* Lucida
@ 2010-11-08 12:33 Herbert Voss
2010-11-08 13:42 ` Lucida Mojca Miklavec
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From: Herbert Voss @ 2010-11-08 12:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Has someone a working typescript file for the Lucida
from TUG?
Herbert
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* Re: Lucida
2010-11-08 12:33 Lucida Herbert Voss
@ 2010-11-08 13:42 ` Mojca Miklavec
2010-11-08 15:58 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
2010-11-08 21:12 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2010-11-08 13:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
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2010/11/8 Herbert Voss wrote:
> Has someone a working typescript file for the Lucida
> from TUG?
Lucida should work out of the box (since beginning of 2010) if you
have the files from TUG installed:
% \usetypescript[lucida][ec] % for MKII
\setupbodyfont[lucida]
If you have any problems setting up the font, please ask. (See also
the beginning of http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Lucida, ignoring the
old instructions.)
If you find any problems with the math part, please report.
Mojca
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* Re: Lucida
2010-11-08 13:42 ` Lucida Mojca Miklavec
@ 2010-11-08 15:58 ` Herbert Voss
2010-11-08 20:49 ` Lucida Hans Hagen
2010-11-08 21:12 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
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From: Herbert Voss @ 2010-11-08 15:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 08.11.2010 14:42, schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
> 2010/11/8 Herbert Voss wrote:
>> Has someone a working typescript file for the Lucida
>> from TUG?
>
> Lucida should work out of the box (since beginning of 2010) if you
> have the files from TUG installed:
>
> % \usetypescript[lucida][ec] % for MKII
> \setupbodyfont[lucida]
>
> If you have any problems setting up the font, please ask. (See also
> the beginning of http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Lucida, ignoring the
> old instructions.)
>
> If you find any problems with the math part, please report.
load otf > preprocessing and caching took 0.057 seconds
define fonts > source file 'lbr' is not found
define fonts > unable to determine font format for ''
define fonts > source file 'lbd' is not found
...
it looks for the y&y filenames, but I have only the TUG ones.
In which file is this defined?
\setupbodyfont[lucida]
\starttext
foo \ss bar
\stoptext
context-minimal
Herbert
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* Re: Lucida
2010-11-08 15:58 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
@ 2010-11-08 20:49 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-11-08 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 8-11-2010 4:58, Herbert Voss wrote:
> Am 08.11.2010 14:42, schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>> 2010/11/8 Herbert Voss wrote:
>>> Has someone a working typescript file for the Lucida
>>> from TUG?
>>
>> Lucida should work out of the box (since beginning of 2010) if you
>> have the files from TUG installed:
>>
>> % \usetypescript[lucida][ec] % for MKII
>> \setupbodyfont[lucida]
>>
>> If you have any problems setting up the font, please ask. (See also
>> the beginning of http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Lucida, ignoring the
>> old instructions.)
>>
>> If you find any problems with the math part, please report.
>
> load otf> preprocessing and caching took 0.057 seconds
> define fonts> source file 'lbr' is not found
> define fonts> unable to determine font format for ''
> define fonts> source file 'lbd' is not found
> ....
>
>
> it looks for the y&y filenames, but I have only the TUG ones.
> In which file is this defined?
>
> \setupbodyfont[lucida]
>
> \starttext
> foo \ss bar
> \stoptext
>
> context-minimal
Lucida is somewhat special. Context has always supported lucida but used
the original lucida names (lbr.* etc). However, when tig took over from
yandy it decided not to ship those files and as a result lucida became
unuseable. Recently we adapted the typescripts to mkiv (and mkii). Math
was also done again (lucida had its own math vector but the files that
tug shipped were tuned for latex.).
So, for mkiv you need the latest typescript files for lucida
(type-otf.mkiv etc), there should also be a lucida-math.flg file that
defines the virtual open type math variant).
Hans
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* Re: Lucida
2010-11-08 13:42 ` Lucida Mojca Miklavec
2010-11-08 15:58 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
@ 2010-11-08 21:12 ` Herbert Voss
2010-11-09 7:45 ` Lucida Mojca Miklavec
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From: Herbert Voss @ 2010-11-08 21:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 08.11.2010 14:42, schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
> 2010/11/8 Herbert Voss wrote:
>> Has someone a working typescript file for the Lucida
>> from TUG?
