12-08 16:30         ` Alan Braslau
  2019-12-09  1:03           ` Jeong Dal
  2019-12-08 20:07         ` Mojca Miklavec
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread
From: Alan Braslau @ 2019-12-08 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Hans Hagen; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Jeong Dal

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 00:35:13 +0100
Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> I have no clue. Normally there is a check if directories can be accessed 
> and written to, so where then do these files go to?
> 
> I fear that other mac users have to help (no new mac here). Maybe Mojca 
> knows as she knows all there is to know.

I have no problem on Catalina, however wiping-out the cache and rebuilding the format often gives me errors finding the lua scripts (so I have taken the habit of creating and maintaining symbolic links in the texmf-osx-64/bin directory).

Alan
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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
       [not found]           ` <dcf18d57-eeb1-41b8-28b0-1a9c518e4250@xs4all.nl>
@ 2019-12-08 18:12             ` Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica @ 2019-12-08 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Hans Hagen; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users

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Hello Hans,

Yes, the Linux install fails as well. I have just tried another. The
output of context --make is attached.

During the install the ascii *.lua files in the following directory --
initially from context-linux-64.zip-- are overwritten by what look
like binaries:

/path/to/lmtx/bin:
  total used in directory 3444 available 236814588
  drwx------ 2 rbm49 rbm49    4096 Mar  2  2019 .
  drwx------ 4 rbm49 rbm49    4096 Dec  9 06:59 ..
  -rw------- 1 rbm49 rbm49   16432 Dec  9 06:59 mtx-install.lua
  -rwx------ 1 rbm49 rbm49 2786296 Dec  9 06:59 mtxrun
  -rw------- 1 rbm49 rbm49  696620 Dec  9 06:59 mtxrun.lua

And at the end of the install the following two files also seem to be
binaries (see "no valid format" message in attached log):

/path/to/lmtx/tex/texmf/web2c:
  total used in directory 28 available 236977668
  drwx------ 2 rbm49 rbm49 4096 Dec  9 06:58 .
  drwx------ 6 rbm49 rbm49 4096 Dec  9 06:58 ..
  -rw------- 1 rbm49 rbm49 7500 Dec  9 06:58 texmf.cnf
  -rw------- 1 rbm49 rbm49 8214 Dec  9 06:58 texmfcnf.lua


Best, Richard



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To: Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica <
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Subject: Re: [NTG-context] problem with a new installation of LMTX
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On 12/8/2019 8:36 AM, Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica wrote:
> Hello Otared,
> 
> "... get overwritten and are modified for some unknown reasons: in
> particular the two lua files become complete garbage…"
> 
> I found the same today under Gentoo Linux, and the same for the lua
> files under (can't check which as I've deleted the install):
> 
> ~/lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin
so linux install fails too?

Hans


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[rbm49@ieb-01000-hp-8570w:1:lmtx] % /home/rbm49/lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/context --make

mtxrun          | forcing cache reload
resolvers       | resolving | configuration files already identified
resolvers       | resolving | skipping configuration file 'home:texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua' (no valid format)
resolvers       | resolving | skipping configuration file 'selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua' (no valid format)
resolvers       | resolving | no texmf paths are defined (using TEXMF)
resolvers       | resolving |
mtxrun          | the resolver databases are not present or outdated
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-context.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-context.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-contexts.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-contexts.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-context.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-t-mtx-context.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-t-mtx-context.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | using suffix based filetype 'lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembering file 'mtx-t-mtx-contexts.lua' using hash 'lua::mtx-t-mtx-contexts.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-t-mtx-context.lua'
resolvers       | resolving | remembered file 'mtx-context.lua'
mtxrun          | unknown script 'mtx-context.lua' or 'mtx-mtx-context.lua'

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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-07 23:35       ` Hans Hagen
  2019-12-08 16:30         ` Alan Braslau
@ 2019-12-08 20:07         ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2019-12-08 20:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Jeong Dal

