spanish tilde-n lost

spanish tilde-n lost

[Ciro Soto]

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Hi all,
I finally got around the intallation of context minimals. Thank you for
those who helped. I ran my old tex files (in spanish) and found that \~n is
not working now.
It should create an n with a tilde on top, but what happens is that there is
no
letter printed at all.

What is the fix for this?  Any switch?
(I know I could use \char but I am looking for a more elegant solution)

thank you
Ciro

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Re: spanish tilde-n lost

[thfl]

On Jun 28, 2009, at 1:16 AM, Ciro Soto wrote:

> Hi all,
> I finally got around the intallation of context minimals. Thank you  
> for those who helped. I ran my old tex files (in spanish) and found  
> that \~n is not working now.
> It should create an n with a tilde on top, but what happens is that  
> there is no
> letter printed at all.
>
> What is the fix for this?  Any switch?
> (I know I could use \char but I am looking for a more elegant  
> solution)
>
> thank you
> Ciro
>

If you can do without MkII compatibility the most elegant solution may  
be to simply replace all instances of "\~n" with "ñ",
e.g. "co\~nazo" --> "coñazo".

Tom

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Re: spanish tilde-n lost

[Peter Münster]

On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, thfl@mac.com wrote:

> If you can do without MkII compatibility the most elegant solution may be to
> simply replace all instances of "\~n" with "ñ",
> e.g. "co\~nazo" --> "coñazo".

Works even with MKII, you only need to declare you character set, for
example:
\enableregime[utf]

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Re: spanish tilde-n lost

[thfl]

On Jun 28, 2009, at 7:30 AM, thfl@mac.com wrote:

>
> On Jun 28, 2009, at 1:16 AM, Ciro Soto wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I finally got around the intallation of context minimals. Thank you  
>> for those who helped. I ran my old tex files (in spanish) and found  
>> that \~n is not working now.
>> It should create an n with a tilde on top, but what happens is that  
>> there is no
>> letter printed at all.
>>
>> What is the fix for this?  Any switch?
>> (I know I could use \char but I am looking for a more elegant  
>> solution)
>>
>> thank you
>> Ciro
>>
>
> If you can do without MkII compatibility the most elegant solution  
> may be to simply replace all instances of "\~n" with "ñ",
> e.g. "co\~nazo" --> "coñazo".
>
> Tom
>

correction:

this even works in MkII also if you put a "\enableregime[utf]" in your  
file/environment.

Tom
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Re: spanish tilde-n lost

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 01:16, Ciro Soto wrote:
> Hi all,
> I finally got around the intallation of context minimals. Thank you for
> those who helped. I ran my old tex files (in spanish) and found that \~n is
> not working now.
> It should create an n with a tilde on top, but what happens is that there is
> no
> letter printed at all.

I guess that you are asking about MKIV since it seems to work OK in MKII.

> What is the fix for this?  Any switch?
> (I know I could use \char but I am looking for a more elegant solution)

The most elegant solution is to use just ñ and it should work out of
the box there.
But still I would ask Hans to add the following line to enco-ini.mkiv:

    \defineaccent ~ N {\Ntilde}        \defineaccent ~ n {\ntilde}

You can try to modify the file yourself, then run "context --make" and
it should start working.

(I always thought that these lines were "auto-generated" from Unicode
data on the fly.)

Mojca
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Re: spanish tilde-n lost

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 01:16, Ciro Soto wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I finally got around the intallation of context minimals. Thank you for
>> those who helped. I ran my old tex files (in spanish) and found that \~n is
>> not working now.
>> It should create an n with a tilde on top, but what happens is that there is
>> no
>> letter printed at all.
> 
> I guess that you are asking about MKIV since it seems to work OK in MKII.
> 
>> What is the fix for this?  Any switch?
>> (I know I could use \char but I am looking for a more elegant solution)
> 
> The most elegant solution is to use just ñ and it should work out of
> the box there.
> But still I would ask Hans to add the following line to enco-ini.mkiv:
> 
>     \defineaccent ~ N {\Ntilde}        \defineaccent ~ n {\ntilde}
> 
> You can try to modify the file yourself, then run "context --make" and
> it should start working.
> 
> (I always thought that these lines were "auto-generated" from Unicode
> data on the fly.)

not this one; the ntild probably got lost at some point during cleaning up

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Re: spanish tilde-n lost

[Ciro Soto]

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Thank you all.
This is the feedback of your recommendations:

\enableregime[utf]
didn't work.

typing just ñ
worked fine.

\defineaccent ~ n {\ntilde}
worked using \~n and

This last solution is the one I was looking for because my keyboard has no ñ

thanks

Ciro


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On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 01:16, Ciro Soto wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I finally got around the intallation of context minimals. Thank you for
>>> those who helped. I ran my old tex files (in spanish) and found that \~n
>>> is
>>> not working now.
>>> It should create an n with a tilde on top, but what happens is that there
>>> is
>>> no
>>> letter printed at all.
>>>
>>
>> I guess that you are asking about MKIV since it seems to work OK in MKII.
>>
>>  What is the fix for this?  Any switch?
>>> (I know I could use \char but I am looking for a more elegant solution)
>>>
>>
>> The most elegant solution is to use just ñ and it should work out of
>> the box there.
>> But still I would ask Hans to add the following line to enco-ini.mkiv:
>>
>>    \defineaccent ~ N {\Ntilde}        \defineaccent ~ n {\ntilde}
>>
>> You can try to modify the file yourself, then run "context --make" and
>> it should start working.
>>
>> (I always thought that these lines were "auto-generated" from Unicode
>> data on the fly.)
>>
>
> not this one; the ntild probably got lost at some point during cleaning up
>
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Re: spanish tilde-n lost

[Peter Münster]

On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, Ciro Soto wrote:

> This last solution is the one I was looking for because my keyboard has no ñ

You only need "dead_tilde" and "n" to build the "ñ".
Cheers, Peter

P.S.: I've just tried "dead_tilde" -> "dead_circumflex" -> "E", it works!
--->> Ễ

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Re: spanish tilde-n lost

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 16:31, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>
>> But still I would ask Hans to add the following line to enco-ini.mkiv:
>>
>>    \defineaccent ~ N {\Ntilde}        \defineaccent ~ n {\ntilde}
>>
>> (I always thought that these lines were "auto-generated" from Unicode
>> data on the fly.)
>
> not this one; the ntild probably got lost at some point during cleaning up

I would bet that not many people would use those characters if any,
but on the list quite some more characters are missing that exist in
Unicode:

Zcircumflex,
Ngrave, Wgrave,
Etilde, Vtilde, Ytilde,
Hdiaeresis, Tdiaeresis, Wdiaeresis, Xdiaeresis,
Gacute, Kacute, Macute, Pacute, Wacute, ...

(I stopped at acute, there are a few more accents ...)

But just repeating the pattern (\defineaccent ^ Z {\Zcircumflex})
would mean having to define new named entities. In MKII these would
not make any sense at all as there was no TeX encoding supporting
these characters. An alternative would be to define them directly from
Unicode data in MKIV.

I'm not suggesting that this needs to be added ... Extra low priority
task, or if someone else asks.

Mojca
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