Placing meaningful footnotes

Placing meaningful footnotes

[Zhichu Chen]

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Hi everybody,

Right now I'm writing an article and in the title's block I wanna thank
somebody and in the authors' block I wanna display the email addresses. And
I want them done with footnotes with "set 2" conversion. When I use
===========================================
\definenote[thanks][conversion=set 2]
\definenote[email]
  [conversion=set 2,
   textstyle=type]
===========================================
The footnotes are shown with two areas, one for the \thanks and another for
the \email, and they all started with "*" symbol, I mean there're two
footnotes noted by star-symbol. I know I can just use
\setupfootnotes[conversion=set 2] and do all my job by only using \footnote
macro, but it's just of curiosity, can I use those meaningful macros to do
continuously numbered footnotes and displayed only one area at the bottom of
the page.



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Re: Placing meaningful footnotes

[Wolfgang Schuster]

2007/12/17, Zhichu Chen <zhichu.chen@gmail.com>:
> Hi everybody,
>
> Right now I'm writing an article and in the title's block I wanna thank
> somebody and in the authors' block I wanna display the email addresses. And
> I want them done with footnotes with "set 2" conversion. When I use
> ===========================================
> \definenote[thanks][conversion=set 2]
> \definenote[email]
>   [conversion=set 2,
>    textstyle=type]
> ===========================================
> The footnotes are shown with two areas, one for the \thanks and another for
> the \email, and they all started with "*" symbol, I mean there're two
> footnotes noted by star-symbol. I know I can just use
> \setupfootnotes[conversion=set 2] and do all my job by only using \footnote
> macro, but it's just of curiosity, can I use those meaningful macros to do
> continuously numbered footnotes and displayed only one area at the bottom of
> the page.

Hi Chen,

I took a quick look at the source and it seems this is not possible,
but you define
email as macro and call thank in the expansion text.

\def\email#1{\thanks{\type{#1}}} or better
\def\email#1{\thanks{\hyphenatedurl{#1}}} % breaks at the line end

Wolfgang
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Re: Placing meaningful footnotes

[Zhichu Chen]

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Thanks Wolfgang,

I looked at the source a little bit but all macros are defined with
insertion and I don't know how to make them share a same counter. Maybe we
need a new \definerelatednote macro.

Anyway, your suggestion makes sense.

On Dec 18, 2007 5:59 PM, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>
wrote:

> 2007/12/17, Zhichu Chen <zhichu.chen@gmail.com>:
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > Right now I'm writing an article and in the title's block I wanna thank
> > somebody and in the authors' block I wanna display the email addresses.
> And
> > I want them done with footnotes with "set 2" conversion. When I use
> > ===========================================
> > \definenote[thanks][conversion=set 2]
> > \definenote[email]
> >   [conversion=set 2,
> >    textstyle=type]
> > ===========================================
> > The footnotes are shown with two areas, one for the \thanks and another
> for
> > the \email, and they all started with "*" symbol, I mean there're two
> > footnotes noted by star-symbol. I know I can just use
> > \setupfootnotes[conversion=set 2] and do all my job by only using
> \footnote
> > macro, but it's just of curiosity, can I use those meaningful macros to
> do
> > continuously numbered footnotes and displayed only one area at the
> bottom of
> > the page.
>
> Hi Chen,
>
> I took a quick look at the source and it seems this is not possible,
> but you define
> email as macro and call thank in the expansion text.
>
> \def\email#1{\thanks{\type{#1}}} or better
> \def\email#1{\thanks{\hyphenatedurl{#1}}} % breaks at the line end
>
> Wolfgang
>
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>
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>



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Chen
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Re: Placing meaningful footnotes

[Wolfgang Schuster]

2007/12/18, Zhichu Chen <zhichu.chen@gmail.com>:
> Thanks Wolfgang,
>
> I looked at the source a little bit but all macros are defined with
> insertion and I don't know how to make them share a same counter. Maybe we
> need a new \definerelatednote macro.
>
> Anyway, your suggestion makes sense.

You could try to look into the definition and description macros,
Aditya provided
souch a feature for enumerations to use the same number for different
environments,
the float mechanism has something similliar to use one number for
different floats.

You try to start with these moduls and adapt it to the note machanism.

Wolfgang
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Re: Placing meaningful footnotes

[Zhichu Chen]

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On Dec 19, 2007 7:54 PM, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>
wrote:

> 2007/12/18, Zhichu Chen <zhichu.chen@gmail.com>:
> > Thanks Wolfgang,
> >
> > I looked at the source a little bit but all macros are defined with
> > insertion and I don't know how to make them share a same counter. Maybe
> we
> > need a new \definerelatednote macro.
> >
> > Anyway, your suggestion makes sense.
>
> You could try to look into the definition and description macros,
> Aditya provided
> souch a feature for enumerations to use the same number for different
> environments,
> the float mechanism has something similliar to use one number for
> different floats.
>
> You try to start with these moduls and adapt it to the note machanism.

Yes, I would love to do that. But I have some politics things to read. I
have to remember them in one month. So please forgive my laziness. After
then, I will have time to test luatex on Chinese and some other interesting
things like the Weiqi module or the footnote we are talking about.

>
>
> Wolfgang
>
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>



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Re: Placing meaningful footnotes

[Wolfgang Schuster]

> > You try to start with these moduls and adapt it to the note machanism.

> Yes, I would love to do that. But I have some politics things to read. I
> have to remember them in one month. So please forgive my laziness. After
> then, I will have time to test luatex on Chinese and some other interesting
> things like the Weiqi module or the footnote we are talking about.

I think you're also interested in the following link, there is module
for LaTeX and
plain TeX to write gezhu (intertextpostil) with XeTeX.

http://code.google.com/p/gezhu/

I have myself also no time to write any code for the second version of
the weiqi module.

Wolfgang
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Re: Placing meaningful footnotes

[Zhichu Chen]

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On Dec 19, 2007 10:06 PM, Wolfgang Schuster <
schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:

> > > You try to start with these moduls and adapt it to the note machanism.
>
> > Yes, I would love to do that. But I have some politics things to read. I
> > have to remember them in one month. So please forgive my laziness. After
> > then, I will have time to test luatex on Chinese and some other
> interesting
> > things like the Weiqi module or the footnote we are talking about.
>
> I think you're also interested in the following link, there is module
> for LaTeX and
> plain TeX to write gezhu (intertextpostil) with XeTeX.
>
> http://code.google.com/p/gezhu/

I knew it. It's an excellent job, actually it uses hbox rather than vbox.
And it end a paragraph to get the horizontal position with \lastbox before
the intertextpostil and then it can test whether or not the postil could fit
the rest of the line.

Anyway, in the ancient Chinese people's defense, one column is just one
page. They write things on a piece of long narrow bamboo from top to bottom
and weave them from right to left. So I still think I should use a \box255
to store one column and change the \output routine to weave them on a page.
But it's a little slow when using page arrangement so I guess I should
design a new algorithm myself to make it useful. And the intertextpostil
would use multicolumn with ConTeXt easily with no hacks.

> <http://code.google.com/p/gezhu/>
>
> I have myself also no time to write any code for the second version of
> the weiqi module.
>
> Wolfgang
>
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>



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