Re: What happened with sectionworld?

Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Wolfgang, your script in mkiv produces

"It's not as hard you think, just show him a few nice things and he is 
happy.
See section 1 at page *11.1*."

I don't understand why \at{page}[sec:happy] outputs section number.

Vyatcheslav




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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 29.04.2009 um 21:01 schrieb Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky:

> Wolfgang, your script in mkiv produces
>
> "It's not as hard you think, just show him a few nice things and he  
> is happy.
> See section 1 at page *11.1*."
>
> I don't understand why \at{page}[sec:happy] outputs section number.

weird because i get this: See section 11 at page 1.

Wolfgang

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Otared Kavian]

On 29 avr. 09, at 21:05, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

>
> Am 29.04.2009 um 21:01 schrieb Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky:
>
>> Wolfgang, your script in mkiv produces
>>
>> "It's not as hard you think, just show him a few nice things and he  
>> is happy.
>> See section 1 at page *11.1*."
>>
>> I don't understand why \at{page}[sec:happy] outputs section number.
>
> weird because i get this: See section 11 at page 1.
>
> Wolfgang

Hi Wolfgang,

Thanks for your nice example, but I too get "See section 1 at page  
11.1." with ConTeXt  ver: 2009.04.21 16:11 MKIV  fmt: 2009.4.25  int:  
english/english.

Can it be that like numbering footnotes, chapter, section and  
pagenumberings are also broken?

Best regards: OK
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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 29.04.2009 um 21:13 schrieb Otared Kavian:

> Thanks for your nice example, but I too get "See section 1 at page  
> 11.1." with ConTeXt  ver: 2009.04.21 16:11 MKIV  fmt: 2009.4.25   
> int: english/english.

MTXrun | current version: 2009.04.28 08:46

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 30.04.2009 um 20:33 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

> Am 2009-04-30 um 19:06 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
>> I presented you a solution with sectionworld headers, the \Title  
>> command
>> was AFAIR your invention (which you never mentioned before).
>
> That one indeed (that was easy...), but the whole sectionworld stuff  
> was yours, as documented in http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Proceedings_style 
>  (see %start/stop WS; there \Titel is called \MyChapter)
>
> I still don't understand what the (additional?) problem was that you  
> solved with that solution.
> Apparently we needed to tinker with the chapter counter.

why the counter (can't remember)?

> What part of your recent solutions wasn't possible one year before?
> \define[#] ? (At least I didn't know that one.)

Nothing but you where looking for method to set the author and a  
subtitle
and sectionworld was perfect suited for this with his key-val-syntax  
while
your own \MyChapter changed everything because I could have used a  
different
method than I needed for sectionworld.

Wolfgang

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2009-04-30 um 19:06 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
>>> You never needed the sectionworld command for your own header  
>>> command,
>>> this solution is cleaner and works with mkii and mkiv.
>>
>> Thank you! That's nearly exactly what I wanted to achieve!
>> So I asked the wrong question, stupid newbie error...
>> But I wonder why you suggested the complicated solution one year  
>> before...
>
> I presented you a solution with sectionworld headers, the \Title  
> command
> was AFAIR your invention (which you never mentioned before).


That one indeed (that was easy...), but the whole sectionworld stuff  
was yours, as documented in http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Proceedings_style 
  (see %start/stop WS; there \Titel is called \MyChapter)

I still don't understand what the (additional?) problem was that you  
solved with that solution.
Apparently we needed to tinker with the chapter counter.

What part of your recent solutions wasn't possible one year before?
\define[#] ? (At least I didn't know that one.)



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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 30.04.2009 um 17:40 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

> Am 2009-04-29 um 23:07 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
>> You never needed the sectionworld command for your own header  
>> command,
>> this solution is cleaner and works with mkii and mkiv.
>
> Thank you! That's nearly exactly what I wanted to achieve!
> So I asked the wrong question, stupid newbie error...
> But I wonder why you suggested the complicated solution one year  
> before...

I presented you a solution with sectionworld headers, the \Title command
was AFAIR your invention (which you never mentioned before).

