From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/49604 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mojca Miklavec Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Producing dvi Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:09:57 +0200 Message-ID: <6faad9f00904190709m63187afexd2a5048c2e6e172c@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EB0C90.3070903@wxs.nl> <49EB2877.4050503@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1240150250 30306 80.91.229.12 (19 Apr 2009 14:10:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:10:50 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Apr 19 16:12:10 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LvXkf-0007ir-Pu for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:12:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A6B1FD30; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:10:42 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22398-03-2; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:10:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3D71FCEF; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:10:08 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DEF1FCEF for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:10:06 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22398-03 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:09:59 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter3-nij.mf.surf.net (filter3-nij.mf.surf.net [195.169.124.154]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3831FCD7 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:09:59 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f176.google.com (mail-fx0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by filter3-nij.mf.surf.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3JE9w6R020579 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:09:58 +0200 Original-Received: by fxm24 with SMTP id 24so1665299fxm.2 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 07:09:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5ftnMmldDyNUF5T++94MsCROhUKdM66cZtq+44dNipo=; b=DmWRzLyQYj2ideofjS/gi9Fc7o7iYLdRgDvNs8rmSrvUzMIEFP4PH9owCJzkUB95qp KxxlOvNSW5+JwBqDmknqmtd4JX8AZTOG2jWAQrIL/lYn/VsQKVtwRrICZGI3UTLWjQ7Y ucnkTHj8h4GMVjQCVNdb8pBUIvNPIm5ag+EaM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=r4UlcQdW3oCW026ovoOePjVQyeMXJ1Bht1zjERXIUNocDXzgMrYG2QYIv6xmzFMYwk lyLU2BzSl9X+tpetRSJPkwdtgmZegICDd7naUqN+c+QjCdvyKUpTuqXaTBevbrUSuEzJ Mk/nROH8lqkhtrjtsDT3kg2IkIZ8gTvSOlEVs= Original-Received: by 10.223.109.19 with SMTP id h19mr1300902fap.20.1240150197748; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 07:09:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.220.176; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 210797465 - dd9c23d1c109 - 20090419 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 195.169.124.154 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:49604 Archived-At: On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 15:39, Michail Vidiassov wrote: > Dear Hans, > > On Sun, 19 Apr 2009, Hans Hagen wrote: > >>> If mkiv does not produce dvi (now? never will? not intended to?), >>> what about mkii? >> >> sure, mkii can produce dvi for several drivers > > And what about the first part of the question? > The (negative?) answer is implied in your other post, > but what is the official position (if any)? The problem is not writing DVI file per se, but conversion from DVI to some reasonable format (both ps and pdf are problematic). As soon as you want to use OpenType fonts and their features, dvips will not be able to convert the DVI to valid PS any more unless someone writes extension for it (which is very unlikely to happen). If you insist in DVI and OpenType fonts, you could just as well take a look at ConTeXt+XeTeX that is able to generate xdv files (extended dvi), but I can guarantee you problems. dvips is not able to handle XDV files. If Asymptote is not able to handle PDF files, maybe Asymptote itself would need extensions. (When I last tried to use Asymptote I gave up since I was not able to figure out how to install it and started using other tools.) But as far as I know, if the only critical step is conversion of font outlines into curves, gs is able to read PDF files as well. I see no reason why one would require PS unless one uses very basic techniques for document manipulation (it's a bit easier to parse and work with PS than it is to work with PDF, but when it's done inside a bigger project it probably pays off to support both; I guess that the overhead should not be that big). If you would like asymptote to handle ConTeXt labels you should start with mkii. But honestly: I don't really see when LaTeX for typesetting labels would not suffice. ConTeXt is extremely good at page formatting, but when it comes to typeset "$A$" for point labels, I would not mind using LaTeX (If it's only about OpenType you cannot do anything unless Asymptote gets extended, but even then you could use XeTeX.) There definitely are few exceptions and there's definitely an extremely good feeling if you're aware that the tool uses ConTeXt in the background ... but that's about all about it. But the answer to your question about mkiv and dvi remains: no, it won't be supported, unless someone provides sufficient funding or writes amazing/extremely useful tools that could cope with XDV format and do something useful with it. Feel free to search dev-luatex archives for lenghty discussions about the issue. Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________