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 00:35, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 12/8/2019 12:20 AM, Jeong Dal wrote:
> > Dear Hans, Otared,
> >
> > Thank you for your concern.
> >
> > The version of luametatex is 20191206.
> > I followed what Otared said, but texmf-cache is not created after mtxrun.
> >
> > "context —make"  is running, but no format.
> >
> > I checked folders after the installation.
> > Folders, texmf-cache, texmf-fonts, texmf-local, texmf-modules, texmf-project are empty.
> > texmf folder contains {fonts,metapost, tex,web2c}
> > texmf-context folder contains {colors,context,doc}
> > However, I couldn’t find base files, script files, etc.
> > Is it normal? Is it related with Catalina?
> I have no clue. Normally there is a check if directories can be accessed
> and written to, so where then do these files go to?
>
> I fear that other mac users have to help (no new mac here). Maybe Mojca
> knows as she knows all there is to know.

I replied in another thread.

Catalina has way stricter security requirements and it's getting
increasingly more difficult to do workarounds.
(Using rsync might help to circumvent some of the troubles. For now, at least.)

I'm somewhat reluctant to install Catalina on my machine until I need
to (maybe in a VM).

Mojca
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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-08 16:30         ` Alan Braslau
@ 2019-12-09  1:03           ` Jeong Dal
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From: Jeong Dal @ 2019-12-09  1:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alan Braslau; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Mojca Miklavec

Dear Hans, Alan, and Mojca,

Thank you for your concern.

For me, it is a difficult problem, so I may return to the previous version of OSX.

> I have no problem on Catalina, however wiping-out the cache and rebuilding the format often gives me errors finding the lua scripts (so I have taken the habit of creating and maintaining symbolic links in the texmf-osx-64/bin directory).
> 
> Alan

Since you don’t have any problem on Catalina, there is  a hope of way out from this problem.
Would you please tell me how to maintain them in detail?

Thank you again.
Best regards,

Dalyoung


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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
       [not found]   ` <F146037B-D750-407F-AA4F-37D9410A4F27@gmail.com>
@ 2019-12-09  1:03     ` Jeong Dal
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From: Jeong Dal @ 2019-12-09  1:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Otared Kavian
  Cc: list ntg-context@ntg.nl ntg-context@ntg.nl ntg-context@ntg.nl
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Dear Otared,

Thank you for the zip file.
I downloaded it and copied it in a folder.
(There is no context-cache folder in the zip file)
In the terminal, I run “mtxrun —generate” and “context —make”.
But system doesn’t allow the execution of “luametatex”.
So I open the system preference:security part, and clear and allow the running “luametatex”.
But the system hinders “luametatex” continuously.

I have to ask about it to MAC service first to resolve this problem.
If it is not working after the resolve security problem, I may go back to previous version of OSX.
I’ll let you know the progress.

Thank you again.

Best regards,

Dalyoung
 

> 2019. 12. 9. 오전 6:34, Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> 작성:
> 
> Dear Dalyoung,
> 
> I made a zip file of the context-osx-64 tree on my machine, and put it on Dropbox
> 	https://www.dropbox.com/s/6isogxi78fwp1se/context-osx-64.zip?dl=0
> for you: you can try to install it on your Mac running MacOS 10.15 Catalina. Could you please tell me if you succeed to implement the procedure I described in the other email?
> 
> Best regards: OK
> 
>> On 8 Dec 2019, at 13:31, Jeong Dal <haksan@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> For test, I  installed again after removing ConTeXtLMTX folder.
>> But it is same as before.
>> 
>> I looked files in “/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin”.
>> There are 5 files: context, context.lua, luametatex, mtxrun, mtxrun.lua.
>> context and mtxrun are symbolic linked to luametatex.
>> But luametatex is not executable, so I changed it using “chmod 755 luametatex”.
>> I run “mtxrun —generate”, then it set variables as follows:
>> 
>> % mtxrun --generate
>> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTOLOC' set to '/usr/local/texlive/2019/bin/x86_64-darwin'
>> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTODIR' set to '/usr/local/texlive/2019/bin'
>> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTOPARENT' set to '/usr/local/texlive/2019'
>> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXMFCNF' set to ''
>> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXMF' set to ''
>> resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXOS' set to 'bin'
>> resolvers       | resolving |
>> …….
>> 
>> and do many things in the texlive/2019 folders.
>> 
>> My question is that luametatex is distributed as  an inexecutable form deliberately?
>> 
>> Thank you for reading.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Dalyoung
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-08 16:35     ` Alan Braslau
  2019-12-08 17:00       ` Floris van Manen
@ 2019-12-08 20:02       ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2019-12-08 20:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Otared Kavian