Wolfgang

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2009-04-29 um 23:07 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
> You never needed the sectionworld command for your own header command,
> this solution is cleaner and works with mkii and mkiv.

Thank you! That's nearly exactly what I wanted to achieve!
So I asked the wrong question, stupid newbie error...
But I wonder why you suggested the complicated solution one year  
before...

I'll update http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Proceedings_style as soon as  
I get my other problems sorted out.

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[R. Bastian]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:00:07 +0200
luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> scribit:

> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:46 PM, R. Bastian <rbastian@free.fr> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:55:05 +0200
> > luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> scribit:
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > May be that ConTeXt is not a 'context free language'  ;-)
> > > > than it will be difficult to express something in a BNF grammar
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus-Naur_form.
> > > >
> > > hmm.
> > > Context is a macro package in TeX language which is Turing Complete.
> > >
> > >
> > > > But if (ConTeXt == formal_language), it should be possible to
> > > > develop TEXT, NUMBER, DIMENSION, REFERENCE, etc
> > > > and also to add examples for "[optional user data]".
> > > >
> > > hmm
> > > I'm not sure that ConTeXt == TeX (but it seems YES) ,
> > > I'm nor sure that TeX is a context free language too,
> > > in the sense that I never see a BNF grammar of TeX .
> > (chap.24-26 of the Texbook are embryos of a grammar, but they are not
> > usable
> > like the grammar of Pascal or Python)
> > > I suspect that TeX is not a cfl .
> > >
> > > Anyway,
> > > lpeg can make the thing easier
> > >
> > > --
> > > luigi
> >
> 
> 
> >
> > I think that something user-friendly could be do in a cooperative wiki (in
> > the between, i found
> > http://texshow.contextgarden.net/) beginning with
> >
> > CONTEXT_SOURCE ::= PREAMBLE "\starttext" TEXT "\stoptext" | CONTEXT_SOURCE
> > TEXT ::= STARTSTOPS | SETUPS | DEFINES | OTHERS [ TEXT
> >
> > and so on.
> >
> Consider that one can always make some dirty tricks in PREAMBLE to render
> useless
> "\starttext"
> or "\stoptext"
> 
> To be general, i think
> MY_CONTEXT_SOURCE ::= MACRO* END
> 
> For example , let's try
> $>context test
> where
> test.tex ::="\end"
> or
> test.tex ::="FOO\end"
> 
> Are there any errors ? No
> Is test.tex  in {CONTEXT_SOURCE } ? No
> Is test.tex in {MY_CONTEXT_SOURCE} Yes
> so MY_CONTEXT_SOURCE includes CONTEXT_SOURCE
> (of course
> test.tex ::="\end""\starttext""\stoptext" is also in {CONTEXT_SOURCE }
> )

I dont understand the sense of "\end\starttext" (I am simply seeking a
layout system which works better than Latex). 
> 
> I think that a bnf or lpeg grammar is really useful for a sort of
> standard-ConTeXt
> or minimal-ConTeXt or light-ConTeXt
> ie a ConTeXt to use as "reference"

Exactly what I need : standard, minimal and light

> but can be a bit hard to define
> 
> -- 
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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 29.04.2009 um 17:11 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

> I try to understand here, how to redo my chapter setup that once  
> worked using sectionworld commands.
> At the moment I get no output for the chapter title at all.
>
> My input reads:
>
> \Titel{Author}{Title}{Subtitle}


You never needed the sectionworld command for your own header command,
this solution is cleaner and works with mkii and mkiv.

\setuphead
   [chapter]
   [header=high,
    incrementnumber=no,
    command=\ChapterCommand,
    page=yes,
    number=no,
    align={flushleft,nothyphenated,verytolerant},
    style=]

\setuphead
   [title]
   [command=,
    style=\tfc]

\define\ChapterAuthor
   {\doiftext{\theChapterAuthor}
  	{\rm\tf\theChapterAuthor\crlf\vskip0.25em}}

\define\ChapterTitle
   {{\ss\bfb\theChapterTitle}}

\define\ChapterSubTitle
   {\doiftext{\theChapterSubTitle}
  	{\crlf\vskip0.2em\ss\bf\theChapterSubTitle}}

