* Traditional Chinese Typesetting (almost complete)
@ 2007-04-27 9:04 Zhichu Chen
2007-04-27 9:16 ` luigi scarso
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From: Zhichu Chen @ 2007-04-27 9:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi, everybody
Based on the core codes of ConTeXt and all helps from you guys, I've almost
finished a module that can typeset traditional Chinese books. I put an
example on http://zhichu.chen.googlepages.com/chinesevertical
I also made a first five chapters of a famous novel---Stone Legend---which
locates at:
http://zhichu.chen.googlepages.com/SL.pdf
I hope somebody who is interested in Chinese could help me to release my
module.
--
Best Regards
Chen
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread* Re: Traditional Chinese Typesetting (almost complete) 2007-04-27 9:04 Traditional Chinese Typesetting (almost complete) Zhichu Chen @ 2007-04-27 9:16 ` luigi scarso 2007-04-27 13:02 ` Zhichu Chen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2007-04-27 9:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > I hope somebody who is interested in Chinese could help me to release my > module. My 2 cents http://www.logosrl.it/context/modules/2007-04-17/singles/font-chi_ebook.pdf luigi ---------------------------------------------------------------- If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Traditional Chinese Typesetting (almost complete) 2007-04-27 9:16 ` luigi scarso @ 2007-04-27 13:02 ` Zhichu Chen 2007-04-27 15:10 ` Aditya Mahajan ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Zhichu Chen @ 2007-04-27 13:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2253 bytes --] Hi luigi Actually, my module should not be called as "module," it's just an extension to Hans' Chinese module. My module only defined some macros to handle some strange needs of Chinese traditional book style. Hans' "\startvertical . . . \stopvertical" pair couldn't typeset that style very well, so I \setupunicodefont[chinese] to change its command option and define my own commands to handle chinese glyphs to avoid conflictions. I really hope Hans could add my module as a third part module in case some Chinese guys could typeset nice traditional Chinese books. Before that, I will cleasing some rubbish---actually, a lot---of my module. What else should I do? On 4/27/07, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I hope somebody who is interested in Chinese could help me to release my > > module. > My 2 cents > > http://www.logosrl.it/context/modules/2007-04-17/singles/font-chi_ebook.pdf > > > luigi > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry > to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > -- Best Regards Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------- Zhi-chu Chen | Shanghai Synchrotron Radiation Facility No. 2019 | Jialuo Rd. | Jiading | Shanghai | P.R. China tel: 086 21 5955 3405 | zhichu.chen.googlepages.com | www.sinap.ac.cn ---------------------------------------------------------------- [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3915 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Traditional Chinese Typesetting (almost complete) 2007-04-27 13:02 ` Zhichu Chen @ 2007-04-27 15:10 ` Aditya Mahajan 2007-04-27 15:23 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2007-04-27 15:47 ` luigi scarso 2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2007-04-27 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Zhichu Chen wrote: > Hi luigi > > Actually, my module should not be called as "module," it's just an extension > to Hans' Chinese module. My module only defined some macros to handle some > strange needs of Chinese traditional book style. Hans' "\startvertical . . . > \stopvertical" pair couldn't typeset that style very well, so I > \setupunicodefont[chinese] to change its command option and define my own > commands to handle chinese glyphs to avoid conflictions. A module need not be big. Even small code, which is not trivial and will be frequently used should be released as a module. See http://source.contextgarden.net/tex/context/base/m-narrowtt.tex Surely, you module will have more lines of code :) > I really hope Hans could add my module as a third part module in case some > Chinese guys could typeset nice traditional Chinese books. I can not understand a word of chinese, but the output looks beautiful. After you have cleaned up the code, release it on modules.contextgarden.net and add a page on the wiki about chinese (if there is one), so that the new users can find the module more easily. > Before that, I will cleasing some rubbish---actually, a lot---of my module. > What else should I do? Add some documentation, both for the user interface and explaining your code. The documentation can be written as comments starting with %D and can be processed using texexec --module filename. Aditya > On 4/27/07, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > I hope somebody who is interested in Chinese could help me to release my >> > module. >> My 2 cents >> >> http://www.logosrl.it/context/modules/2007-04-17/singles/font-chi_ebook.pdf >> >> >> luigi >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry >> to the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net >> archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to >> the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net >> archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> > > > > -- Aditya Mahajan | EECS Systems, University of Michigan http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~adityam | Ph: 734.262.4008 ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Traditional Chinese Typesetting (almost complete) 2007-04-27 13:02 ` Zhichu Chen 2007-04-27 15:10 ` Aditya Mahajan @ 2007-04-27 15:23 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2007-04-27 15:47 ` luigi scarso 2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2007-04-27 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:02:10 +0800 "Zhichu Chen" <zhichu.chen@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi luigi > > Actually, my module should not be called as "module," it's just an extension > to Hans' Chinese module. My module only defined some macros to handle some > strange needs of Chinese traditional book style. Hans' "\startvertical . . . > \stopvertical" pair couldn't typeset that style very well, so I > \setupunicodefont[chinese] to change its command option and define my own > commands to handle chinese glyphs to avoid conflictions. > > I really hope Hans could add my module as a third part module in case some > Chinese guys could typeset nice traditional Chinese books. > > Before that, I will cleasing some rubbish---actually, a lot---of my module. > What else should I do? > Hi Chen, can you put your module on your webspace with a few comments about what is not perfect, can be done better ... I don't know if I have time than to look into the code but it would be nice to see what happende since December and it is also a box lesson for users. Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Traditional Chinese Typesetting (almost complete) 2007-04-27 13:02 ` Zhichu Chen 2007-04-27 15:10 ` Aditya Mahajan 2007-04-27 15:23 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2007-04-27 15:47 ` luigi scarso 2007-04-27 18:07 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2007-04-27 15:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > Before that, I will cleasing some rubbish---actually, a lot---of my module. > What else should I do? If possible, also put some indications about fonts you used (better if free) (eg. http://www.logosrl.it/context/modules/chinese-ttf.tgz ) -- luigi ---------------------------------------------------------------- If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Traditional Chinese Typesetting (almost complete) 2007-04-27 15:47 ` luigi scarso @ 2007-04-27 18:07 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2007-04-27 18:18 ` luigi scarso 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2007-04-27 18:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:47:35 +0200 "luigi scarso" <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote: > > Before that, I will cleasing some rubbish---actually, a lot---of my module. > > What else should I do? > If possible, also put some indications about fonts you used (better if free) > (eg. > http://www.logosrl.it/context/modules/chinese-ttf.tgz > ) > > -- > luigi Hi Luigi, he used the Truetype fonts from cwTeX, a chinese TeX version. You can download the fonts from [1]. There is also a nice manual on the cwTeX Homepage [2], my problem is I cannot understand anything. Can you say a little bit about you chinese font package before I have to download the zip file. [1] http://cle.linux.org.tw/fonts/cwttf/ [2] http://homepage.ntu.edu.tw/~ntut019/cwtex/cwtex.html Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Traditional Chinese Typesetting (almost complete) 2007-04-27 18:07 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2007-04-27 18:18 ` luigi scarso 2007-04-27 23:17 ` Zhichu Chen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2007-04-27 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > There is also a nice manual on the cwTeX Homepage [2], my problem is I > cannot understand anything. yes, chines is ..complex. > > Can you say a little bit about you chinese font package before I have > to download the zip file. Sorry i'm a bit in a hurry. Please search for "Lutz" in context mailing list (eg gmane.comp.tex.context at http://www.gmane.com) luigi ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Traditional Chinese Typesetting (almost complete) 2007-04-27 18:18 ` luigi scarso @ 2007-04-27 23:17 ` Zhichu Chen 2007-04-28 6:24 ` Patrick Gundlach 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Zhichu Chen @ 2007-04-27 23:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2276 bytes --] Hi everybody, Sorry for replying so late. I'm in a different time zone. I just get up and after sending this mail, I'll take about 2 hours to office. Yes, I use cwTeX fonts which are claimed under GPL. These fonts are first made in Type 1 format and then converted to truetype format. Maybe it's too big, so when embedding ttf fonts into pdf, the process is very very slow. So, I download both ttf and