* OpenType in Windows [not found] <mailman.1.1175680802.12474.ntg-context@ntg.nl> @ 2007-04-04 22:08 ` Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky 2007-04-05 0:06 ` George N. White III 2007-04-05 10:18 ` Mojca Miklavec 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky @ 2007-04-04 22:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context-request@ntg.nl Hello, I heard that Mac users can typeset in ConTeXt with OpenType fonts. Is it possible on Windows platform? (either in MiKTeX or TeXLive?) Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: OpenType in Windows 2007-04-04 22:08 ` OpenType in Windows Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky @ 2007-04-05 0:06 ` George N. White III 2007-04-05 10:18 ` Mojca Miklavec 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: George N. White III @ 2007-04-05 0:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Yatskovsky, mailing list for ConTeXt users On 4/4/07, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky <yatskovsky@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I heard that Mac users can typeset in ConTeXt with OpenType fonts. Is > it possible on Windows platform? (either in MiKTeX or TeXLive?) This uses xetex. It works for sure if you count running the linux version of TeX Live 2007 in a virtual machine, and very likely will work in native Win32, but I haven't tried it. Note that maths still uses the conventional math fonts (e.g., Type 1). -- George N. White III <aa056@chebucto.ns.ca> Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: OpenType in Windows 2007-04-04 22:08 ` OpenType in Windows Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky 2007-04-05 0:06 ` George N. White III @ 2007-04-05 10:18 ` Mojca Miklavec 2007-04-05 11:14 ` ConTeXt, XeTeX, ect was " Andrea Valle 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2007-04-05 10:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Yatskovsky, mailing list for ConTeXt users On 4/5/07, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote: > Hello, > > I heard that Mac users can typeset in ConTeXt with OpenType fonts. Is > it possible on Windows platform? (either in MiKTeX or TeXLive?) The easiest way to use OpenType fonts is to use XeTeX (luaTeX will support them as well, but you would need to wait a bit before it comes out). You can also use pdfTeX, but it's a bit painful to set up everything properly. TeXLive 2007 includes XeTeX, MikTeX will include it in version 2.7 (currently it's still at version 2.5 and 2.6 beta), so TeXLive (or standalone ConTeXt with some additional settings) is currently the best choice. See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Fonts_in_XeTeX (but please note that some high-level interface is currently broken if you install the latest ConTeXt; the version from TeXLive should be OK). You can use any font in the texmf tree or any font installed on the system. You might need to run fc-cache (and perhaps edit font.conf). Mojca ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* ConTeXt, XeTeX, ect was Re: OpenType in Windows 2007-04-05 10:18 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2007-04-05 11:14 ` Andrea Valle 2007-04-05 12:49 ` George N. White III 2007-04-05 13:23 ` Sanjoy Mahajan 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Andrea Valle @ 2007-04-05 11:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1723 bytes --] Hi, I'm a bit confused. Still can't have a clear frame of -TeX stuff. What does this exactly mean (from wikipedia)? XeTeX works well with both LaTeX and ConTeXt. Many thanks Best -a- On 5 Apr 2007, at 12:18, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > On 4/5/07, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I heard that Mac users can typeset in ConTeXt with OpenType fonts. Is >> it possible on Windows platform? (either in MiKTeX or TeXLive?) > > The easiest way to use OpenType fonts is to use XeTeX (luaTeX will > support them as well, but you would need to wait a bit before it comes > out). You can also use pdfTeX, but it's a bit painful to set up > everything properly. > > TeXLive 2007 includes XeTeX, MikTeX will include it in version 2.7 > (currently it's still at version 2.5 and 2.6 beta), so TeXLive (or > standalone ConTeXt with some additional settings) is currently the > best choice. > > See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Fonts_in_XeTeX (but please note that > some high-level interface is currently broken if you install the > latest ConTeXt; the