XML roundtripping

XML roundtripping

[Denis Maier]

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Hi everyone

I am setting up a workflow for a journal where we will be using JATS XML as
an input format. PDFs should be typeset via ConTeXt. Is roundtripping
possible with ConTeXt? I will perhaps need to write page numbers back to a
XML file (either to the input file or to a new file.).

Best,
Denis

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Re: XML roundtripping

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/14/2019 9:38 AM, Denis Maier wrote:
> Hi everyone
> 
> I am setting up a workflow for a journal where we will be using JATS XML 
> as an input format. PDFs should be typeset via ConTeXt. Is roundtripping 
> possible with ConTeXt? I will perhaps need to write page numbers back to 
> a XML file (either to the input file or to a new file.).
it all depends on where the number comes from; saving a number is a file 
that later gets loaded by something else is no big deal

also, there is always the tuc file one can analyze

Hans


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Re: XML roundtripping

[Denis Maier]

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Hmm, getting the page number back from the tuc file sound feasible. I'll
have to look into this.

But how would I write the information back to the XML? Is this explained
somewhere?

Am Mi., 15. Mai 2019 um 09:19 Uhr schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:

> On 5/14/2019 9:38 AM, Denis Maier wrote:
> > Hi everyone
> >
> > I am setting up a workflow for a journal where we will be using JATS XML
> > as an input format. PDFs should be typeset via ConTeXt. Is roundtripping
> > possible with ConTeXt? I will perhaps need to write page numbers back to
> > a XML file (either to the input file or to a new file.).
> it all depends on where the number comes from; saving a number is a file
> that later gets loaded by something else is no big deal
>
> also, there is always the tuc file one can analyze
>
> Hans
>
>
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Re: XML roundtripping

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/15/2019 12:57 PM, Denis Maier wrote:
> Hmm, getting the page number back from the tuc file sound feasible. I'll 
> have to look into this.
> 
> But how would I write the information back to the XML? Is this explained 
> somewhere?
all depends on the workflow ... why does it need to be written back?


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Re: XML roundtripping

[Denis Maier]

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Our workflow is not settled yet; we're still discussing options. All
depends upon what is possible ...

That being said, for the purpose of displaying the articles online we'll
need every article in a separate XML file. The question is if and how we
will produce a PDF version containing a whole volume (we'll probably need
one PDF for the whole volume and also PDFs for each article).

One option would be:
- merge the articles into a single XML,
- typeset from there
- split the PDF
(Hence my question here,
https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2019/095011.html).

Another option could be:
- Typeset each article individually.
- Get the last page number => in the next article, set the first page
number to this + 1
(So, we do not necessarily need to write the page numbers back to the XML,
but we'll somehow need to pass the page number to the next article in the
chain.)


Am Mi., 15. Mai 2019 um 14:46 Uhr schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:

> On 5/15/2019 12:57 PM, Denis Maier wrote:
> > Hmm, getting the page number back from the tuc file sound feasible. I'll
> > have to look into this.
> >
> > But how would I write the information back to the XML? Is this explained
> > somewhere?
> all depends on the workflow ... why does it need to be written back?
>
>
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Re: XML roundtripping

[Mica Semrick]

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If your web requirement is single XML files per article, you should be able to feed ConTeXt multiple XML files and typeset them as one PDF.

On May 15, 2019 7:35:47 AM PDT, Denis Maier <maier.de@gmail.com> wrote:
>Our workflow is not settled yet; we're still discussing options. All
>depends upon what is possible ...
>
>That being said, for the purpose of displaying the articles online
>we'll
>need every article in a separate XML file. The question is if and how
>we
>will produce a PDF version containing a whole volume (we'll probably
>need
>one PDF for the whole volume and also PDFs for each article).
>
>One option would be:
>- merge the articles into a single XML,
>- typeset from there
>- split the PDF
>(Hence my question here,
>https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2019/095011.html).
>
>Another option could be:
>- Typeset each article individually.
>- Get the last page number => in the next article, set the first page
>number to this + 1
>(So, we do not necessarily need to write the page numbers back to the
>XML,
>but we'll somehow need to pass the page number to the next article in
>the
>chain.)
>
>
>Am Mi., 15. Mai 2019 um 14:46 Uhr schrieb Hans Hagen
><j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
>
>> On 5/15/2019 12:57 PM, Denis Maier wrote:
>> > Hmm, getting the page number back from the tuc file sound feasible.
>I'll
>> > have to look into this.
>> >
>> > But how would I write the information back to the XML? Is this
>explained
>> > somewhere?
>> all depends on the workflow ... why does it need to be written back?
>>
>>
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Re: XML roundtripping