>
> Lucida should work out of the box (since beginning of 2010) if you
> have the files from TUG installed:
>
> % \usetypescript[lucida][ec] % for MKII
> \setupbodyfont[lucida]
>
> If you have any problems setting up the font, please ask. (See also
> the beginning of http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Lucida, ignoring the
> old instructions.)
that didn't work for me. The documentation is no help
in this area. I put all Lucida fonts under
/opt/context/texmf-context/fonts/
Is this the correct dir, because there is also a texmf-fonts?
However, I tried to convert the commands for Libertine to Lucida
and now I can use the fonts except math. But I have
absoluteley no idea, if this is the right way ...
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Font Setup
\starttypescriptcollection [lucida]
\starttypescript[serif][lucida]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaBright] [name:lucidabrightce]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaBright-Italic]
[name:lucidabrightceitalic] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaBright-Bold]
[name:lucidabrightcedemibold] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaBrightBold-Italic][name:lucidabrightcedemibolditalic][features=default]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaBright-Caps] [name:lucidabrightwest]
[features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[sans][lucida]
% \setups[font:fallback:serif]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaSans] [name:lucidasansce]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-Italic] [name:lucidasansdemiitalic]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-Bold] [name:lucidasanscedemibold]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-BoldItalic][name:lucidasanscedemibolditalic][features=default]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-Caps] [Lucidabright-Caps]
[features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[mono][lucida]
% \setups[font:fallback:serif]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaMono] [name:lucidatypece]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaMono-Bold][name:lucidatypecebold][features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[cal][lucida]
% \setups[font:fallback:serif]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaCal] [name:lucidacalligraphy]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaCal-Italic][name:lucidacalligraphyitalic][features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[handwritten][lucida]
% \setups[font:fallback:serif]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaHandwriting]
[name:lucidahandwriting] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaHandwriting-Italic]
[name:lucidahandwritingitalic] [features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript[lucida]
\definetypeface[\typescriptone][rm][serif] [lucida][default]
\definetypeface[\typescriptone][ss][sans] [lucida][default]
\definetypeface[\typescriptone][tt][mono] [lucida][default]
\definetypeface[\typescriptone][cal][cal] [lucida][default]
\definetypeface[\typescriptone][hw][handwriting][lucida][default]
\definetypeface[\typescriptone][mm][math] [modern][default]
\stoptypescript
\stoptypescriptcollection
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
\setupbodyfont[lucida,11pt,rm]
\starttext
Lucida Bright \ss Lucida Sans
\tt Lucida Mono \hw Lucida Handwriting
\\cal Lucida Clalligraphic
\stoptext
Herbert
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* Re: Lucida
2010-11-08 21:12 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
@ 2010-11-09 7:45 ` Mojca Miklavec
2010-11-09 9:10 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
2010-11-09 9:24 ` Lucida Hans van der Meer
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2010-11-09 7:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
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2010/11/8 Herbert Voss wrote:
> Am 08.11.2010 14:42, schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>> 2010/11/8 Herbert Voss wrote:
>>> Has someone a working typescript file for the Lucida
>>> from TUG?
>>
>> Lucida should work out of the box (since beginning of 2010) if you
>> have the files from TUG installed:
>>
>> % \usetypescript[lucida][ec] % for MKII
>> \setupbodyfont[lucida]
>>
>> If you have any problems setting up the font, please ask. (See also
>> the beginning of http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Lucida, ignoring the
>> old instructions.)
>
> that didn't work for me. The documentation is no help
> in this area. I put all Lucida fonts under
> /opt/context/texmf-context/fonts/
> Is this the correct dir, because there is also a texmf-fonts?
You don't need any additional "fonts" subfolder since it is already in
the zip; and if you exctract the fonts into texmf-context, the font
might be deleted when you update the distribution, so you should
better use texmf-context, texmf-local, or ~/.texmf for example (not
100% about the last one, but I can check).
> However, I tried to convert the commands for Libertine to Lucida
> and now I can use the fonts except math. But I have
> absoluteley no idea, if this is the right way ...
You don't need any typescripts at all. They are already in
type-one.mkiv (type-one.mkii).
Just do the following:
1.) extract http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/install/fonts/psfonts/bh/lucida.zip
into /opt/context/texmf-fonts/
2.) copy all *.pfb files into /opt/context/texmf-fonts/fonts/type1/bh/lucida
3.) run mktexlsr and mtxrun --generate
And don't use any self-made typescript. Math is done using
\starttypescript [math] [lucida]
\loadfontgoodies[lucida-math]
\definefontsynonym[MathRoman][lucidamath@lucida-math]
\stoptypescript
For details you may check the file
/opt/context/texmf-context/tex/context/fonts/lucida-math.lfg
The last file is typically not something that user is expected to
write on his own (if he/she does, it could just as well be included in
ConTeXt itself; as the number of available math fonts is very very
limited).
