* Re: How to make an accent
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@ 2009-11-01 13:11 ` Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky
2009-11-01 13:42 ` Mojca Miklavec
2009-11-01 14:23 ` \placefigure setups Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky
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From: Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky @ 2009-11-01 13:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 01.11.2009 13:00, ntg-context-request@ntg.nl wrote:
> If there is no suitable letter in Unicode you may:
> - try to use Unicode accent combining characters and complain if it doesn't work
> - this used to work not so long ago (well, during BachoTeX Hans has
> fixed it), but the second example behaves weird again:
> \buildtextaccent\textcircumflex{y}
> \buildtextaccent\textcircumflex{\schwa}
> so try with your letters and report if you stumble into problems problems.
>
Thanks. But before i try something weird, i want to explain. I need an
accent to indicate where pronunciation stress is. Is happens on Cyrillic
"а" letter:
Апроксимація (approximation)
So my goal is not to form a special letter, but to show a linguistic
feature of the word.
Maybe we have better way to do this?
Regards,
Vyatcheslav
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2009-11-01 13:11 ` How to make an accent Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky
@ 2009-11-01 13:42 ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2009-11-01 13:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 14:11, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> On 01.11.2009 13:00, ntg-context-request@ntg.nl wrote:
>>
>> If there is no suitable letter in Unicode you may:
>> - try to use Unicode accent combining characters and complain if it
>> doesn't work
>> - this used to work not so long ago (well, during BachoTeX Hans has
>> fixed it), but the second example behaves weird again:
>> \buildtextaccent\textcircumflex{y}
>> \buildtextaccent\textcircumflex{\schwa}
>> so try with your letters and report if you stumble into problems problems.
>>
>
> Thanks. But before i try something weird, i want to explain. I need an
> accent to indicate where pronunciation stress is. Is happens on Cyrillic "а"
> letter:
>
> Апроксимація (approximation)
>
> So my goal is not to form a special letter, but to show a linguistic feature
> of the word.
> Maybe we have better way to do this?
1. you can do
\def\myacute#1{\buildtextaccent\textacute{#1}}
Апроксим{\myacute а}ція
2. of course you can also define an ugly shortcut:
\catcode`'=\active
\let\'=\myacute
Апроксим\'ація
3. though in reality I would be most grateful if
\'а
would work out of the box (at least it mkiv) and generate accent over
whatever letter comes next. If glyph doesn't exist, it could just
place one over a.
Mojca
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* \placefigure setups
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From: Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky @ 2009-11-01 14:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
Hello,
Sorry for another newbie question, but how can I setup \placefigure so
that its caption appeared as "Рис. 1.1"?
That is, with "Рис." prefix and numbered by subsection?
Best regards,
Vyatcheslav
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From: Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky @ 2009-11-01 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
> 1. you can do
> \def\myacute#1{\buildtextaccent\textacute{#1}}
> Апроксим{\myacute а}ція
>
> 2. of course you can also define an ugly shortcut:
> \catcode`'=\active
> \let\'=\myacute
> Апроксим\'ація
>
> 3. though in reality I would be most grateful if
> \'а
> would work out of the box (at least it mkiv) and generate accent over
> whatever letter comes next. If glyph doesn't exist, it could just
> place one over a.
Thank you, Mojca. (1) works fine.
Before asking, I tried (3) option, but failed. Why it doesn't work? This
is the classic way.
Regards,
Vyatcheslav
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2009-11-01 14:31 ` How to make an accent Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky
@ 2009-11-01 15:33 ` Mojca Miklavec
2009-11-02 20:27 ` Arthur Reutenauer
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2009-11-01 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 15:31, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
>> 1. you can do
>> \def\myacute#1{\buildtextaccent\textacute{#1}}
>> Апроксим{\myacute а}ція
>>
>> 2. of course you can also define an ugly shortcut:
>> \catcode`'=\active
>> \let\'=\myacute
>> Апроксим\'ація
>>
>> 3. though in reality I would be most grateful if
>> \'а
>> would work out of the box (at least it mkiv) and generate accent over
>> whatever letter comes next. If glyph doesn't exist, it could just
>> place one over a.
>
> Thank you, Mojca. (1) works fine.
>
> Before asking, I tried (3) option, but failed. Why it doesn't work? This is
> the classic way.
Not sure, but if that letter exists in unicode and not in your font
... that might be the most probably cause. If not, read further.