version from TeXLive should be OK). > > You can use any font in the texmf tree or any font installed on the > system. You might need to run fc-cache (and perhaps edit font.conf). > > Mojca > _______________________________________________ > ntg-context mailing list > ntg-context@ntg.nl > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context -------------------------------------------------- Andrea Valle -------------------------------------------------- CIRMA - DAMS Università degli Studi di Torino --> http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ --> andrea.valle@unito.it -------------------------------------------------- [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 7246 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 139 bytes --] _______________________________________________ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt, XeTeX, ect was Re: OpenType in Windows 2007-04-05 11:14 ` ConTeXt, XeTeX, ect was " Andrea Valle @ 2007-04-05 12:49 ` George N. White III 2007-04-05 13:23 ` Sanjoy Mahajan 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: George N. White III @ 2007-04-05 12:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 4/5/07, Andrea Valle <valle@di.unito.it> wrote: > I'm a bit confused. Still can't have a clear frame of -TeX stuff. > > What does this exactly mean (from wikipedia)? > > > XeTeX works well with both LaTeX and ConTeXt. In the beginning there was tex, a program. I know people who create documents using low-level tex markup, but most people rely on a macro package to define high-level markup. In the early days, tex was often used with a simple macro package called "plain". Then, for people with nice minicomputers, Lamport wrote a macro package called LaTeX, which was used with the same tex program and remains popular today. ConTeXt includes yet another macro package, but is really a system with lots of useful tools. Along with the tex program, there was a system to create fonts, but meanwhile other font fomats have become widely adopted, and people have found ways to use these commercial fonts and formats with tex, but for the most part, fonts used with tex are separate from the system fonts and configuring a new font for use with tex is not a simple process. These days people rarely use the (current version of) the original tex program because we have pdftex, which can be used to format documents using the plain or latex or context macros to create .pdf directly as well as .dvi files, and xetex, which can also be used with the same list of macro packages to create .pdf or .xdv (replacement for .dvi). The main advantage of xetex is that it supports system fonts directly. It is, however, new, so there could be glitches. <http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=latex> has lots of useful information The xetex web site has examples and a FAQ. -- George N. White III <aa056@chebucto.ns.ca> Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt, XeTeX, ect was Re: OpenType in Windows 2007-04-05 11:14 ` ConTeXt, XeTeX, ect was " Andrea Valle 2007-04-05 12:49 ` George N. White III @ 2007-04-05 13:23 ` Sanjoy Mahajan 2007-04-05 13:59 ` luigi scarso 2007-04-05 15:12 ` Andrea Valle 1 sibling, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Sanjoy Mahajan @ 2007-04-05 13:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > What does this exactly mean (from wikipedia)? > "XeTeX works well with both LaTeX and ConTeXt." XeTeX, PDFTeX, eTeX, and TeX (Knuth's original TeX) are conceptually at the same level. The ConTeXt documents (and kpathsea) call this level the engine. They all understand basically the same macro language, the one Knuth described in the _TeXBook_. But they have slight differences. For example, TeX produces DVI output. eTeX does too but it adds a few more commands ('primitives') to the macro language. PDFTeX produces PDF directly (or can produce DVI) and has, relative to regular TeX, new macro commands to support features of PDF; for example, \pdfpagewidth is new to PDFTeX. Regular TeX doesn't have an equivalent because the DVI format does not include a notion of page size. PDFTeX, from v1.40, also incorporates those eTeX commands. And XeTeX has commands to support OpenType, which is the new standard font format. LaTeX and ConTeXt are large programs ('macro packages') written on top of the engine. Namely, the program -- whether LaTeX or ConTeXt -- is written in the macro language of the engine. Most of the program is independent