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 17:35, Alan Braslau wrote:
>
> On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 12:15:26 +0100
> Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > but otherwise as Floris suggests in his response, maybe we have to abandon MacOS in the near future…
>
> No, simply we need to adapt our procedures (installation scripts) to be compatible with MacOS policy.

One way that (still?) works is using rsync instead of fetching via http.
One very simple way to quickly offer a working solution would be to
offer the installer via rsync.

Adapting our procedures to meet Apple's security requirements would
take quite some effort (as well as paying a fee to Apple) to set up
the automatism and send all binaries for notarization.

See
    https://tug.org/TUGboat/tb40-2/tb125koch-harden.pdf
for an extensive description of what approximately is needed.
But note that the article's author needs to perform this roughly once
per year (that's very far from actually being one-off task as there
are many rounds to do), while we would need to make it work on regular
basis (ideally fully automated). And MacTeX already comes as an
official installer (pkg), while we don't have any app wrapper for
ConTeXt yet.

But in any case we need to wikify the procedure for LMTX. I thought
someone described a working workaround not that long ago? (I'm not
sure who, but searching for Catalina should provide some hits.)

Mojca
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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-08 16:35     ` Alan Braslau
@ 2019-12-08 17:00       ` Floris van Manen
  2019-12-08 20:02       ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Floris van Manen @ 2019-12-08 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

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On 08/12/2019 17:35, Alan Braslau wrote:
>> but otherwise as Floris suggests in his response, maybe we have to abandon MacOS in the near future…
> No, simply we need to adapt our procedures (installation scripts) to be compatible with MacOS policy.

That is indeed part of the issue: these platforms want You to move away
from the things that worked before and force you into closed areas
that'll make you depend on them. Its a pattern and a waste of energy
that could be better spend...
(but one cannot force people to their luck ;-)

.F


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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-08 11:15   ` Otared Kavian
@ 2019-12-08 16:35     ` Alan Braslau
  2019-12-08 17:00       ` Floris van Manen
  2019-12-08 20:02       ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Alan Braslau @ 2019-12-08 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Otared Kavian; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users

On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 12:15:26 +0100
Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:

> but otherwise as Floris suggests in his response, maybe we have to abandon MacOS in the near future…

No, simply we need to adapt our procedures (installation scripts) to be compatible with MacOS policy.

Alan
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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
       [not found] <mailman.231.1575790766.1207.ntg-context@ntg.nl>
  2019-12-08  8:12 ` Jeong Dal
@ 2019-12-08 12:31 ` Jeong Dal
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From: Jeong Dal @ 2019-12-08 12:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: list ntg-context@ntg.nl ntg-context@ntg.nl ntg-context@ntg.nl
	ntg-context@ntg.nl

For test, I  installed again after removing ConTeXtLMTX folder.
But it is same as before.

I looked files in “/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin”.
There are 5 files: context, context.lua, luametatex, mtxrun, mtxrun.lua.
context and mtxrun are symbolic linked to luametatex.
But luametatex is not executable, so I changed it using “chmod 755 luametatex”.
 I run “mtxrun —generate”, then it set variables as follows:

% mtxrun --generate
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTOLOC' set to '/usr/local/texlive/2019/bin/x86_64-darwin'
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTODIR' set to '/usr/local/texlive/2019/bin'
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'SELFAUTOPARENT' set to '/usr/local/texlive/2019'
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXMFCNF' set to ''
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXMF' set to ''
resolvers       | resolving | variable 'TEXOS' set to 'bin'
resolvers       | resolving |
…….

and do many things in the texlive/2019 folders.