Mojca
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* Re: Lucida
2010-11-09 7:45 ` Lucida Mojca Miklavec
@ 2010-11-09 9:10 ` Herbert Voss
2010-11-09 9:47 ` Lucida Hans Hagen
` (2 more replies)
2010-11-09 9:24 ` Lucida Hans van der Meer
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From: Herbert Voss @ 2010-11-09 9:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 09.11.2010 08:45, schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
> Just do the following:
>
> 1.) extract http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/install/fonts/psfonts/bh/lucida.zip
> into /opt/context/texmf-fonts/
>
> 2.) copy all *.pfb files into /opt/context/texmf-fonts/fonts/type1/bh/lucida
>
> 3.) run mktexlsr and mtxrun --generate
thanks, I did it with a new minimal,
but as I already posted:
...
define fonts > font with name LucidaBright is not found
define fonts > unknown font LucidaBright, loading aborted
define fonts > unable to define LucidaBright as \*lucida12ptrmtf*
define fonts > source file 'lbr' is not found
define fonts > unable to determine font format for ''
define fonts > source file 'lbd' is not found
...
it looks for y&y filenames l??, but I have only pfb files
with filenames from adobe (b&h)
Herbert
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* Re: Lucida
2010-11-09 7:45 ` Lucida Mojca Miklavec
2010-11-09 9:10 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
@ 2010-11-09 9:24 ` Hans van der Meer
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From: Hans van der Meer @ 2010-11-09 9:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I read the message below and hoped my Lucida would work.
On 9 nov 2010, at 08:45, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> 2010/11/8 Herbert Voss wrote:
>> Am 08.11.2010 14:42, schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>>> 2010/11/8 Herbert Voss wrote:
>>>> Has someone a working typescript file for the Lucida
>>>> from TUG?
>>>
>>> Lucida should work out of the box (since beginning of 2010) if you
>>> have the files from TUG installed:
>>>
>>> % \usetypescript[lucida][ec] % for MKII
>>> \setupbodyfont[lucida]
>>>
>>> If you have any problems setting up the font, please ask. (See also
>>> the beginning of http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Lucida, ignoring the
>>> old instructions.)
>>
I have the original Y&Y fonts of both Lucida and MathTimes, bought and paid for as it should be. My expectations were high in the light of this and previous messages about the Lucida fonts.
Whowever, doing
\setupbodyfont[lucida,11pt]
\starttext
...
\stoptext
This takes, presumably an endless loop. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
Hans van der Meer
The log says (abbreviated):
....
fonts/afm/hoekwater/stmaryrd/stmary10.afm
report | lua: compiling /Volumes/ALDARAN/TeX/ConTeXt/beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/e6d152282a788cf572580301585138b3/fonts/enc/unicode.tma into /Volumes/ALDARAN/TeX/ConTeXt/beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/e6d152282a788cf572580301585138b3/fonts/enc/unicode.tmc
load afm > assigning private slot U+F0000 for unknown glyph name oblong
....
load otf > saving in cache: /Volumes/ALDARAN/TeX/ConTeXt/beta/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/lm/lmmono12-regular.otf
report | lua: compiling /Volumes/ALDARAN/TeX/ConTeXt/beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/e6d152282a788cf572580301585138b3/fonts/otf/lmmono12-regular.tma into /Volumes/ALDARAN/TeX/ConTeXt/beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/e6d152282a788cf572580301585138b3/fonts/otf/lmmono12-regular.tmc
load otf > preprocessing and caching took 0.041 seconds
....
fontnames > 0 system files identified, 0 skipped, 0 duplicates, 0 hash entries added, runtime 0.002 seconds
fontnames > 8 files rejected due to clashes
fontnames > 192 double lookups in mappings
fontnames > 4 double lookups in fallbacks
report | lua: compiling /Volumes/ALDARAN/TeX/ConTeXt/beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/e6d152282a788cf572580301585138b3/fonts/data/names.tma into /Volumes/ALDARAN/TeX/ConTeXt/beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/e6d152282a788cf572580301585138b3/fonts/data/names.tmc
Process aborted
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* Re: Lucida
2010-11-09 9:10 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
@ 2010-11-09 9:47 ` Hans Hagen
2010-11-09 12:31 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
2010-11-09 13:08 ` Lucida Mojca Miklavec
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-11-09 9:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 9-11-2010 10:10, Herbert Voss wrote:
> Am 09.11.2010 08:45, schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>
>> Just do the following:
>>
>> 1.) extract http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/install/fonts/psfonts/bh/lucida.zip
>> into /opt/context/texmf-fonts/
>>
>> 2.) copy all *.pfb files into /opt/context/texmf-fonts/fonts/type1/bh/lucida
>>
>> 3.) run mktexlsr and mtxrun --generate
>
> thanks, I did it with a new minimal,
> but as I already posted:
>
> ....
