where has PI gone?

where has PI gone?

[Hans van der Meer]

Since the last ConTeXt beta the typesetting of the greek capital letter 
PI doesn't work anymore in lucida (lbr). Small pi works though.
Anyone knows why? And where to find it back?

Hans van der Meer

Re: where has PI gone?

[Hans Hagen]

At 07:39 PM 11/14/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>Since the last ConTeXt beta the typesetting of the greek capital letter PI 
>doesn't work anymore in lucida (lbr). Small pi works though.
>Anyone knows why? And where to find it back?

Can you check type-syn.tex?

It should say:

\starttypescript [math] [lucida] [name]
   \definefontsynonym [MathRoman]     [LucidaBright]

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Re: where has PI gone?

[Hans van der Meer]

On donderdag, nov 14, 2002, at 21:51 Europe/Amsterdam, Hans Hagen wrote:

> At 07:39 PM 11/14/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>> Since the last ConTeXt beta the typesetting of the greek capital 
>> letter PI doesn't work anymore in lucida (lbr). Small pi works >> though.
>> Anyone knows why? And where to find it back?
>
> Can you check type-syn.tex?
>
> It should say:
>
> \starttypescript [math] [lucida] [name]
>   \definefontsynonym [MathRoman]     [LucidaBright]
>
> Hans

type-syn.tex has the following code:

\starttypescript [math] [lucida] [name]
   \definefontsynonym [MathRoman]     [LucidaBright]
   \definefontsynonym [MathExtension] [LucidaNewMath-Extension]
   \definefontsynonym [MathItalic]    [LucidaNewMath-AltItalic]
   \definefontsynonym [MathSymbol]    [LucidaNewMath-Symbol]
   \definefontsynonym [MathAlpha]     [LucidaNewMath-Arrows]
  %\definefontsynonym [MathBeta]      [LucidaNewMath-Roman]
  %\definefontsynonym [MathRoman]     [LucidaNewMath-Roman]
\stoptypescript

Hans van der Meer

Re: where has PI gone?

[Hans Hagen]

At 04:35 PM 11/15/2002 +0100, you wrote:

>On donderdag, nov 14, 2002, at 21:51 Europe/Amsterdam, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>>At 07:39 PM 11/14/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>>>Since the last ConTeXt beta the typesetting of the greek capital letter 
>>>PI doesn't work anymore in lucida (lbr). Small pi works >> though.
>>>Anyone knows why? And where to find it back?
>>
>>Can you check type-syn.tex?
>>
>>It should say:
>>
>>\starttypescript [math] [lucida] [name]
>>   \definefontsynonym [MathRoman]     [LucidaBright]
>>
>>Hans
>
>type-syn.tex has the following code:
>
>\starttypescript [math] [lucida] [name]
>   \definefontsynonym [MathRoman]     [LucidaBright]
>   \definefontsynonym [MathExtension] [LucidaNewMath-Extension]
>   \definefontsynonym [MathItalic]    [LucidaNewMath-AltItalic]
>   \definefontsynonym [MathSymbol]    [LucidaNewMath-Symbol]
>   \definefontsynonym [MathAlpha]     [LucidaNewMath-Arrows]
>  %\definefontsynonym [MathBeta]      [LucidaNewMath-Roman]
>  %\definefontsynonym [MathRoman]     [LucidaNewMath-Roman]
>\stoptypescript

Then, in math-lbr, check for:

\definefamilysynonym [lbr] [ucgreek]  [ex]

(seems that i messed around with some fonts when trying to solve some other 
symbol problem; lbr fonts don't use the nromal tex encoding, so in math-lbr 
symbols are mapped)

Hans
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Re: where has PI gone?