type1 format fonts, and use Hans' ttf2uni.rbscript on the ttf files and get the tfm, enc, afm and map files, and I changed the map files to use type1 files. Then it's much more faster. I think I could upload all the files except type1 fonts to my web site (the fonts are too big, google page seems only have 100MB at most). Hi Wolfgang, after I've disappeared for a century, I rewrite the module because I could not use Hans' module to handle inter-text postils. I've learned a lot from you. On 4/28/07, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote: > > > There is also a nice manual on the cwTeX Homepage [2], my problem is I > > cannot understand anything. > yes, chines is ..complex. > > > > Can you say a little bit about you chinese font package before I have > > to download the zip file. > Sorry i'm a bit in a hurry. > Please search for "Lutz" in context mailing list > (eg gmane.comp.tex.context at http://www.gmane.com) > > luigi > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > -- Best Regards Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------- Zhi-chu Chen | Shanghai Synchrotron Radiation Facility No. 2019 | Jialuo Rd. | Jiading | Shanghai | P.R. China tel: 086 21 5955 3405 | zhichu.chen.googlepages.com | www.sinap.ac.cn ---------------------------------------------------------------- [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3603 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Traditional Chinese Typesetting (almost complete) 2007-04-27 23:17 ` Zhichu Chen @ 2007-04-28 6:24 ` Patrick Gundlach 2007-04-28 10:57 ` Zhichu Chen 2007-05-03 12:58 ` Zhichu Chen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2007-04-28 6:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context > changed the map files to use type1 files. Then it's much more faster. I > think I could upload all the files except type1 fonts to my web site (the > fonts are too big, google page seems only have 100MB at most). If you tell me a location of the fonts on the web (and send me your additional files), we could put it on contextgarden. Patrick ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Traditional Chinese Typesetting (almost complete) 2007-04-28 6:24 ` Patrick Gundlach @ 2007-04-28 10:57 ` Zhichu Chen 2007-05-03 12:58 ` Zhichu Chen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Zhichu Chen @ 2007-04-28 10:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1656 bytes --] Hi, Patrick I've packed the fonts (although they can be downloaded somewhere, but it's too big so I've deleted many unnecessary files) and support files, it's about 53.6M. I have tried to upload to my google page, but it failed for like 1000 times. I'll see if I can find an FTP to save it temporary. On 4/28/07, Patrick Gundlach <patrick@gundla.ch> wrote: > > > > > changed the map files to use type1 files. Then it's much more faster. I > > think I could upload all the files except type1 fonts to my web site > (the > > fonts are too big, google page seems only have 100MB at most). > > If you tell me a location of the fonts on the web (and send me your > additional files), we could put it on contextgarden. > > Patrick > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > -- Best Regards Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------- Zhi-chu Chen | Shanghai Synchrotron Radiation Facility No. 2019 | Jialuo Rd. | Jiading | Shanghai | P.R. China tel: 086 21 5955 3405 | zhichu.chen.googlepages.com | www.sinap.ac.cn ---------------------------------------------------------------- [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2842 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Traditional Chinese Typesetting (almost complete) 2007-04-28 6:24 ` Patrick Gundlach 2007-04-28 10:57 ` Zhichu Chen @ 2007-05-03 12:58 ` Zhichu Chen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Zhichu Chen @ 2007-05-03 12:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1630 bytes --] Hi Patrick, I've uploaded the fonts to the CTeX ftp: ftp://ftp.ctex.org/pub/tex/fonts/cwTeX and I've sent my module to Wolfgang to see if he has any suggestions. If any of you feel interested in my module, I will put my module on my website although it's still not perfect. On 4/28/07, Patrick Gundlach <patrick@gundla.ch> wrote: > > > > > changed the map files to use type1 files. Then it's much more faster. I > > think I could upload all the files except type1 fonts to my web site > (the > > fonts are too big, google page seems only have 100MB at most). > > If you tell me a location of the fonts on the web (and send me your > additional files), we could put it on contextgarden. > > Patrick > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > -- Best Regards Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------- Zhi-chu Chen | Shanghai Synchrotron Radiation Facility No. 2019 | Jialuo Rd. | Jiading | Shanghai | P.R. China tel: 086 21 5955 3405 | zhichu.chen.googlepages.com | www.sinap.ac.cn ---------------------------------------------------------------- [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3658 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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