> define fonts> font with name LucidaBright is not found
> define fonts> unknown font LucidaBright, loading aborted
> define fonts> unable to define LucidaBright as \*lucida12ptrmtf*
> define fonts> source file 'lbr' is not found
> define fonts> unable to determine font format for ''
> define fonts> source file 'lbd' is not found
> ....
>
> it looks for y&y filenames l??, but I have only pfb files
> with filenames from adobe (b&h)
it probably looks for afm files as mkiv does not use tfm files
are the afm files in your path?
(btw, those who bought original yandy variants can get the tug variants
from tug for free)
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* Re: Lucida
2010-11-09 9:10 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
2010-11-09 9:47 ` Lucida Hans Hagen
@ 2010-11-09 12:31 ` Herbert Voss
2010-11-09 13:08 ` Lucida Mojca Miklavec
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From: Herbert Voss @ 2010-11-09 12:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Am 09.11.2010 10:10, schrieb Herbert Voss:
> Am 09.11.2010 08:45, schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
> it looks for y&y filenames l??, but I have only pfb files
> with filenames from adobe (b&h)
I renamed the files and get now:
...
load afm > saving: lbl in cache
report | lua: compiling
/opt/context/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/2722fb5579b835691c1495c9a8e6b040/fonts/afm/lbl.tma
into
/opt/context/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/2722fb5579b835691c1495c9a8e6b040/fonts/afm/lbl.tmc
! LuaTeX error
...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-vfu.lua:529: attempt to
index local 'rotcev' (a nil value)
stack traceback:
...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-vfu.lua:529: in
function <...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-vfu.lua:374>
(tail call): ?
(tail call): ?
...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-def.lua:633: in
function 'read'
...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ctx.lua:430: in
function 'stage_two'
<main ctx instance>:1: in main chunk.
Herbert
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* Re: Lucida
2010-11-09 9:10 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
2010-11-09 9:47 ` Lucida Hans Hagen
2010-11-09 12:31 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
@ 2010-11-09 13:08 ` Mojca Miklavec
2010-11-09 13:28 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
2010-11-09 14:12 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2010-11-09 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
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2010/11/9 Herbert Voss <Herbert.Voss@fu-berlin.de>:
> Am 09.11.2010 08:45, schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>
>> Just do the following:
>>
>> 1.) extract http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/install/fonts/psfonts/bh/lucida.zip
>> into /opt/context/texmf-fonts/
>>
>> 2.) copy all *.pfb files into /opt/context/texmf-fonts/fonts/type1/bh/lucida
>>
>> 3.) run mktexlsr and mtxrun --generate
>
> thanks, I did it with a new minimal,
> but as I already posted:
>
> ...
> define fonts > font with name LucidaBright is not found
> define fonts > unknown font LucidaBright, loading aborted
> define fonts > unable to define LucidaBright as \*lucida12ptrmtf*
> define fonts > source file 'lbr' is not found
> define fonts > unable to determine font format for ''
> define fonts > source file 'lbd' is not found
> ...
>
> it looks for y&y filenames l??, but I have only pfb files
> with filenames from adobe (b&h)
Below is the list of files that ConTeXt assumes are present and which
are supported by TUG's package for LaTeX (pfb files are to be bought,
while afm are downloaded from CTAN).
I have no idea what happens if Type1 version of fonts is not the same
as described in afm files, but if you don't have all the necessary
Type1 files that are absolutely needed for Math, it probably won't
work anyway. I don't know enough of Lucida's history to provide more
insight. What pfb files exactly do you have on your system?
I would try to completely remove texmf-cache and then regenerate the
filename database again (mtxrun --generate).
