semi-smart quotes in verbatim text?

semi-smart quotes in verbatim text?

[cormullion]

This is puzzling me. If i type this in a text editor:

\starttext
These are 'quotes'.
\starttyping
let a = 'quoted string'
\stoptyping
\stoptext

I'm using dumb quotes (hex 27). ConText renders this as this:

These are ’quotes’.
let a = ’quoted string’

ie the quotes have been educated - although only half-educated, since  
the opening one should be an opening one, if you see what I mean. But  
I really don't want characters in the verbatim (typing) section to  
change...because when you copy them from the PDF into an editor, the  
code listings don't work!

There must be some kind of switch somewhere that stops ConteXt  
changing them?

thanks for any help

Re: semi-smart quotes in verbatim text?

[Hans Hagen]

cormullion@mac.com wrote:
> This is puzzling me. If i type this in a text editor:
>
> \starttext
> These are 'quotes'.
> \starttyping
> let a = 'quoted string'
> \stoptyping
> \stoptext
>
> I'm using dumb quotes (hex 27). ConText renders this as this:
>
> These are �quotes�.
> let a = �quoted string�
>
> ie the quotes have been educated - although only half-educated, since  
> the opening one should be an opening one, if you see what I mean. But  
> I really don't want characters in the verbatim (typing) section to  
> change...because when you copy them from the PDF into an editor, the  
> code listings don't work!
>
> There must be some kind of switch somewhere that stops ConteXt  
> changing them?
>
>   
context does nothing with the quotes, its the font 

Hans 

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Re: semi-smart quotes in verbatim text?

[cormullion]

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On 2007-01-03, at 22:08.0, Hans Hagen wrote:

> cormullion@mac.com wrote:
>> This is puzzling me. If i type this in a text editor:
>>
>> \starttext
>> These are 'quotes'.
>> \starttyping
>> let a = 'quoted string'
>> \stoptyping
>> \stoptext
>>
>> I'm using dumb quotes (hex 27). ConText renders this as this:
>>
>> These are �quotes�.
>> let a = �quoted string�
>>
>> ie the quotes have been educated - although only half-educated, since
>> the opening one should be an opening one, if you see what I mean. But
>> I really don't want characters in the verbatim (typing) section to
>> change...because when you copy them from the PDF into an editor, the
>> code listings don't work!
>>
>> There must be some kind of switch somewhere that stops ConteXt
>> changing them?
>>
>>
> context does nothing with the quotes, its the font

Thanks, Hans.

I'm a bit confused though: in the verbatim sections I want the  
vertical typewriter quote <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe_% 
28mark%29#Computers_and_Unicode> rather than any '6' or '9' style  
quotation mark apostrophe. I can see the difference in most of the  
fonts I have here. In Courier, for example, the difference is about  
25 degrees of slope, and the inclined quotation mark is lower down too.

So perhaps I should rephrase my question: how can I keep the vertical  
' that I type into typing sections without it getting converted to a  
curvy quote ’...?

many thanks for any help


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Re: semi-smart quotes in verbatim text?

[Hans Hagen]

cormullion@mac.com wrote:
> On 2007-01-03, at 22:08.0, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> cormullion@mac.com wrote:
>>> This is puzzling me. If i type this in a text editor:
>>>
>>> \starttext
>>> These are 'quotes'.
>>> \starttyping
>>> let a = 'quoted string'
>>> \stoptyping
>>> \stoptext
>>>
>>> I'm using dumb quotes (hex 27). ConText renders this as this:
>>>
>>> These are �quotes�.
>>> let a = �quoted string�
>>>
>>> ie the quotes have been educated - although only half-educated, since
>>> the opening one should be an opening one, if you see what I mean. But
>>> I really don't want characters in the verbatim (typing) section to
>>> change...because when you copy them from the PDF into an editor, the
>>> code listings don't work!
>>>
>>> There must be some kind of switch somewhere that stops ConteXt
>>> changing them?
>>>
>>>
>> context does nothing with the quotes, its the font
>
> Thanks, Hans.
>
> I'm a bit confused though: in the verbatim sections I want the 
> vertical typewriter quote 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe_%28mark%29#Computers_and_Unicode> 
> rather than any '6' or '9' style quotation mark apostrophe. I can see 
> the difference in most of the fonts I have here. In Courier, for 
> example, the difference is about 25 degrees of slope, and the inclined 
> quotation mark is lower down too.
>
> So perhaps I should rephrase my question: how can I keep the vertical 
> ' that I type into typing sections without it getting converted to a 
> curvy quote ’...?
non-trivial (we must make the ' always active then) ; in luatex we can 
preprocess verbatim lines, and/or remap characters so remind me in half 
a year

(we can make a mkiv wish list)

Hans

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Re: semi-smart quotes in verbatim text?

[cormullion]

On 2007-01-04, at 15:53.0, Hans Hagen wrote:

> non-trivial (we must make the ' always active then) ; in luatex we can
> preprocess verbatim lines, and/or remap characters so remind me in  
> half
> a year

Thanks Hans - I'm happy for it to be considered a problem - that's  
the first step towards getting a solution :-)...

Re: semi-smart quotes in verbatim text?

[cormullion]

 > On 2007-01-04, at 07:53, Hans Hagen wrote:

> > So perhaps I should rephrase my question: how can I keep the  
> vertical
> > ' that I type into typing sections without it getting converted to a
> > curvy quote ’...?
> non-trivial (we must make the ' always active then) ; in luatex we can
> preprocess verbatim lines, and/or remap characters so remind me in  
> half
> a year
>
> (we can make a mkiv wish list)

half a year later :-) No worries, at present. But I'd really like to  
solve this minor problem of incorrect quote-education at some stage  
in the future. I don't know how imminent the move to luatex is...

cheers


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