of the engine, but there are a few changes needed; the program usually detects which engine is being used underneath it and adjusts what it does accordingly. For LaTeX, you choose the engine by the name of the program you run: * latex -- uses regular TeX (actually, now it uses PDFTeX pretending to be regular TeX) * pdflatex -- uses PDFTeX * xelatex -- uses XeTeX For ConTeXt, you choose the engine by the '--engine' option to texexec. For example: "texexec --engine=pdftex file.tex" will make you file.pdf. But as the manual entry now says, you usually do not need to specify the engine: --engine=texengine Specify the program to do the hard work of typesetting. Currently either pdftex (the default), xetex, or aleph. The luatex value is experimental. The --engine option is not usually needed. Instead, let texexec figure out the setting based on other command-line information. See for example the --xetex or --pdf switches. So * "texexec --xetex file.tex" : uses XeTeX * "texexec --pdf file.tex" : uses PDFTeX * "texexec file.tex" : also uses PDFTeX (the --pdf option is now the default to texexec) I hope this explanation clarifies. If so, you can Wikify (on wikipedia and/or the ConTeXt wiki)! -Sanjoy `Not all those who wander are lost.' (J.R.R. Tolkien) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt, XeTeX, ect was Re: OpenType in Windows 2007-04-05 13:23 ` Sanjoy Mahajan @ 2007-04-05 13:59 ` luigi scarso 2007-04-05 15:12 ` Andrea Valle 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2007-04-05 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 4/5/07, Sanjoy Mahajan <sanjoy@mrao.cam.ac.uk> wrote: > > What does this exactly mean (from wikipedia)? > > "XeTeX works well with both LaTeX and ConTeXt." > > XeTeX, PDFTeX, eTeX, and TeX (Knuth's original TeX) are conceptually > at the same level. The ConTeXt documents (and kpathsea) call this > level the engine. They all understand basically the same macro > language, the one Knuth described in the _TeXBook_. > > But they have slight differences. For example, TeX produces DVI > output. eTeX does too but it adds a few more commands ('primitives') > to the macro language. PDFTeX produces PDF directly (or can produce > DVI) and has, relative to regular TeX, new macro commands to support > features of PDF; for example, \pdfpagewidth is new to PDFTeX. Regular > TeX doesn't have an equivalent because the DVI format does not include > a notion of page size. PDFTeX, from v1.40, also incorporates those > eTeX commands. And XeTeX has commands to support OpenType, which is > the new standard font format. > > LaTeX and ConTeXt are large programs ('macro packages') written on top > of the engine. Namely, the program -- whether LaTeX or ConTeXt -- is > written in the macro language of the engine. Most of the program is > independent of the engine, but there are a few changes needed; the > program usually detects which engine is being used underneath it and > adjusts what it does accordingly. > > For LaTeX, you choose the engine by the name of the program you run: > > * latex -- uses regular TeX (actually, now it uses PDFTeX pretending > to be regular TeX) > * pdflatex -- uses PDFTeX > * xelatex -- uses XeTeX > > For ConTeXt, you choose the engine by the '--engine' option to > texexec. For example: "texexec --engine=pdftex file.tex" will make > you file.pdf. But as the manual entry now says, you usually do not > need to specify the engine: > > --engine=texengine > Specify the program to do the hard work of typesetting. > Currently either pdftex (the default), xetex, or aleph. > The luatex value is experimental. The --engine option > is not usually needed. Instead, let texexec figure out > the setting based on other command-line information. > See for example the --xetex or --pdf switches. > > So > * "texexec --xetex file.tex" : uses XeTeX > * "texexec --pdf file.tex" : uses PDFTeX > * "texexec file.tex" : also uses PDFTeX (the --pdf option is > now the default to texexec) > > I hope this explanation clarifies. If so, you can Wikify (on > wikipedia and/or the ConTeXt wiki)! > > -Sanjoy About luatex: see it as a new entry in the list XeTeX, PDFTeX, eTeX, and TeX ie luatex ,XeTeX, PDFTeX, eTeX, and TeX luatex add a script language (lua) to tex . Note that PDFTeX> eTeX> TeX (where 'A>B' means A include B) and that luatex > PDFTeX U Aleph. There is a bit of confusion about luatex: someone says "luatex will be pdftex2.0", someother says "pdftex will be frozen to 1.5 and there will be luatex". Given