\define[2]\ChapterCommand
   {\doiftextelse{\theChapterAuthor}
      {\expanded{\writetolist[chapter]{}{\theChapterAuthor:  
\theChapterTitle}}}
      {\expanded{\writetolist[chapter]{}{\theChapterTitle}}}%
    \vbox{\ChapterAuthor\ChapterTitle\ChapterSubTitle}}

\let\theChapterAuthor  \relax
\let\theChapterTitle   \relax
\let\theChapterSubTitle\relax

\define[3]\Titel
   {\def\theChapterAuthor  {#1}%
    \def\theChapterTitle   {#2}%
    \def\theChapterSubTitle{#3}%
    \chapter{}}

\starttext

\completecontent

\Titel{Author}{Title}{Subtitle}

\stoptext

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:31:27 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster  
<schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> Am 29.04.2009 um 20:23 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد:
>
>> ok, thnx! OTOH, I did not see any illustrative examples of the use of
>> [optional user data]
>
> \setuphead[title][align=middle,command=\TitleCommand]
>
> \define[2]\TitleCommand
>    {\startframedtext[frame=off,width=\hsize,align=middle]
>     #2\hairline
>     \structureuservalue{author}\hfill\structureuservalue{date}
>     \stopframedtext}
>
> \starttext
>
> \startchapter[title={How to make Idris happy?},reference={sec:happy}] 
> [author={Wolfgang Schuster},date=\currentdate]
>
> It's not as hard you think, just show him a few nice things and he is  
> happy.
>
> See \in{section}[sec:happy] at \at{page}[sec:happy].
>
> \stopchapter
>
> \stoptext
>
> Are you now happy?

Indeed I am :D

Best wishes
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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

> Am 29.04.2009 um 20:23 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس  
> سماوي حامد:
>
>> ok, thnx! OTOH, I did not see any illustrative examples of the use of
>> [optional user data]
>
> \setuphead[title][align=middle,command=\TitleCommand]

\setuphead[chapter][align=middle,command=\TitleCommand]

> \define[2]\TitleCommand
>  {\startframedtext[frame=off,width=\hsize,align=middle]
>   #2\hairline
>   \structureuservalue{author}\hfill\structureuservalue{date}
>   \stopframedtext}
>
> \starttext
>
> \startchapter[title={How to make Idris happy?},reference={sec:happy}] 
> [author={Wolfgang Schuster},date=\currentdate]
>
> It's not as hard you think, just show him a few nice things and he  
> is happy.
>
> See \in{section}[sec:happy] at \at{page}[sec:happy].
>
> \stopchapter
>
> \stoptext
>
> Are you now happy?

Wolfgang

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 29.04.2009 um 20:23 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي  
حامد:

> ok, thnx! OTOH, I did not see any illustrative examples of the use of
> [optional user data]

\setuphead[title][align=middle,command=\TitleCommand]

\define[2]\TitleCommand
   {\startframedtext[frame=off,width=\hsize,align=middle]
    #2\hairline
    \structureuservalue{author}\hfill\structureuservalue{date}
    \stopframedtext}

\starttext

\startchapter[title={How to make Idris happy?},reference={sec:happy}] 
[author={Wolfgang Schuster},date=\currentdate]

It's not as hard you think, just show him a few nice things and he is  
happy.

See \in{section}[sec:happy] at \at{page}[sec:happy].

\stopchapter

\stoptext

Are you now happy?

Wolfgang

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Hans Hagen]

Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:38 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster 
> <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> \startchapter[title=,reference=,bookmark=,...][optional user data]
>>>
>>> Could you [or someone] give a couple of example of how to use
>>>
>>> [optional user data]
>>>
>>> Also, where in the base files does this stuff get defined? I could 
>>> not find it.
>>
>> strc-sec.tex
>>
>> start/stop commands are created with \definehead automatically
> 
> ok, thnx! OTOH, I did not see any illustrative examples of the use of
> [optional user data]
> 
> :-)

of course not .. its; new -)

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:14:38 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster  
<schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:

