combining multiple accents

combining multiple accents

[Mojca Miklavec]

Hello,

I always thought that "any accent can be placed on any character" in TeX.

However, probably due to some boxes, this fails to work sometimes.

So how can I create "a with cedilla and ring above" for example: \r{\c a}?
(Yes, I know that I can switch the order: \c{\r a} works as expected,
but I need to create more complicated cases in general and I don't
want to depend on whether the accent will be placed properly or not.)
Is there any simple cure for that?

Thanks a lot,
    Mojca

Re: combining multiple accents

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I always thought that "any accent can be placed on any character" in TeX.
>
> However, probably due to some boxes, this fails to work sometimes.
>
> So how can I create "a with cedilla and ring above" for example: \r{\c a}?
> (Yes, I know that I can switch the order: \c{\r a} works as expected,
> but I need to create more complicated cases in general and I don't
> want to depend on whether the accent will be placed properly or not.)
> Is there any simple cure for that?
>
>   
taco may know the limitations of \accent 

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Re: combining multiple accents

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hans Hagen wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> 
>>Hello,
>>
>>I always thought that "any accent can be placed on any character" in TeX.
>>
>>However, probably due to some boxes, this fails to work sometimes.
>>
>>So how can I create "a with cedilla and ring above" for example: \r{\c a}?
>>(Yes, I know that I can switch the order: \c{\r a} works as expected,
>>but I need to create more complicated cases in general and I don't
>>want to depend on whether the accent will be placed properly or not.)
>>Is there any simple cure for that?
>>
>>  
> 
> taco may know the limitations of \accent 

\accent only applies to characters, not the endresult of built-up
stuff resulting from \bottomaccent (like \c ). There is no simple
solution to this problem (where the font does not contain the needed
character).

Taco

Re: combining multiple accents

[Mojca Miklavec]

On 11/14/06, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Hans Hagen wrote:
> > Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> >
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >>I always thought that "any accent can be placed on any character" in TeX.
> >>
> >>However, probably due to some boxes, this fails to work sometimes.
> >>
> >>So how can I create "a with cedilla and ring above" for example: \r{\c a}?
> >>(Yes, I know that I can switch the order: \c{\r a} works as expected,
> >>but I need to create more complicated cases in general and I don't
> >>want to depend on whether the accent will be placed properly or not.)
> >>Is there any simple cure for that?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > taco may know the limitations of \accent
>
> \accent only applies to characters, not the endresult of built-up
> stuff resulting from \bottomaccent (like \c ). There is no simple
> solution to this problem (where the font does not contain the needed
> character).

Thanks a lot for the answer.

OK, so that basically means then:
- option A: use a suitable font from XeTeX and hope that one character
will be available there to place the other accent on top of it
- option B: create a bunch of definitions in the spirit of this one:
http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2005/012609.html
(so hard-coding all the needed accented letters)

For some reason I thought that TeX was more flexible in that respect
(I always believed in "put any accent over any character" philosophy),
but I'll manage to add those couple of letters somehow.

Thanks,
    Mojca

Re: combining multiple accents

[Taco Hoekwater]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> - option A: use a suitable font from XeTeX and hope that one character
> will be available there to place the other accent on top of it
> - option B: create a bunch of definitions in the spirit of this one:
> http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2005/012609.html
> (so hard-coding all the needed accented letters)

Yes

Best, Taco