Mojca
List of font files (apart from vf, tfm, map, enc ... files):
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbc.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbd.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbdi.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbdsc.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbh.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbi.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbki.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbkr.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbl.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbma.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbmad.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbmd.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbmdi.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbmdo.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbme.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbmi.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbmo.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbmr.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbms.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbmsd.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbr.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbrsc.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbsl.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbtb.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbtbo.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbto.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lbtr.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lfd.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lfdi.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lfi.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lfr.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lsb.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lsbi.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lsd.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lsdi.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lsi.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lsr.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lstb.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lstbo.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lsto.pfb
fonts/type1/bh/lucida/lstr.pfb
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbc.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbd.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbdi.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbdsc.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbh.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbi.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbki.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbkr.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbl.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbma.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbmad.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbmatex.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbmd.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbmdi.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbmdo.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbme.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbmetex.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbmi.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbmitex.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbmo.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbmotex.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbmr.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbms.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbmsd.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbmstex.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbr.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbrsc.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbsl.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbtb.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbtbo.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbto.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lbtr.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lfd.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lfdi.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lfi.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lfr.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lsb.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lsbi.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lsd.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lsdi.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lsi.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lsr.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lstb.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lstbo.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lsto.afm
fonts/afm/bh/lucida/lstr.afm
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* Re: Lucida
2010-11-09 13:08 ` Lucida Mojca Miklavec
@ 2010-11-09 13:28 ` Herbert Voss
2010-11-09 14:12 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
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From: Herbert Voss @ 2010-11-09 13:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Am 09.11.2010 14:08, schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>> it looks for y&y filenames l??, but I have only pfb files
>> with filenames from adobe (b&h)
>
> Below is the list of files that ConTeXt assumes are present and which
> are supported by TUG's package for LaTeX (pfb files are to be bought,
> while afm are downloaded from CTAN).
>
> I have no idea what happens if Type1 version of fonts is not the same
> as described in afm files, but if you don't have all the necessary
> Type1 files that are absolutely needed for Math, it probably won't
> work anyway. I don't know enough of Lucida's history to provide more
> insight. What pfb files exactly do you have on your system?
now I renamed all files to teh y&y ones.
> I would try to completely remove texmf-cache and then regenerate the
> filename database again (mtxrun --generate).
also done. The font files are now found, but I always get a
luatex error with latest minimal
...
load afm > saving: lbl in cache
report | lua: compiling
/opt/context/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/2722fb5579b835691c1495c9a8e6b040/fonts/afm/lbl.tma
into
/opt/context/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/2722fb5579b835691c1495c9a8e6b040/fonts/afm/lbl.tmc
! LuaTeX error
...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-vfu.lua:529: attempt to
index local 'rotcev' (a nil value)
stack traceback:
...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-vfu.lua:529: in
function <...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-vfu.lua:374>
(tail call): ?
(tail call): ?
...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-def.lua:633: in
function 'read'
...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ctx.lua:430: in
function 'stage_two'
<main ctx instance>:1: in main chunk.
system > error on line 1 in file zzzz.ctx: LuaTeX error ...
1 >> \setupbodyfont[lucida,11pt,rm]
Herbert
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* Re: Lucida
2010-11-09 13:08 ` Lucida Mojca Miklavec
2010-11-09 13:28 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
@ 2010-11-09 14:12 ` Herbert Voss
2010-11-09 15:45 ` Lucida Mojca Miklavec
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From: Herbert Voss @ 2010-11-09 14:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Am 09.11.2010 14:08, schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
> I have no idea what happens if Type1 version of fonts is not the same
> as described in afm files, but if you don't have all the necessary
> Type1 files that are absolutely needed for Math, it probably won't
> work anyway. I don't know enough of Lucida's history to provide more
> insight. What pfb files exactly do you have on your system?
>
> I would try to completely remove texmf-cache and then regenerate the
> filename database again (mtxrun --generate).
This works:
\starttypescript[lucida]
\definetypeface[\typescriptone][rm][serif]
[lucida][default][features=default]
\definetypeface[\typescriptone][ss][sans]
[lucida][default][features=default]
\definetypeface[\typescriptone][tt][mono]
[lucida][default][features=none]
\definetypeface[\typescriptone][cal][cal]
[lucida][default][features=default]
\definetypeface[\typescriptone][hw][handwriting][lucida][default][features=default]
\definetypeface[\typescriptone][mm][math] [modern][default]
\stoptypescript
\setupbodyfont[lucida,11pt,rm]
%\input LoadLucida
\starttext
foo Lucida Bright \ss Lucida Sans Serif \tt Lucida Mono
\hw Handwriting
\cal Calligraphic
\stoptext
Is it a problem with the definitions for otf in type-otf.mkiv,
but using type1 instead of otf?
Herbert
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* Re: Lucida
2010-11-09 14:12 ` Lucida Herbert Voss
@ 2010-11-09 15:45 ` Mojca Miklavec
2010-11-09 16:42 ` Lucida Hans Hagen
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2010-11-09 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Ouch!