>> \startchapter[title=,reference=,bookmark=,...][optional user data]
>>
>> Could you [or someone] give a couple of example of how to use
>>
>> [optional user data]
>>
>> Also, where in the base files does this stuff get defined? I could not  
>> find it.
>
> strc-sec.tex
>
> start/stop commands are created with \definehead automatically

ok, thnx! OTOH, I did not see any illustrative examples of the use of
[optional user data]

:-)

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Idris

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 29.04.2009 um 17:07 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي  
حامد:

> Hi Wolfgang,
>
> On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:54:50 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>>> Anyway: which is the best method to get the list of all params
>>> one can give to \startSOMETHING  (in this case \startchapter and
>>> the meanings of this params (some are obvious : title= ..., but  
>>> not all).
>>
>> http://pragma-ade.nl/show-man-10.htm
>
> I did not see the ne sectioning there... Anyway

You're welcome to add missing command to cont-en.xml

> \startchapter[title=,reference=,bookmark=,...][optional user data]
>
> Could you [or someone] give a couple of example of how to use
>
> [optional user data]
>
> Also, where in the base files does this stuff get defined? I could  
> not find it.

strc-sec.tex

start/stop commands are created with \definehead automatically

Wolfgang

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[luigi scarso]

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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:46 PM, R. Bastian <rbastian@free.fr> wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:55:05 +0200
> luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> scribit:
>
> > >
> > >
> > > May be that ConTeXt is not a 'context free language'  ;-)
> > > than it will be difficult to express something in a BNF grammar
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus-Naur_form.
> > >
> > hmm.
> > Context is a macro package in TeX language which is Turing Complete.
> >
> >
> > > But if (ConTeXt == formal_language), it should be possible to
> > > develop TEXT, NUMBER, DIMENSION, REFERENCE, etc
> > > and also to add examples for "[optional user data]".
> > >
> > hmm
> > I'm not sure that ConTeXt == TeX (but it seems YES) ,
> > I'm nor sure that TeX is a context free language too,
> > in the sense that I never see a BNF grammar of TeX .
> (chap.24-26 of the Texbook are embryos of a grammar, but they are not
> usable
> like the grammar of Pascal or Python)
> > I suspect that TeX is not a cfl .
> >
> > Anyway,
> > lpeg can make the thing easier
> >
> > --
> > luigi
>


>
> I think that something user-friendly could be do in a cooperative wiki (in
> the between, i found
> http://texshow.contextgarden.net/) beginning with
>
> CONTEXT_SOURCE ::= PREAMBLE "\starttext" TEXT "\stoptext" | CONTEXT_SOURCE
> TEXT ::= STARTSTOPS | SETUPS | DEFINES | OTHERS [ TEXT
>
> and so on.
>
Consider that one can always make some dirty tricks in PREAMBLE to render
useless
"\starttext"
or "\stoptext"

To be general, i think
MY_CONTEXT_SOURCE ::= MACRO* END

For example , let's try
$>context test
where
test.tex ::="\end"
or
test.tex ::="FOO\end"

Are there any errors ? No
Is test.tex  in {CONTEXT_SOURCE } ? No
Is test.tex in {MY_CONTEXT_SOURCE} Yes
so MY_CONTEXT_SOURCE includes CONTEXT_SOURCE
(of course
test.tex ::="\end""\starttext""\stoptext" is also in {CONTEXT_SOURCE }
)

I think that a bnf or lpeg grammar is really useful for a sort of
standard-ConTeXt
or minimal-ConTeXt or light-ConTeXt
ie a ConTeXt to use as "reference"
but can be a bit hard to define

-- 
luigi

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[R. Bastian]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:55:05 +0200
luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> scribit:

> >
> >
> > May be that ConTeXt is not a 'context free language'  ;-)
> > than it will be difficult to express something in a BNF grammar
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus-Naur_form.
> >
> hmm.
> Context is a macro package in TeX language which is Turing Complete.
> 
> 
> > But if (ConTeXt == formal_language), it should be possible to
> > develop TEXT, NUMBER, DIMENSION, REFERENCE, etc
> > and also to add examples for "[optional user data]".
> >
> hmm
> I'm not sure that ConTeXt == TeX (but it seems YES) ,
> I'm nor sure that TeX is a context free language too,
> in the sense that I never see a BNF grammar of TeX .
(chap.24-26 of the Texbook are embryos of a grammar, but they are not usable
like the grammar of Pascal or Python)
> I suspect that TeX is not a cfl .
> 
> Anyway,
> lpeg can make the thing easier
> 
> -- 
> luigi