My question is that luametatex is distributed as  an inexecutable form deliberately?

Thank you for reading.

Best regards,

Dalyoung




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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-08  8:12 ` Jeong Dal
  2019-12-08  9:48   ` Floris van Manen
@ 2019-12-08 11:15   ` Otared Kavian
  2019-12-08 16:35     ` Alan Braslau
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From: Otared Kavian @ 2019-12-08 11:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users

Dear Dalyoung,

I looked again at what is happening when installing LuaMetaTeX under MacOS 10.15.

In fact, even after completely disabling Gatekeeper and SIP (System Integrity Protection), when running

	sh install.sh

if the three files sitting in ~/context-os-64/bin/
	mtx-install.lua
	mtxrun
	mtxrun.lua
are write protected then the installation cannot proceed. And if they are not, they are overwriiten with something with the same names but which are binaries. And if this is the case then the installation does not proceed for some other reasons.
I don't understand why this is the case…

If you can go back to MacOS 10.14 that would be nice, but otherwise as Floris suggests in his response, maybe we have to abandon MacOS in the near future…

Best regards: OK

> On 8 Dec 2019, at 09:12, Jeong Dal <haksan@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Hans and Otared,
> 
> Thank you again for your attempt to find a solution.
> 
> Catalina(MacOS 10.15.1) prohibits an unauthorized program run.
> So I have to allow the execution of “mtxrun” manually in the preference.
> 
> Since "mtxrun —generate” ends with the message “unknown script mtxrun-context.lua or mtx-mtxrun-context.lua”, I tried to locate it in the finder. 
> There is one in a folder installed by MacTeX(TeXLive), but not in “ConTeXtLMTX”.
> 
> As you said, many files are not copied during the installation.
> I’ll try to understand what is going on, but it would be very hard to find a solution by myself.
> 
> I have to use old ConTeXt for a while.
> 
> Thank you again.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Dalyoung
> 
> 
> 
> 
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* Re: problem with a new installation of LMTX
  2019-12-08  8:12 ` Jeong Dal
@ 2019-12-08  9:48   ` Floris van Manen
  2019-12-08 11:15   ` Otared Kavian
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From: Floris van Manen @ 2019-12-08  9:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

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On 08-12-2019 09:12, Jeong Dal wrote:
> Catalina(MacOS 10.15.1) prohibits an unauthorized program run.

There are many ways to solve specific problems.
One approach is to try avoid them in the first place ;-)
So you could consider moving away from MacOS (and Windows).
The problems you describe will become worse over time as most of those
systems are sugar coated surveillance platforms.
Make the move to Linux instead (now that you still can ;-)
FYI ConTeXt works great on Linux (Ubuntu / Pop-OS!)

.F

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@ 2019-12-08  8:12 ` Jeong Dal
  2019-12-08  9:48   ` Floris van Manen
  2019-12-08 11:15   ` Otared Kavian
  2019-12-08 12:31 ` Jeong Dal
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From: Jeong Dal @ 2019-12-08  8:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Dear Hans and Otared,

Thank you again for your attempt to find a solution.

Catalina(MacOS 10.15.1) prohibits an unauthorized program run.
So I have to allow the execution of “mtxrun” manually in the preference.

Since "mtxrun —generate” ends with the message “unknown script mtxrun-context.lua or mtx-mtxrun-context.lua”, I tried to locate it in the finder. 
There is one in a folder installed by MacTeX(TeXLive), but not in “ConTeXtLMTX”.

As you said, many files are not copied during the installation.
I’ll try to understand what is going on, but it would be very hard to find a solution by myself.

I have to use old ConTeXt for a while.

Thank you again.

Best regards,

Dalyoung




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