Actually, Lucida worked with 2010.10.21 23:27 MKIV, but is broken in
2010.11.03 19:42 MKIV.
I now see that I get the same error as you do:
! LuaTeX error ...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-vfu.lua:529:
attempt to index local 'rotcev' (a nil value)
stack traceback:
...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-vfu.lua:529: in
function <...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/math-vfu.lua:374>
(tail call): ?
(tail call): ?
...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-def.lua:633: in function 'read'
...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ctx.lua:430: in
function 'stage_two'
<main ctx instance>:1: in main chunk.
system > error on line 1 in file luc.tex: LuaTeX error ...
Hans?
2010/11/9 Herbert Voss wrote:
> Am 09.11.2010 14:08, schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>
> Is it a problem with the definitions for otf in type-otf.mkiv,
> but using type1 instead of otf?
type-otf.mkiv is just a filename. The "otf" is partially there for
historic reasons and doesn't imply that only OpenType fonts should be
defined there, even though this is true for almost all fonts listed
there.
Typescripts for Lucida define the Type1 fonts. Your definition may
solve the problem temporary, but most probably won't use the proper
glyphs as soon as you try to compile a slightly more complex document.
This needs to be fixed in ConTeXt. I'm sorry for not noticing earlier.
I knew that I happily compiled a document with Lucida yesterday, but I
didn't have the latest ConTeXt installed.
Mojca
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* Re: Lucida
2010-11-09 15:45 ` Lucida Mojca Miklavec
@ 2010-11-09 16:42 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-11-09 16:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Mojca Miklavec
Hi Mojca,
> Ouch!
Indeed.
> Hans?
Before I do an upload, can you check the beta on the ftp server?
(In the process of documenting cld etc I clean up some code so there
might be typos.)
Hans
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* Re: lucida
2002-12-13 11:58 ` lucida Siep
@ 2002-12-13 17:48 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2002-12-13 17:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
At 12:58 PM 12/13/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>Thanks for your input.
>
>Hans, can you confirm that there is no simple way to use an existing
>Lucida installation and that this is really necessary? And what about
>other PostScript fonts?
with existing i guess that youy mean berry names.
if someone is willing to figure out how those barry names map onto internal
names ...
internally for instance SerifBold maps onto LucidaBright-Demi which maps
onto <typefaceencoding>-lbd
so what's needed is something
\starttypescript [lucida] [texnansi] % or something else that suits, maybe
just [texnansi] alone
\definefontsynonym [texnansi-lbd] [some kind of berry name]
[encoding=texnansi]
or
\definefontsynonym [LucidaBright-Demi] [some berry name] [encoding=texnansi]
...
and add that script to say mynames.tex and then say
\usettypescriptfile[mynames]
then things should work with
\usetypescript [lucida] [texnansi]
\setupbodyfont [lucida]
So, it's definitely possible, but i'm not going to make those mappings
myself -)
Hans
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* Re: lucida
2002-12-11 17:50 ` lucida Larry Stamm
@ 2002-12-13 11:58 ` Siep
2002-12-13 17:48 ` lucida Hans Hagen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Siep @ 2002-12-13 11:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:50:03 -0800
"Larry Stamm" <larry@larrystamm.com> wrote:
> siep <siep@elvenkind.com> writes:
>
> > Now I got the file showfont.pdf. I copied the example, but I
> > still got a texnansi-lbr missing font. \setupbodyfont didn't work
> > either.
>
> > A LaTeX file with \usepackage{lucidabr} and either with or
> > without \usepackage{texnansi} works perfectly.
>
> > What assumptions are being made about the way the fonts are
> > installed? I have been testing on what is basically a stock tetex
> > with lb... pfb's added and with a context from August, and on a
> > stock miktex also with with lb... pfb's added.
>
> After I installed the 10-23-2002 version, I couldn't get any of the
> postcript fonts to work. So I ended copying all the .afm and .pfb
> postscript files into a temporary directory, and running texfont on the
> whole bunch. Now they work fine.
>
> I don't have the lucida .pfb or .pfa files installed on my system, so
> these fonts won't work until I get the .pfb files (is this right?).
> Maybe you should check for the existence of the lucida .pfb files on
> your system as a starting point. If you find them, read mtexfont.pdf
> and follow the instructions for installing a new font on the lucida font
> files. You should be in business then.