[Hans van der Meer]

On vrijdag, nov 15, 2002, at 17:48 Europe/Amsterdam, Hans Hagen wrote:

>>>> Since the last ConTeXt beta the typesetting of the greek capital 
>>>> letter PI doesn't work anymore in lucida (lbr). Small pi works >> 
>>>> though.
>>>> Anyone knows why? And where to find it back?
>>>
>>> Can you check type-syn.tex?
>>>
>>> It should say:
>>>
>>> \starttypescript [math] [lucida] [name]
>>>   \definefontsynonym [MathRoman]     [LucidaBright]
>>>
>>> Hans
>>
>> type-syn.tex has the following code:
>>
>> \starttypescript [math] [lucida] [name]
>>   \definefontsynonym [MathRoman]     [LucidaBright]
>>   \definefontsynonym [MathExtension] [LucidaNewMath-Extension]
>>   \definefontsynonym [MathItalic]    [LucidaNewMath-AltItalic]
>>   \definefontsynonym [MathSymbol]    [LucidaNewMath-Symbol]
>>   \definefontsynonym [MathAlpha]     [LucidaNewMath-Arrows]
>>  %\definefontsynonym [MathBeta]      [LucidaNewMath-Roman]
>>  %\definefontsynonym [MathRoman]     [LucidaNewMath-Roman]
>> \stoptypescript
>
> Then, in math-lbr, check for:
>
> \definefamilysynonym [lbr] [ucgreek]  [ex]
>
> (seems that i messed around with some fonts when trying to solve some 
> other symbol problem; lbr fonts don't use the nromal tex encoding, so 
> in math-lbr symbols are mapped)

There I do not find [ex] but:
\definefamilysynonym [lbr] [ucgreek]  [mr] % [ex]
\definefamilysynonym [lbr] [vargreek] [mi]

Changing [mr] to [ex] there changes the representation but of course to 
nothing useful. However, it shows that this is the font involved. 
Typesetting with {\mi \Pi} does gives a letter PI, but the vargreek 
(slanted) form and not the upright fellow I want.
According to the font table I have, PI should be in lbmr 
([LucidaNewMath-Roman] in type-enc.tex) in position 5.
I find [LucidaNewMath-Roman]  in two places commented out in 
typ-syn.tex:
  %\definefontsynonym [MathBeta]      [LucidaNewMath-Roman]
  %\definefontsynonym [MathRoman]     [LucidaNewMath-Roman]

I am still in the dark.

Hans van der Meer

Re: where has PI gone?

[Hans Hagen]

At 06:51 PM 11/15/2002 +0100, you wrote:

>There I do not find [ex] but:
>\definefamilysynonym [lbr] [ucgreek]  [mr] % [ex]
>\definefamilysynonym [lbr] [vargreek] [mi]
>
>Changing [mr] to [ex] there changes the representation but of course to 
>nothing useful. However, it shows that this is the font involved. 
>Typesetting with {\mi \Pi} does gives a letter PI, but the vargreek 
>(slanted) form and not the upright fellow I want.
>According to the font table I have, PI should be in lbmr 
>([LucidaNewMath-Roman] in type-enc.tex) in position 5.
>I find [LucidaNewMath-Roman]  in two places commented out in typ-syn.tex:
>  %\definefontsynonym [MathBeta]      [LucidaNewMath-Roman]
>  %\definefontsynonym [MathRoman]     [LucidaNewMath-Roman]
>
>I am still in the dark.

in that case, maybe we need:

in math-lbr:

   \definefamilysynonym [lbr] [ucgreek]  [mb]

and the 0++ range:

   \definemathsymbol [Pi]      [alpha] [ucgreek] ["05]

in type-syn:

   \definefontsynonym [MathBeta]      [LucidaNewMath-Roman]

Can you test if that gives you the right PI?

Hans
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Re: where has PI gone?

[Hans van der Meer]

Hans,

 > On zaterdag, nov 16, 2002, at 10:57 Europe/Amsterdam, Hans Hagen 
wrote:
 > in that case, maybe we need:
 > in math-lbr:
 >   \definefamilysynonym [lbr] [ucgreek]  [mb]	% ADDED this HVDM
 >
 > and the 0++ range:
 >   \definemathsymbol [Pi]      [alpha] [ucgreek] ["05]	% It's already 
in the file
 >
 > in type-syn:
 >
 >   \definefontsynonym [MathBeta]      [LucidaNewMath-Roman] % 
UNCOMMENTED this HVDM
 >
 > Can you test if that gives you the right PI?

Indeed, now lucida big PI appears with $\Pi$.
Thanks for pointing out the corrections.
Note that the line in type-syn was already there, but commented out.

Hans van der Meer