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/15/2019 4:35 PM, Denis Maier wrote:
> Our workflow is not settled yet; we're still discussing options. All 
> depends upon what is possible ...
> 
> That being said, for the purpose of displaying the articles online we'll 
> need every article in a separate XML file. The question is if and how we 
> will produce a PDF version containing a whole volume (we'll probably 
> need one PDF for the whole volume and also PDFs for each article).
> 
> One option would be:
> - merge the articles into a single XML,
> - typeset from there
> - split the PDF
> (Hence my question here, 
> https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2019/095011.html).

you can create a master xml file with includes and process the lots in 
one go ... this is quite convenient when you assemble for instance books 
from chapters that are split into sections ... you can make a xml file 
per chapter that includes the sections and then a book file that loads 
them all ... files can have a processing instruction telling what styel 
to load and you can run individual files or assemblies ... all the stuff 
needed to do that is there (and probably also documented someplace)

anyway, you can always save '\lastpage' during a run ... or you can have 
some shared lua file with chapters/pagenumbers that gets updated by the 
current run

all this is workflow dependent but all can be done without too much hassle

(fwiw: we have some cases where for one projects hundreds of xml files 
get merged runtime and then processed ... the overhead is neglectable to 
the run)

> Another option could be:
> - Typeset each article individually.
> - Get the last page number => in the next article, set the first page 
> number to this + 1
> (So, we do not necessarily need to write the page numbers back to the 
> XML, but we'll somehow need to pass the page number to the next article 
> in the chain.)
> 
> 
> Am Mi., 15. Mai 2019 um 14:46 Uhr schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl 
> <mailto:j.hagen@xs4all.nl>>:
> 
>     On 5/15/2019 12:57 PM, Denis Maier wrote:
>      > Hmm, getting the page number back from the tuc file sound
>     feasible. I'll
>      > have to look into this.
>      >
>      > But how would I write the information back to the XML? Is this
>     explained
>      > somewhere?
>     all depends on the workflow ... why does it need to be written back?
> 
> 
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Re: XML roundtripping

[nyssus]

On 15/05/2019 15:35, Denis Maier wrote:
> Another option could be:
> - Typeset each article individually.
> - Get the last page number => in the next article, set the first page
> number to this + 1
> (So, we do not necessarily need to write the page numbers back to the XML,
> but we'll somehow need to pass the page number to the next article in the
> chain.)
Shouldn't products, components, and environments provide a way of doing
that from the ConTeXt side?
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Re: XML roundtripping

[Denis Maier]

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Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> schrieb am Mi., 15. Mai 2019, 18:32:

> On 5/15/2019 4:35 PM, Denis Maier wrote:
> > Our workflow is not settled yet; we're still discussing options. All
> > depends upon what is possible ...
> >
> > That being said, for the purpose of displaying the articles online we'll
> > need every article in a separate XML file. The question is if and how we
> > will produce a PDF version containing a whole volume (we'll probably
> > need one PDF for the whole volume and also PDFs for each article).
> >
> > One option would be:
> > - merge the articles into a single XML,
> > - typeset from there
> > - split the PDF
> > (Hence my question here,
> > https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2019/095011.html).
>
> you can create a master xml file with includes and process the lots in
> one go ... this is quite convenient when you assemble for instance books
> from chapters that are split into sections ... you can make a xml file
> per chapter that includes the sections and then a book file that loads
> them all ... files can have a processing instruction telling what styel
> to load and you can run individual files or assemblies ... all the stuff
> needed to do that is there (and probably also documented someplace)
>

Ok. Sounds good. How can I call the style in the xml files? I know that I
can process a file with \xmlprocessfile or call it from the command line
with --env=, and in a normal tex-file I could obviously use \environment
for this,  but how does this work with xml?



> anyway, you can always save '\lastpage' during a run ... or you can have
> some shared lua file with chapters/pagenumbers that gets updated by the
> current run
>
> all this is workflow dependent but all can be done without too much hassle
>
> (fwiw: we have some cases where for one projects hundreds of xml files
> get merged runtime and then processed ... the overhead is neglectable to
> the run)
>
> > Another option could be:
> > - Typeset each article individually.
> > - Get the last page number => in the next article, set the first page
> > number to this + 1
> > (So, we do not necessarily need to write the page numbers back to the
> > XML, but we'll somehow need to pass the page number to the next article
> > in the chain.)
> >
> >
> > Am Mi., 15. Mai 2019 um 14:46 Uhr schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl
> > <mailto:j.hagen@xs4all.nl>>:
> >
> >     On 5/15/2019 12:57 PM, Denis Maier wrote:
> >      > Hmm, getting the page number back from the tuc file sound
> >     feasible. I'll
> >      > have to look into this.
> >      >
> >      > But how would I write the information back to the XML? Is this
> >     explained
> >      > somewhere?
> >     all depends on the workflow ... why does it need to be written back?
> >
> >
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Re: XML roundtripping

