From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/24701 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mojca Miklavec Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Character names Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:39:35 +0100 Message-ID: <6faad9f00512230539p1e6ba86flfe724874e556b037@mail.gmail.com> References: <6faad9f00512210619m2d45bai227752eb00d3f091@mail.gmail.com> <43A9801F.4020101@elvenkind.com> <6faad9f00512221700s4c200df9v6e2a0963304918b6@mail.gmail.com> <43ABEF42.1000005@elvenkind.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1135345185 6966 80.91.229.2 (23 Dec 2005 13:39:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Dec 23 14:39:44 2005 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Epn94-0002DT-RQ for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:39:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95649128E6; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:39:42 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02025-01-3; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:39:38 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A880128DE; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:39:38 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CF2128DE for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:39:37 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02025-01-2 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:39:36 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.192]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD538128D0 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:39:35 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o25so200610nfa for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:39:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KGFPNsPUMy+hYIpgTxDG1LHQAvbCewrEsDRBzsUKivfoh6M2miPnd6DH6JJoJtChO1beQBDuftYG1ZXImK1fKU6s/eBYeZUKjmbODY5kZ5vxM8oWPvHRG5i1oi0MYuH/RnVsFFW8SWpAGivs311PBO93oE68ORVLGuxrDwQQmTM= Original-Received: by 10.48.247.14 with SMTP id u14mr140017nfh; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:39:35 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.48.223.20 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:39:35 -0800 (PST) Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: <43ABEF42.1000005@elvenkind.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:24701 Archived-At: Taco Hoekwater wrote: > Mojca Miklavec wrote: > >>\NC 0300 COMBINING GRAVE ACCENT \NC \textgrave \NC \NR > >>\NC 0309 COMBINING HOOK ABOVE \NC \texthookabove \NC \NR > >>\NC 0303 COMBINING TILDE \NC \texttilde \NC \NR > >>\NC 0301 COMBINING ACUTE ACCENT \NC \textacute \NC \NR > >>\NC 0323 COMBINING DOT BELOW \NC \textbottomdot \NC \NR > > > > I may be wrong, but aren't those used only in combination with other > > characters? I don't know if TeX (ConTeXt) can handle this (at least > > not yet). > > If the format was , that would work, but unicode > specifies , and that cannot be done without a special > font encoding that uses lots of ligatures. I thought so. But the issue is not a matter of font designers, but of underlying software. If TeX can't "unget" a character and replace it with the accented one, you can't ask font designers to add dozens of ligatures. Knuth didn't write TeX with Unicode conventions in mind, so I can understand that, I only wonder if XeTeX, Aleph [and exTeX] support such accents. I'll consider this as "leave Windows Vietnamese encoding unsupported" (they have two other encodings anyway). Thanks, Mojca