I think that something user-friendly could be do in a cooperative wiki (in the between, i found
http://texshow.contextgarden.net/) beginning with

CONTEXT_SOURCE ::= PREAMBLE "\starttext" TEXT "\stoptext" | CONTEXT_SOURCE
TEXT ::= STARTSTOPS | SETUPS | DEFINES | OTHERS [ TEXT

and so on.



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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[luigi scarso]

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>
>
> May be that ConTeXt is not a 'context free language'  ;-)
> than it will be difficult to express something in a BNF grammar
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus-Naur_form.
>
hmm.
Context is a macro package in TeX language which is Turing Complete.


> But if (ConTeXt == formal_language), it should be possible to
> develop TEXT, NUMBER, DIMENSION, REFERENCE, etc
> and also to add examples for "[optional user data]".
>
hmm
I'm not sure that ConTeXt == TeX (but it seems YES) ,
I'm nor sure that TeX is a context free language too,
in the sense that I never see a BNF grammar of TeX .
I suspect that TeX is not a cfl .

Anyway,
lpeg can make the thing easier

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[R. Bastian]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:07:53 -0600
Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد <ishamid@colostate.edu> scribit:

> Hi Wolfgang,
> 
> On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:54:50 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster  
> <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
> >> Anyway: which is the best method to get the list of all params
> >> one can give to \startSOMETHING  (in this case \startchapter and
> >> the meanings of this params (some are obvious : title= ..., but not  
> >> all).
> >
> > http://pragma-ade.nl/show-man-10.htm
> 
> I did not see the ne sectioning there... Anyway
> 
> \startchapter[title=,reference=,bookmark=,...][optional user data]
> 
> Could you [or someone] give a couple of example of how to use
> 
> [optional user data]
> 
> Also, where in the base files does this stuff get defined? I could not  
> find it.
> 
> Best wishes
> Idris
> 
> -- 
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> International Journal of Shi`i Studies
> Department of Philosophy
> Colorado State University
> Fort Collins, CO 80523

May be that ConTeXt is not a 'context free language'  ;-)
than it will be difficult to express something in a BNF grammar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus-Naur_form.

But if (ConTeXt == formal_language), it should be possible to
develop TEXT, NUMBER, DIMENSION, REFERENCE, etc
and also to add examples for "[optional user data]".

rb

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2009-04-29 um 15:53 schrieb Mohamed Bana:

> Would it be possible to go through a deprecation phase?  E.g., allow
>
>  \section hello world
>
> to compile, but prompt the user to acknowledge that it's going to be  
> replaced with \section{hello world} in future versions.

Please don't mix your concern about structurals without braces into  
this thread, would you please? Or is it the same topic?
I agree that it would be nice to know if commands disappear.


I try to understand here, how to redo my chapter setup that once  
worked using sectionworld commands.
At the moment I get no output for the chapter title at all.

My input reads:

\Titel{Author}{Title}{Subtitle}

The output as chapter title should become like:

\vbox{
{\rm\tf Author\crlf}
{\ss\bfb Title\crlf}
{\ss\bf Subtitle}
}

In the table of contents I need:

Author: Title \hfill pagenumber


So, using \startchapter, I define \Titel like this:

   \def\Titel#1#2#3{\startchapter[title={#2},bookmark={#2}] 
[author={#1},subtitle={#3}]}

I guess, even \startchapter should obey to \setuphead[chapter]:

\setuphead[chapter][
    header=high,
    incrementnumber=no,
    command=\ChapterCommand,
    page=yes, number=no,
    align={flushleft,nothyphenated,verytolerant},
    style=,]

Therefore I define (i.e. Wolfgang defined) \ChapterCommand like:

   \def\ChapterCommand#1#2{\vbox{\ChapterAuthor\ChapterTitle 
\ChapterSubTitle}}

While \ChapterAuthor cum suis is defined in a setup.
Now, what's the replacement for:

   \setupsectionworld[chapter][setups={chapter:list},author=]

I tried to adapt Wolfgang's code to Hans' sparse hints:

\unprotect
\resetvalue{\??sw\v!chapter}

\startsetups chapter:list

   \doiftextelse{\structureuservalue{author}}
     {\expanded{\writetolist[\v!chapter]
       {\structureuservalue{author}:\space
        \structurevalue{title}}{}}}
     {\expanded{\writetolist[\v!chapter]
       {\structurevalue{title}}{}}}

   \def\ChapterAuthor{%
   	\doiftextelse%
   	{\structureuservalue{author}}%
   	{\rm\tf\structureuservalue{author}\crlf\vskip0.25em}
   	{}%
   }
   \def\ChapterTitle{{\ss\bfb\structurevalue{title}}}
   \def\ChapterSubTitle{%
   	\doiftextelse%
   	{\structureuservalue{subtitle}}%
   	{\crlf\vskip0.2em\ss\bf\structureuservalue{subtitle}}%
   	{}%
   }

\stopsetups

\def\ChapterCommand#1#2{\vbox{\ChapterAuthor\ChapterTitle 
\ChapterSubTitle}}

% why is/was this needed?
\let\ChapterAuthor\relax
\let\ChapterTitle\relax
\let\ChapterSubTitle\relax

\protect


(The original code is still in http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Proceedings_style)


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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

Hi Wolfgang,

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:54:50 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster  
<schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:

>> Anyway: which is the best method to get the list of all params
>> one can give to \startSOMETHING  (in this case \startchapter and
>> the meanings of this params (some are obvious : title= ..., but not  
>> all).
>
> http://pragma-ade.nl/show-man-10.htm

I did not see the ne sectioning there... Anyway

\startchapter[title=,reference=,bookmark=,...][optional user data]

Could you [or someone] give a couple of example of how to use

[optional user data]

Also, where in the base files does this stuff get defined? I could not  
find it.

Best wishes
Idris

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Mohamed Bana]

Would it be possible to go through a deprecation phase?  E.g., allow

   \section hello world

to compile, but prompt the user to acknowledge that it's going to be 
replaced with \section{hello world} in future versions.

On 28/04/2009 19:53, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 28.04.2009 um 19:42 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
>
>> \setupsectionworld is unknown in latest beta (at least since some 
>> betas before).
>
> removed from mkiv a *long* time ago, there is now \startchapter etc.
>
> Wolfgang
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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Hans Hagen]

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> 
> Am 29.04.2009 um 10:24 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> 
>>> I don't understand how to use \startchapter[]{} ... \stopchapter for 
>>> my needs.
>>
>> \startchapter[title=,reference=,bookmark=,...][optional user data]
> 
> is optional data in keyval form or normal text and who to use
> own values for author, date etc. in titles (which was possible
> in sectionworld)

key = value

with \structureuservalue{key}, unless it's broken -)

the info travels with the list data as well so eventually it will be 
accessible everywhere


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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 29.04.2009 um 14:35 schrieb R. Bastian:

> The \startchapter does not exist in my MinimalContex installation, but
> I hope one can include it.

I dream from a world where people can whether they use MkII or MkIV
and what's the date of their ConTeXt version.

> Anyway: which is the best method to get the list of all params
> one can give to \startSOMETHING  (in this case \startchapter and
> the meanings of this params (some are obvious : title= ..., but not  
> all).

http://pragma-ade.nl/show-man-10.htm

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[R. Bastian]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:24:01 +0200
Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> scribit:

> 
> Am 29.04.2009 um 10:24 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> 
> >> I don't understand how to use \startchapter[]{} ... \stopchapter  
> >> for my needs.
> >
> > \startchapter[title=,reference=,bookmark=,...][optional user data]
> 
> is optional data in keyval form or normal text and who to use
> own values for author, date etc. in titles (which was possible
> in sectionworld)
> 
> Wolfgang
> 

The \startchapter does not exist in my MinimalContex installation, but
I hope one can include it.

