* Hyphenation in multi-language projects
@ 2022-09-12 15:11 Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context
2022-09-12 15:45 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2022-09-14 6:35 ` Max Chernoff via ntg-context
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From: Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context @ 2022-09-12 15:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,
please have a look at this minimal example.
The idea is to set the hyphenation for certain words regardless of the language that is used in the surrounding paragraphs.
In this example it should stay: «steff-en»
How do i set this to all non-english paragraphs (without using \hyphenation on each language-switch)?
Best,
Steffen
—
\starttext
\setuppapersize[A6][A6]
\mainlanguage[en]
\startexceptions
steff-en
\stopexceptions
english text english text english teste: steffen
\start\language[it]
italian text italian text italian teste: steffen
\stop
\start\language[it]\hyphenation{steff-en}
italian text italian text italian teste: steffen
\stop
\stoptext
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2022-09-12 15:11 Hyphenation in multi-language projects Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context
@ 2022-09-12 15:45 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2022-09-14 6:35 ` Max Chernoff via ntg-context
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From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2022-09-12 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Untested: try specifying the exceptions first, load mainlanguage later?
Or, use \hyphenation?
Have you tested any if these?
Or, you could use multiple exception blocks...
\startexceptions[it]
Steff-en
\stopexceptions
\startexceptions[en]
Steff-en
\stopexceptions
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Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> im Auftrag von Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Gesendet: Montag, 12. September 2022 17:11:55
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Cc: Steffen Wolfrum
Betreff: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects
Hi,
please have a look at this minimal example.
The idea is to set the hyphenation for certain words regardless of the language that is used in the surrounding paragraphs.
In this example it should stay: «steff-en»
How do i set this to all non-english paragraphs (without using \hyphenation on each language-switch)?
Best,
Steffen
—
\starttext
\setuppapersize[A6][A6]
\mainlanguage[en]
\startexceptions
steff-en
\stopexceptions
english text english text english teste: steffen
\start\language[it]
italian text italian text italian teste: steffen
\stop
\start\language[it]\hyphenation{steff-en}
italian text italian text italian teste: steffen
\stop
\stoptext
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2022-09-12 15:11 Hyphenation in multi-language projects Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context
2022-09-12 15:45 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
@ 2022-09-14 6:35 ` Max Chernoff via ntg-context
2022-09-14 6:40 ` Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context
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From: Max Chernoff via ntg-context @ 2022-09-14 6:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Steffen,
> The idea is to set the hyphenation for certain words regardless of the
> language that is used in the surrounding paragraphs.
>
> In this example it should stay: «steff-en»
>
> How do i set this to all non-english paragraphs (without using
> \hyphenation on each language-switch)?
You can use \replaceword:
\starttext
\setuppapersize[A6][A6]
\mainlanguage[en]
\replaceword[hyphenations][steffen][steff{-}{}{}en]
\setreplacements[hyphenations]
english text english text english teste: steffen steffen
\start\language[it]
italian text italian text italian teste: steffen steffen
\stop
\stoptext
-- Max
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2022-09-14 6:35 ` Max Chernoff via ntg-context
@ 2022-09-14 6:40 ` Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context
2022-09-14 6:50 ` Max Chernoff via ntg-context
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From: Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context @ 2022-09-14 6:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
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… \replaceword should be the correct way for proper hyphenation??
st.
> Am 14.09.2022 um 08:35 schrieb Max Chernoff <mseven@telus.net>:
>
>
> Hi Steffen,
>
>> The idea is to set the hyphenation for certain words regardless of the
>> language that is used in the surrounding paragraphs.
>>
>> In this example it should stay: «steff-en»
>>
>> How do i set this to all non-english paragraphs (without using
>> \hyphenation on each language-switch)?
>
> You can use \replaceword:
>
> \starttext
>
> \setuppapersize[A6][A6]
>
> \mainlanguage[en]
>
> \replaceword[hyphenations][steffen][steff{-}{}{}en]
> \setreplacements[hyphenations]
>
> english text english text english teste: steffen steffen
>
> \start\language[it]
> italian text italian text italian teste: steffen steffen
> \stop
>
> \stoptext
>
> -- Max
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@ 2022-09-14 6:50 ` Max Chernoff via ntg-context
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From: Max Chernoff via ntg-context @ 2022-09-14 6:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Steffen,
> … \replaceword should be the correct way for proper hyphenation??
Well I'm not sure if it's "correct", but it seems to work. Based on my
testing, having three subsequent sets of groups ({A}{B}{C}) is converted
to a discretionary. The discretionary hyphen "\-" is equivalent to the
Plain TeX command "\discretionary{-}{}{}", so
\replaceword[hyphenations][steffen][steff{-}{}{}en]
acts just like "steff\-en". TeX won't otherwise hyphenate a word with
discretionaries, so this means that "steff-en" will be the only allowable
hyphenation.
