From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/17087 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Maurice Diamantini Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Now is the time for all... (Was: A simple project.) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:08:12 +0100 Message-ID: <720069C9-3867-11D9-884C-000A9595B57C@ensta.fr> References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1100675561 24305 80.91.229.6 (17 Nov 2004 07:12:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Maurice Diamantini Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Nov 17 08:12:25 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CUJzN-0005H1-00 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:12:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873AB127B7; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:12:23 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21653-05; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:12:22 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D6212784; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:12:22 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC66B12784 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:12:21 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21539-06-2 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:12:21 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ns1.ensta.fr (unknown [147.250.10.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CAE12778 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:12:20 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by ns1.ensta.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095B5313CFF for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:11:19 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ns1.ensta.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns1.ensta.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09724-07 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:11:17 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ensta.ensta.fr (ensta.ensta.fr [147.250.1.1]) by ns1.ensta.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802EE313CFB for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:11:17 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from [147.250.33.133] (mac-oc1 [147.250.33.133]) by ensta.ensta.fr (8.11.6/9.11.6) with ESMTP id iAH7BH908213; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:11:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:17087 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:17087 Now is the time for all... ... non Context user to be able to use ConTeXt without becomming TeX expert Following the remark from Dirar about finding the last texlive distrib, I think the Context system deserves the right of being a full independant distribution which can be used independently from the other standard xTeX distributions (e.g. TeTeX, Texlive, ..) The mytex system proposed by context is a first step in that direction, but it require a setup that strongly perturbate a concurent use of=20 LaTeX. So, I propose that besides the standard upgrade cont-tmf.zip for=20 context, Pragma propose =E0 **independant** "context" distribution which : 1 - ***doesn't use*** the standard kpath environment variables 2 - anticipate the addition for new architecture (eg. "linux" isn't an architecture name, use "powerpc-linux"=20 instead) What do need ConTeXt for itself ? 1 - an pdfetex (or pdfXXXtex) 2 - some fontes 3 - perl, ruby, tcl, ... 4 - Metapost 5 - the context "TeX macro files" As ConTeXt does improve much frequently than any standard LaTeX distribution, I suggest that it is easier to adapt the ConTeXt system to tetex from time to time (e.g. one time in a year) and becomme free to change the ConTeXt arborescence following the feeling from Hans. So that it will always be possible for a LaTeX user to download a full independant ConTeXt distribution, just source one of the provided setup.sh or setup.csh files, and run either the standard texlive old distribution, or its new dowloaded ConTeXt distribution without conflict. The objective is to had a line such source /xxx/context/setup.sh in my bashrc without worying if I (or other xTeX user) have to do either LaTeX or ConTeXt writing. Le 17 nov. 04, =E0 00:57, Dirar BOUGATEF a =E9crit : > I am wiling to do so, but i see that Texlive hasn't changed since=20 > 2003, and this is already the version i have installed 2 months ago. > > Is there a fresher version and does anyone knows the date where=20 > Texlive structure changed. I second this question. I look for the texlive2004 too, but didn't found it. -- Maurice Diamantini=