that I played with luatex, I prefer the second, or even "luatex will be pdftex4.0" luigi luigi ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt, XeTeX, ect was Re: OpenType in Windows 2007-04-05 13:23 ` Sanjoy Mahajan 2007-04-05 13:59 ` luigi scarso @ 2007-04-05 15:12 ` Andrea Valle 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Andrea Valle @ 2007-04-05 15:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3996 bytes --] Thanks Sanjoy for the exhaustive infos. I knew the relations among Tex, LaTeX and ConTeXt but couldn't understand at which level XeTeX was positioned. So, I was interested in XeTeX because (if I understood clearly) I can use resident fonts. Is it true? What I have to do in order to do this? Use the fonts in the source? Add a special command? Thanks a lot Best -a- On 5 Apr 2007, at 15:23, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: >> What does this exactly mean (from wikipedia)? >> "XeTeX works well with both LaTeX and ConTeXt." > > XeTeX, PDFTeX, eTeX, and TeX (Knuth's original TeX) are conceptually > at the same level. The ConTeXt documents (and kpathsea) call this > level the engine. They all understand basically the same macro > language, the one Knuth described in the _TeXBook_. > > But they have slight differences. For example, TeX produces DVI > output. eTeX does too but it adds a few more commands ('primitives') > to the macro language. PDFTeX produces PDF directly (or can produce > DVI) and has, relative to regular TeX, new macro commands to support > features of PDF; for example, \pdfpagewidth is new to PDFTeX. Regular > TeX doesn't have an equivalent because the DVI format does not include > a notion of page size. PDFTeX, from v1.40, also incorporates those > eTeX commands. And XeTeX has commands to support OpenType, which is > the new standard font format. > > LaTeX and ConTeXt are large programs ('macro packages') written on top > of the engine. Namely, the program -- whether LaTeX or ConTeXt -- is > written in the macro language of the engine. Most of the program is > independent of the engine, but there are a few changes needed; the > program usually detects which engine is being used underneath it and > adjusts what it does accordingly. > > For LaTeX, you choose the engine by the name of the program you run: > > * latex -- uses regular TeX (actually, now it uses PDFTeX > pretending > to be regular TeX) > * pdflatex -- uses PDFTeX > * xelatex -- uses XeTeX > > For ConTeXt, you choose the engine by the '--engine' option to > texexec. For example: "texexec --engine=pdftex file.tex" will make > you file.pdf. But as the manual entry now says, you usually do not > need to specify the engine: > > --engine=texengine > Specify the program to do the hard work of typesetting. > Currently either pdftex (the default), xetex, or aleph. > The luatex value is experimental. The --engine option > is not usually needed. Instead, let texexec figure out > the setting based on other command-line information. > See for example the --xetex or --pdf switches. > > So > * "texexec --xetex file.tex" : uses XeTeX > * "texexec --pdf file.tex" : uses PDFTeX > * "texexec file.tex" : also uses PDFTeX (the --pdf option is > now the default to texexec) > > I hope this explanation clarifies. If so, you can Wikify (on > wikipedia and/or the ConTeXt wiki)! > > -Sanjoy > > `Not all those who wander are lost.' (J.R.R. Tolkien) > _______________________________________________ > ntg-context mailing list > ntg-context@ntg.nl > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context -------------------------------------------------- Andrea Valle -------------------------------------------------- CIRMA - DAMS Università degli Studi di Torino --> http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ --> andrea.valle@unito.it -------------------------------------------------- I did this interview where I just mentioned that I read Foucault. Who doesn't in university, right? I was in this strip club giving this guy a lap dance and all he wanted to do was to discuss Foucault with me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little dance, or I can discuss Foucault, but not at the same time; too much information. (Annabel Chong) [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 15023 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 139 bytes --] _______________________________________________ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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