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/15/2019 10:31 PM, Denis Maier wrote:
> 
> 
> Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl <mailto:j.hagen@xs4all.nl>> schrieb am 
> Mi., 15. Mai 2019, 18:32:
> 
>     On 5/15/2019 4:35 PM, Denis Maier wrote:
>      > Our workflow is not settled yet; we're still discussing options. All
>      > depends upon what is possible ...
>      >
>      > That being said, for the purpose of displaying the articles
>     online we'll
>      > need every article in a separate XML file. The question is if and
>     how we
>      > will produce a PDF version containing a whole volume (we'll probably
>      > need one PDF for the whole volume and also PDFs for each article).
>      >
>      > One option would be:
>      > - merge the articles into a single XML,
>      > - typeset from there
>      > - split the PDF
>      > (Hence my question here,
>      > https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2019/095011.html).
> 
>     you can create a master xml file with includes and process the lots in
>     one go ... this is quite convenient when you assemble for instance
>     books
>     from chapters that are split into sections ... you can make a xml file
>     per chapter that includes the sections and then a book file that loads
>     them all ... files can have a processing instruction telling what styel
>     to load and you can run individual files or assemblies ... all the
>     stuff
>     needed to do that is there (and probably also documented someplace)
> 
> 
> Ok. Sounds good. How can I call the style in the xml files? I know that 
> I can process a file with \xmlprocessfile or call it from the command 
> line with --env=, and in a normal tex-file I could obviously use 
> \environment for this,  but how does this work with xml?


<?context-directive job ctxfile somefile.ctx?>

with "somefile.ctx" being:

<?xml version='1.0' standalone='yes'?>

<ctx:job>
     <ctx:message>My very special style</ctx:message>
     <ctx:process>
         <ctx:flags>
             <!-- ctx:flag>purge</ctx:flag -->
         </ctx:flags>
         <ctx:resources>
             <ctx:environment>whatever.tex</ctx:environment>
         </ctx:resources>
     </ctx:process>
</ctx:job>


> 
> 
>     anyway, you can always save '\lastpage' during a run ... or you can
>     have
>     some shared lua file with chapters/pagenumbers that gets updated by the
>     current run
> 
>     all this is workflow dependent but all can be done without too much
>     hassle
> 
>     (fwiw: we have some cases where for one projects hundreds of xml files
>     get merged runtime and then processed ... the overhead is
>     neglectable to
>     the run)
> 
>      > Another option could be:
>      > - Typeset each article individually.
>      > - Get the last page number => in the next article, set the first
>     page
>      > number to this + 1
>      > (So, we do not necessarily need to write the page numbers back to
>     the
>      > XML, but we'll somehow need to pass the page number to the next
>     article
>      > in the chain.)
>      >
>      >
>      > Am Mi., 15. Mai 2019 um 14:46 Uhr schrieb Hans Hagen
>     <j.hagen@xs4all.nl <mailto:j.hagen@xs4all.nl>
>      > <mailto:j.hagen@xs4all.nl <mailto:j.hagen@xs4all.nl>>>:
>      >
>      >     On 5/15/2019 12:57 PM, Denis Maier wrote:
>      >      > Hmm, getting the page number back from the tuc file sound
>      >     feasible. I'll
>      >      > have to look into this.
>      >      >
>      >      > But how would I write the information back to the XML? Is this
>      >     explained
>      >      > somewhere?
>      >     all depends on the workflow ... why does it need to be
>     written back?
>      >
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Re: XML roundtripping

[Denis Maier]

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Ok. Have tried it. It seems to work on line 2.

Where can I find documentation about these ctx files?

Denis Maier <maier.de@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 16. Mai 2019, 12:27:

> <?context-directive job ctxfile somefile.ctx?>
>>
>
> Just after the xml declaration? Like on line 2?
>
>
>>
>> with "somefile.ctx" being:
>>
>> <?xml version='1.0' standalone='yes'?>
>>
>> <ctx:job>
>>      <ctx:message>My very special style</ctx:message>
>>      <ctx:process>
>>          <ctx:flags>
>>              <!-- ctx:flag>purge</ctx:flag -->
>>          </ctx:flags>
>>          <ctx:resources>
>>              <ctx:environment>whatever.tex</ctx:environment>
>>          </ctx:resources>
>>      </ctx:process>
>> </ctx:job>
>>
>

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