From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/90155 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith J. 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Basically, a highlight allows one so setup a font style and color to be = applied to it contents. The problem is that is this REALLY a Highlight!=20 A style and color is applied so, what we have is a use color and style! would it not be better to call it definecharstyle or definetextstyle For compatibility we could use keep the definehighlight as a synonym. As to setting up defaults, the question is their a generic usage of such = ways of for so called highlights. These are, basically, by those that: 1) like this much fluff 2) idiosyncratic terminology 1) is supposed to avoided! And basically makes ConTeXt look like Word! The use of another way of defining a command for the standard font = styles is proof enough for 2. Also, not everybody would want the predefined = styles and colors so they will have to be changed in the setuphighlight anyway! The use of such a command is convient, but we should think about the = nomenclature! The nomenclature should reflect what it does. We can have synonyms to = satisfy the semantic usage of it! regards Keith > Am 07.02.2015 um 13:53 schrieb Hans Hagen : >=20 [snip, snip] > Anyway, the problem with predefined highlights is that we won't = overload existing commands by default, so redefining is not an option in = the core. >=20 > An option is to provide a set like: >=20 > \unprotect >=20 > \definehighlight[\v!italic ][\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\v!italic]= > \definehighlight[\v!bold ][\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\v!bold] > = \definehighlight[\v!bolditalic][\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\v!bolditali= c] > \definehighlight[\v!mono] [\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\v!mono] > \definehighlight[\v!monobold] [\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\v!monobol= d] >=20 > \definehighlight[important] [\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\v!bold] > \definehighlight[unimportant] [\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!color=3Ddarkgray] > \definehighlight[warning] = [\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\v!bold,\c!color=3Ddarkblue] > \definehighlight[error] = [\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\v!bold,\c!color=3Ddarkred] >=20 > \protect >=20 > \starttext >=20 > \highlight[italic] {italic} > \highlight[bolditalic] {bolditalic} > \highlight[bold] {bold} > \highlight[mono] {mono} > \highlight[monobold] {monobold} > \highlight[important] {important} > \highlight[unimportant]{unimportant} > \highlight[warning] {warning} > \highlight[error] {error} >=20 > \stoptext >=20 > Keep in mind that coding in terms of 'emph' is rather useless with = respect to highlights. Highlights relate to structure (while \it = doesn't) so you need tags like 'important' and so. --Apple-Mail=_006EFD35-AAA8-4BDD-A9E9-EF98DE867D0C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi Hans, Irdis, All,

It might sound like splitting hairs, but I find we should be = careful how we call this beast!

Basically, a highlight allows one so = setup a font style and color to be applied
to it = contents.

The = problem is that is this REALLY a Highlight! 
A style and color is applied so, what = we have is a use color and style!

would it not be better to call = it
definecharstyle
or
definetextstyle

For compatibility we could use keep the definehighlight as a = synonym.

As to = setting up defaults, the question is their a generic usage of such ways = of
for so called highlights. These are, basically, = by those that:
1) like this much fluff
2) idiosyncratic terminology

1) is supposed to avoided! And = basically makes ConTeXt look like Word!

The use of another way of defining a = command for the standard font styles
is proof = enough for 2. Also, not everybody would want the predefined styles and = colors
so they will have to be changed in the = setuphighlight anyway!

The use of such a command is convient, but we should think = about the nomenclature!
The nomenclature should = reflect what it does. We can have synonyms to satisfy the
semantic usage of it!

regards
= Keith

Am = 07.02.2015 um 13:53 schrieb Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:

[snip, snip]

Anyway, the problem with predefined highlights = is that we won't overload existing commands by default, so redefining is = not an option in the core.

An option is to provide a = set like:

\unprotect

\definehighlight[\v!italic =    ][\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\v!italic]
\definehighlight[\v!bold =      ][\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\v!bold]
\definehighlight[\v!bolditalic][\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\= v!bolditalic]
\definehighlight[\v!mono] =      [\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\v!mono]
\definehighlight[\v!monobold] =  [\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\v!monobold]

\definehighlight[important] =    [\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\v!bold]
\definehighlight[unimportant] =  [\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!color=3Ddarkgray]
\definehighlight[warning] = [\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\v!bold,\c!color=3Ddarkblue]
\definehighlight[error] = [\c!command=3D\v!no,\c!style=3D\v!bold,\c!color=3Ddarkred]

\protect

\starttext

   \highlight[italic] =     {italic}
   \highlight[bolditalic] = {bolditalic}
   \highlight[bold] =       {bold}
   \highlight[mono] =       {mono}
   \highlight[monobold] =   {monobold}
   \highlight[important] =  {important}
   \highlight[unimportant]{unimportant}   \highlight[warning] =    {warning}
   \highlight[error] =      {error}

\stoptext

Keep in mind that coding in terms of 'emph' is = rather useless with respect to highlights. Highlights relate to = structure (while \it doesn't) so you need tags like 'important' and = so.

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