>
> I'm just learning myself, and this may be all wrong. Please enlighten
> me if so; I find the ConTeXt font system to be difficult to understand,
> although it is beginning to make some sense.
Thanks for your input.
Hans, can you confirm that there is no simple way to use an existing
Lucida installation and that this is really necessary? And what about
other PostScript fonts?
--
Siep Kroonenberg
siepo@cybercomm.nl
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* Re: lucida
2002-12-11 9:04 ` lucida Siep
@ 2002-12-11 17:50 ` Larry Stamm
2002-12-13 11:58 ` lucida Siep
0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Larry Stamm @ 2002-12-11 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
siep <siep@elvenkind.com> writes:
> Now I got the file showfont.pdf. I copied the example, but I
> still got a texnansi-lbr missing font. \setupbodyfont didn't work
> either.
> A LaTeX file with \usepackage{lucidabr} and either with or
> without \usepackage{texnansi} works perfectly.
> What assumptions are being made about the way the fonts are
> installed? I have been testing on what is basically a stock tetex
> with lb... pfb's added and with a context from August, and on a
> stock miktex also with with lb... pfb's added.
After I installed the 10-23-2002 version, I couldn't get any of the
postcript fonts to work. So I ended copying all the .afm and .pfb
postscript files into a temporary directory, and running texfont on the
whole bunch. Now they work fine.
I don't have the lucida .pfb or .pfa files installed on my system, so
these fonts won't work until I get the .pfb files (is this right?).
Maybe you should check for the existence of the lucida .pfb files on
your system as a starting point. If you find them, read mtexfont.pdf
and follow the instructions for installing a new font on the lucida font
files. You should be in business then.
I'm just learning myself, and this may be all wrong. Please enlighten
me if so; I find the ConTeXt font system to be difficult to understand,
although it is beginning to make some sense.
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McBride, BC
Canada
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* Re: lucida
2002-12-11 1:08 ` lucida Matthew Huggett
@ 2002-12-11 9:04 ` Siep
2002-12-11 17:50 ` lucida Larry Stamm
0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Siep @ 2002-12-11 9:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
Now I got the file showfont.pdf. I copied the example, but I still
got a texnansi-lbr missing font. \setupbodyfont didn't work either.
A LaTeX file with \usepackage{lucidabr} and either with or without
\usepackage{texnansi} works perfectly.
What assumptions are being made about the way the fonts are
installed? I have been testing on what is basically a stock tetex
with lb... pfb's added and with a context from August, and on a stock
miktex also with with lb... pfb's added.
For another project, we have successfully used our own font-....tex
files, which don't use the typescript mechanism, but now I need a
simple `canonical' solution for a general-purpose (MiK)TeX
installation.
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:08:35 +0900
"Matthew Huggett" <mhuggett@zam.att.ne.jp> wrote:
> Yeah, don't forget to do \setupbodyfont
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Graham" <daniel.graham@duke.edu>
> To: <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] lucida
>
>
> > This works for me:
> >
> > \setupbodyfont[lbr]
> >
> > -Dan
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* Re: lucida
2002-12-10 16:03 ` lucida Daniel Graham
@ 2002-12-11 1:08 ` Matthew Huggett
2002-12-11 9:04 ` lucida Siep
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From: Matthew Huggett @ 2002-12-11 1:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
Yeah, don't forget to do \setupbodyfont
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Graham" <daniel.graham@duke.edu>
To: <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] lucida
> This works for me:
>
> \setupbodyfont[lbr]
>
> -Dan
>
> On 2002-12-10 16:46 +0100, Siep wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:21:53 +0900
> > "Matthew Huggett" <mhuggett@zam.att.ne.jp> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This didn't work. The trouble is that Context creates fontnames such
> > as ec-lbr or texnansi-lbr which of course it cannot find.
> >
> > Where is this showfont.pdf file? It isn't listed in collect.htm; all
> > I found there was mfonts.pdf, which might have the answer hidden
> > somewhere, but that document seemed too much in-depth for what ought
> > to be a simple question. From a mailing list archive I found a
> > listing by Hans for a file type-ven.tex which didn't work either.
> >
> >
> > --
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* Re: lucida
2002-12-10 15:46 ` lucida Siep
2002-12-10 16:03 ` lucida Daniel Graham
@ 2002-12-11 1:07 ` Matthew Huggett
1 sibling, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: Matthew Huggett @ 2002-12-11 1:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
You can get showfont.pdf at
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/showfont.pdf
----- Original Message -----
From: "Siep" <siep@elvenkind.com>
To: <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] lucida
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:21:53 +0900
> "Matthew Huggett" <mhuggett@zam.att.ne.jp> wrote:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Siep" <siep@elvenkind.com>
> > To: <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:46 PM
> > Subject: [NTG-context] lucida
> >
> >
> > > How do I turn on Lucida Bright for an entire document? The
> > > TeX-installation contains hl... and lb... tfms and lb... pfbs.