Anyway: which is the best method to get the list of all params
one can give to \startSOMETHING  (in this case \startchapter and 
the meanings of this params (some are obvious : title= ..., but not all).


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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 29.04.2009 um 10:24 schrieb Hans Hagen:

>> I don't understand how to use \startchapter[]{} ... \stopchapter  
>> for my needs.
>
> \startchapter[title=,reference=,bookmark=,...][optional user data]

is optional data in keyval form or normal text and who to use
own values for author, date etc. in titles (which was possible
in sectionworld)

Wolfgang

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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Hans Hagen]

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 2009-04-28 um 20:53 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
> 
>>> \setupsectionworld is unknown in latest beta (at least since some 
>>> betas before).
>>
>> removed from mkiv a *long* time ago, there is now \startchapter etc.
> 
> 
> Long time in ConTeXt means less than a year...
> In 2008-08 Hans still wrote he wouldn't know if he would extend the 
> sectionworld in MkIV.
> 
> The discussion about \startsection ... \stopsection was in 2007!
> 
> I don't understand how to use \startchapter[]{} ... \stopchapter for my 
> needs.

\startchapter[title=,reference=,bookmark=,...][optional user data]

\stopchapter


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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2009-04-28 um 20:53 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

>> \setupsectionworld is unknown in latest beta (at least since some  
>> betas before).
>
> removed from mkiv a *long* time ago, there is now \startchapter etc.


Long time in ConTeXt means less than a year...
In 2008-08 Hans still wrote he wouldn't know if he would extend the  
sectionworld in MkIV.

The discussion about \startsection ... \stopsection was in 2007!

I don't understand how to use \startchapter[]{} ... \stopchapter for  
my needs.

Could you give me a hint what to look for?

I couldn't find \startchapter in the garden, and \startsection leads to
\startsectionblockenvironment (strc-sbe.tex, core-sec.tex)
\startsectionworld (core-swd.tex, doesn't mention it's not for MkIV)
\startsection (m-cweb.tex)


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Re: What happened with sectionworld?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 28.04.2009 um 19:42 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

> \setupsectionworld is unknown in latest beta (at least since some  
> betas before).

removed from mkiv a *long* time ago, there is now \startchapter etc.

Wolfgang

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What happened with sectionworld?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

\setupsectionworld is unknown in latest beta (at least since some  
betas before).

Can I replace it with some other command?

Here is some code using sectionworlds, that Wolfgang wrote for me in  
2008,
same as in http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Proceedings_style

% with help from Wolfgang Schuster, 2008-04-15
% start WS
\unprotect

\resetvalue{\??sw\v!chapter}

\startsetups chapter:list

\def\\{{\nomarking{\unskip\nolist\crlf}}}


   \doiftextelse{\sectionworldparameter\c!author}
     {\expanded{\writetolist[\v!chapter]
       {\sectionworldparameter\c!author:\space
        \sectionworldparameter\c!text}{}}}
     {\expanded{\writetolist[\v!chapter]
       {\sectionworldparameter\c!text}{}}}

   \def\ChapterAuthor{%
   	\doiftextelse%
   	{\sectionworldparameter\c!author}%
   	{\rm\tf\sectionworldparameter\c!author\crlf\vskip0.25em}
   	{}%
   }
   \def\ChapterTitle{{\ss\bfb\sectionworldparameter\c!text}}
   \def\ChapterSubTitle{%
   	\doiftextelse%
   	{\sectionworldparameter\c!subtitle}%
   	{\crlf\vskip0.2em\ss\bf\sectionworldparameter\c!subtitle}%
   	{}%
   }

\stopsetups

\setupsectionworld
   [chapter]
   [setups={chapter:list},
    author=]

\def\ChapterCommand#1#2%
   {\vbox{\ChapterAuthor\ChapterTitle\ChapterSubTitle}}

\let\ChapterAuthor\relax
\let\ChapterTitle\relax
\let\ChapterSubTitle\relax

\protect
% stop WS



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