-- Max
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@ 2022-09-14 7:19 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2022-09-14 14:44 ` Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context
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From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2022-09-14 7:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Max
> Chernoff via ntg-context
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. September 2022 08:51
> An: ntg-context@ntg.nl
> Cc: Max Chernoff <mseven@telus.net>; context@st.estfiles.de
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects
>
> Hi Steffen,
>
> > … \replaceword should be the correct way for proper hyphenation??
>
> Well I'm not sure if it's "correct", but it seems to work. Based on my testing,
> having three subsequent sets of groups ({A}{B}{C}) is converted to a
> discretionary. The discretionary hyphen "\-" is equivalent to the Plain TeX
> command "\discretionary{-}{}{}", so
>
> \replaceword[hyphenations][steffen][steff{-}{}{}en]
>
> acts just like "steff\-en". TeX won't otherwise hyphenate a word with
> discretionaries, so this means that "steff-en" will be the only allowable
> hyphenation.
Just one caveat though. IIRC, Hans has mentioned that this kind of stuff is slower than using the hyphenation engine directly. (That's why he has reimplemented the ligature suppression mechanism on the hyphenation level, rather than acting on the node list.)
Best,
Denis
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@ 2022-09-14 14:44 ` Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context
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From: Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context @ 2022-09-14 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Isn’t there a way to list exceptions that will work in *all* languages?
Steffen
> Am 14.09.2022 um 09:19 schrieb Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Max
>> Chernoff via ntg-context
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. September 2022 08:51
>> An: ntg-context@ntg.nl
>> Cc: Max Chernoff <mseven@telus.net>; context@st.estfiles.de
>> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects
>>
>> Hi Steffen,
>>
>>> … \replaceword should be the correct way for proper hyphenation??
>>
>> Well I'm not sure if it's "correct", but it seems to work. Based on my testing,
>> having three subsequent sets of groups ({A}{B}{C}) is converted to a
>> discretionary. The discretionary hyphen "\-" is equivalent to the Plain TeX
>> command "\discretionary{-}{}{}", so
>>
>> \replaceword[hyphenations][steffen][steff{-}{}{}en]
>>
>> acts just like "steff\-en". TeX won't otherwise hyphenate a word with
>> discretionaries, so this means that "steff-en" will be the only allowable
>> hyphenation.
>
> Just one caveat though. IIRC, Hans has mentioned that this kind of stuff is slower than using the hyphenation engine directly. (That's why he has reimplemented the ligature suppression mechanism on the hyphenation level, rather than acting on the node list.)
>
> Best,
> Denis
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2022-09-14 14:44 ` Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context
@ 2022-09-14 14:54 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2022-09-14 17:38 ` Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context
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From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2022-09-14 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context; +Cc: denis.maier, pragma, context
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Steffen
> Wolfrum via ntg-context
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. September 2022 16:45
> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Cc: Steffen Wolfrum <context@st.estfiles.de>; Hans Hagen
> <pragma@wxs.nl>
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects
>
> Isn’t there a way to list exceptions that will work in *all* languages?
I thought that \hyphenation would work like that, or \startexceptions without a language code. Apparently that's not the case.
Denis
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* Re: Hyphenation in multi-language projects
2022-09-14 14:54 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
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From: Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context @ 2022-09-14 17:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: denis.maier; +Cc: Steffen Wolfrum, ntg-context, pragma
a bug?
st.
> Am 14.09.2022 um 16:54 schrieb denis.maier@unibe.ch:
>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Steffen
>> Wolfrum via ntg-context
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. September 2022 16:45
>> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>> Cc: Steffen Wolfrum <context@st.estfiles.de>; Hans Hagen
>> <pragma@wxs.nl>
>> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects
>>
>> Isn’t there a way to list exceptions that will work in *all* languages?
>
> I thought that \hyphenation would work like that, or \startexceptions without a language code. Apparently that's not the case.
>
> Denis
>
>
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* Re: Hyphenation in multi-language projects
2022-09-14 14:54 ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
2022-09-14 17:38 ` Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context
@ 2022-09-14 17:40 ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
2022-10-24 13:08 ` Fwd: " Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context
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From: Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context @ 2022-09-14 17:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Denis Maier via ntg-context; +Cc: Pablo Rodriguez
On 9/14/22 16:54, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>> [...]
>> Isn’t there a way to list exceptions that will work in *all*
>> languages?
>
> I thought that \hyphenation would work like that, or \startexceptions
> without a language code. Apparently that's not the case.
\hyphenation only works for the given language:
\hyphenation{macOS}
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\currentlanguage:
\hyphenatedword{macOS}
\startlanguage[fr]
\currentlanguage:
\hyphenatedword{macOS}
\stoplanguage
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
But I’d say that \registerhyphenationexception[macOS] was
language-independent for me some time ago. (Now it seems to work like
\hyphenation.)
In any case, \registerhyphenationexception seems to have issues with
ligatures:
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
\registerhyphenationexception[steff-en macOS]
\registerhyphenationexception[it][steff-en macOS]
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\currentlanguage:
\hyphenatedword{steffen macOS}
\startlanguage[it]
\currentlanguage:
\hyphenatedword{steffen macOS}
\stoplanguage
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
If there isn’t a command to add language-indepented hyphenation
exceptions or patterns, one for proper names (for people, products or
companies) would be really useful.