> >
> > I had some luck using the examples in the showfont.pdf document. I
> > think it was
> > \usetypescript [lucida] [texnansi]
> > \switchtotypeface [lucida] [9pt]
> >
> >
> > Matt
>
> This didn't work. The trouble is that Context creates fontnames such
> as ec-lbr or texnansi-lbr which of course it cannot find.
>
> Where is this showfont.pdf file? It isn't listed in collect.htm; all
> I found there was mfonts.pdf, which might have the answer hidden
> somewhere, but that document seemed too much in-depth for what ought
> to be a simple question. From a mailing list archive I found a
> listing by Hans for a file type-ven.tex which didn't work either.
>
>
> --
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* Re: lucida
2002-12-10 15:46 ` lucida Siep
@ 2002-12-10 16:03 ` Daniel Graham
2002-12-11 1:08 ` lucida Matthew Huggett
2002-12-11 1:07 ` lucida Matthew Huggett
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From: Daniel Graham @ 2002-12-10 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
This works for me:
\setupbodyfont[lbr]
-Dan
On 2002-12-10 16:46 +0100, Siep wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:21:53 +0900
> "Matthew Huggett" <mhuggett@zam.att.ne.jp> wrote:
>
>
> This didn't work. The trouble is that Context creates fontnames such
> as ec-lbr or texnansi-lbr which of course it cannot find.
>
> Where is this showfont.pdf file? It isn't listed in collect.htm; all
> I found there was mfonts.pdf, which might have the answer hidden
> somewhere, but that document seemed too much in-depth for what ought
> to be a simple question. From a mailing list archive I found a
> listing by Hans for a file type-ven.tex which didn't work either.
>
>
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* Re: lucida
2002-12-10 15:21 ` lucida Matthew Huggett
@ 2002-12-10 15:46 ` Siep
2002-12-10 16:03 ` lucida Daniel Graham
2002-12-11 1:07 ` lucida Matthew Huggett
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From: Siep @ 2002-12-10 15:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:21:53 +0900
"Matthew Huggett" <mhuggett@zam.att.ne.jp> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Siep" <siep@elvenkind.com>
> To: <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:46 PM
> Subject: [NTG-context] lucida
>
>
> > How do I turn on Lucida Bright for an entire document? The
> > TeX-installation contains hl... and lb... tfms and lb... pfbs.
>
> I had some luck using the examples in the showfont.pdf document. I
> think it was
> \usetypescript [lucida] [texnansi]
> \switchtotypeface [lucida] [9pt]
>
>
> Matt
This didn't work. The trouble is that Context creates fontnames such
as ec-lbr or texnansi-lbr which of course it cannot find.
Where is this showfont.pdf file? It isn't listed in collect.htm; all
I found there was mfonts.pdf, which might have the answer hidden
somewhere, but that document seemed too much in-depth for what ought
to be a simple question. From a mailing list archive I found a
listing by Hans for a file type-ven.tex which didn't work either.
--
Siep Kroonenberg
siep@elvenkind.com
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* Re: lucida
2002-12-10 14:46 lucida Siep
@ 2002-12-10 15:21 ` Matthew Huggett
2002-12-10 15:46 ` lucida Siep
0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Matthew Huggett @ 2002-12-10 15:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Siep" <siep@elvenkind.com>
To: <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:46 PM
Subject: [NTG-context] lucida
> How do I turn on Lucida Bright for an entire document? The
> TeX-installation contains hl... and lb... tfms and lb... pfbs.
I had some luck using the examples in the showfont.pdf document. I think it
was
\usetypescript [lucida] [texnansi]
\switchtotypeface [lucida] [9pt]
Matt
>
> --
> Siep Kroonenberg
> siep@elvenkind.com
> _______________________________________________
> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>
>
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* lucida
@ 2002-12-10 14:46 Siep
2002-12-10 15:21 ` lucida Matthew Huggett
0 siblings, 1 reply; 25+ messages in thread
From: Siep @ 2002-12-10 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
How do I turn on Lucida Bright for an entire document? The
TeX-installation contains hl... and lb... tfms and lb... pfbs.
--
Siep Kroonenberg
siep@elvenkind.com
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