In mkii it has never worked since Hans reimplemented the mechanism (it
was different from Knuth's) to enable choosing the right glyph - if
font encoding has some glyph, it comes from the font, else it gets
composed from accent and letter.
Maybe I'm wrong, but from what I remember you only get those
characters that indeed exist in Unicode and the whole set of allowed
combinations is defined somewhere in source (see enco-def.mkii). I
don't know what exactly needs to be done in mkiv.
In mkii it will never get changed; I don't remember too many
complaints, but the truth is that (all) the characters that people
need are usually covered. If any were missing, they were added to the
list.
4.) I indeed forgot the fourth option: you can also build a slightly
larger file with all letter-accent combinations that you possibly
need.
I would assume that mkiv just builds all the accent combinations (to
support "\v c" constructs) from Unicode specification. If you need
some special character with a special accent like those definitions in
enco-def.mkii ... then you need to ask someone else for mkiv since I
stayed behind of a time for quite a giant leap.
(Hans, why cannot I put any accent on \schwa any more?)
Mojca
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* Why formulas have space before but don't have space after
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From: Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky @ 2009-11-01 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
Hello everyone again,
There is a problem I encounter every time I use math and which drives me
mad. Why formulas have space before but don't have space after? What is
the most elegant way to dial with it?
In the following example, the expression is glued to the text that
follows (which is certanly unwanted):
Допустимо нам поставлена задача з'єднати три точки на площині, що не
лежать на одній прямій. Найпростішим рішенням такої задачі буде з'єднати
послідовно дані точки відрізками прямих ліній, причому крива, при такому
рішенні, буде апроксимуватися ламаною лінією. Рівняння прямих, що
приходять через дві задані точки, як відомо, мають вигляд:
$$(х−х_1)/(х_2−х_1)=(у−у1)/у2−у1),$$
де (х1, у1), (х2, у2) -- декартові координати першої і другої точок,
відповідно.
Best regards,
Vyatcheslav
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2009-11-01 15:02 ` Why formulas have space before but don't have space after Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2009-11-01 15:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> Hello everyone again,
>
> There is a problem I encounter every time I use math and which drives me
> mad. Why formulas have space before but don't have space after? What is
> the most elegant way to dial with it?
>
> In the following example, the expression is glued to the text that
> follows (which is certanly unwanted):
>
> Допустимо нам поставлена задача з'єднати три точки на площині, що не
> лежать на одній прямій. Найпростішим рішенням такої задачі буде з'єднати
> послідовно дані точки відрізками прямих ліній, причому крива, при такому
> рішенні, буде апроксимуватися ламаною лінією. Рівняння прямих, що
> приходять через дві задані точки, як відомо, мають вигляд:
>
> $$(х−х_1)/(х_2−х_1)=(у−у1)/у2−у1),$$
>
> де (х1, у1), (х2, у2) -- декартові координати першої і другої точок,
> відповідно.
\startformula(х−х_1)/(х_2−х_1)=(у−у1)/у2−у1),\stopformula
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From: Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky @ 2009-11-01 17:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
Thank you, friends, for answers.
To Hahns:
Can I make $$ envinroment behave like \startformula? In other words, to
redefine $$ to be substituted by \start-stop formula? Writing
\startformula and \stopformula every time is too verbose.
To Mojca:
OK, the current solution works for me. Don't want to complicate it
further, just want to point out that Knuth compatibility is broken :)
To Wolfgang:
\setuplabeltext[ua][figure=Рис. ] works fine indeed. But how to make it
numbered by subsection?
Thanks again
Vyatcheslav
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2009-11-01 17:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 18:08, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> Thank you, friends, for answers.
>
> To Mojca:
> OK, the current solution works for me. Don't want to complicate it further,
> just want to point out that Knuth compatibility is broken :)
I don't think so. You probably didn't get any output at all for that
character, right?
Knuth's 7-bit TeX doesn't support Cyrillic at all, so you probably get
no output either which makes it 100% compatible with what you get.
Mojca
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2009-11-01 18:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> Thank you, friends, for answers.
>
> To Hahns:
> Can I make $$ envinroment behave like \startformula? In other words, to
no
> redefine $$ to be substituted by \start-stop formula? Writing
> \startformula and \stopformula every time is too verbose.
well, time spent on markup is often way less that getting the content so
...
Hans
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From: Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky @ 2009-11-01 17:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hello,
I have a crazy idea: can I draw 2nd order curve in metapost, provided
that I know coordinates of 3 points: begin, center, end? And place
markers onto those points.
Regards,
Vyatcheslav
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