Just in case Hans or other wizard may take a look at this,
Pablo
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From: Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context @ 2022-10-24 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
>
> Von: Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
> Betreff: Aw: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects
> Datum: 14. September 2022 um 19:40:53 MESZ
> An: Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
> Kopie: Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es <mailto:oinos@gmx.es>>
> Antwort an: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
>
> On 9/14/22 16:54, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> Isn’t there a way to list exceptions that will work in *all*
>>> languages?
>>
>> I thought that \hyphenation would work like that, or \startexceptions
>> without a language code. Apparently that's not the case.
>
> \hyphenation only works for the given language:
>
> \hyphenation{macOS}
> \starttext
> \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
> \currentlanguage:
> \hyphenatedword{macOS}
>
> \startlanguage[fr]
> \currentlanguage:
> \hyphenatedword{macOS}
> \stoplanguage
> \stopTEXpage
> \stoptext
>
> But I’d say that \registerhyphenationexception[macOS] was
> language-independent for me some time ago. (Now it seems to work like
> \hyphenation.)
>
> In any case, \registerhyphenationexception seems to have issues with
> ligatures:
>
> \setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
> \registerhyphenationexception[steff-en macOS]
> \registerhyphenationexception[it][steff-en macOS]
>
> \starttext
> \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
> \currentlanguage:
> \hyphenatedword{steffen macOS}
>
> \startlanguage[it]
> \currentlanguage:
> \hyphenatedword{steffen macOS}
> \stoplanguage
> \stopTEXpage
> \stoptext
>
> If there isn’t a command to add language-indepented hyphenation
> exceptions or patterns, one for proper names (for people, products or
> companies) would be really useful.
>
> Just in case Hans or other wizard may take a look at this,
>
> Pablo
Hans, is there any news regarding Pablos wish?
Steffen
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2022-10-24 13:08 ` Fwd: " Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context
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From: Hans Hagen via ntg-context @ 2022-10-24 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Steffen Wolfrum, mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Hans Hagen
On 10/24/2022 3:08 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
>
>> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
>>
>> *Von: *Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl
>> <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
>> *Betreff: **Aw: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects*
>> *Datum: *14. September 2022 um 19:40:53 MESZ
>> *An: *Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl
>> <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
>> *Kopie: *Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es <mailto:oinos@gmx.es>>
>> *Antwort an: *mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl
>> <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
>>
>> On 9/14/22 16:54, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> Isn’t there a way to list exceptions that will work in *all*
>>>> languages?
>>>
>>> I thought that \hyphenation would work like that, or \startexceptions
>>> without a language code. Apparently that's not the case.
>>
>> \hyphenation only works for the given language:
>>
>> \hyphenation{macOS}
>> \starttext
>> \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
>> \currentlanguage:
>> \hyphenatedword{macOS}
>>
>> \startlanguage[fr]
>> \currentlanguage:
>> \hyphenatedword{macOS}
>> \stoplanguage
>> \stopTEXpage
>> \stoptext
>>
>> But I’d say that \registerhyphenationexception[macOS] was
>> language-independent for me some time ago. (Now it seems to work like
>> \hyphenation.)
>>
>> In any case, \registerhyphenationexception seems to have issues with
>> ligatures:
>>
>> \setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
>> \registerhyphenationexception[steff-en macOS]
>> \registerhyphenationexception[it][steff-en macOS]
>>
>> \starttext
>> \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
>> \currentlanguage:
>> \hyphenatedword{steffen macOS}
>>
>> \startlanguage[it]
>> \currentlanguage:
>> \hyphenatedword{steffen macOS}
>> \stoplanguage
>> \stopTEXpage
>> \stoptext
>>
>> If there isn’t a command to add language-indepented hyphenation
>> exceptions or patterns, one for proper names (for people, products or
>> companies) would be really useful.
>>
>> Just in case Hans or other wizard may take a look at this,
>>
>> Pablo
>
>
> Hans, is there any news regarding Pablos wish?
no, because I'm in a different tex mode ...
Hans
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread* Re: Fwd: Hyphenation in multi-language projects
2022-10-24 15:09 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
@ 2022-10-24 16:15 ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
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From: Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context @ 2022-10-24 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Hans Hagen via ntg-context; +Cc: Pablo Rodriguez
On 10/24/22 17:09, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
>> [...]
>> Hans, is there any news regarding Pablos wish?
> no, because I'm in a different tex mode ...
Steffen,
meanwhile, a way of crappy cheating...
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional]
\doloopoverlist{en,nl,de,es,it,fr,da,fi}
{\registerhyphenationexception[\recursestring][Joha-nnes]}
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\nl \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\de \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\es \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\language[it] \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\language[fi] \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\fr \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\da \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\\
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
Ugly code, but it might do the trick in some scenarios.
Just in case it might work,
Pablo
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