* bib module in pdftex and luatex
@ 2007-12-21 12:06 Thomas A. Schmitz
2007-12-21 12:47 ` Hans Hagen
2007-12-21 13:37 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2007-12-21 12:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi all (esp. Taco ;-),
here's a very fundamental question about the bib-module: my main bib
file now has ~ 1,700 entries. When I tried to compile a file which
includes bibliographic references in mkii, I got this error:
! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [hash size=60000].
\@@shortsectionnumber ...\c!conversion \endcsname
\relax \@EA \ifx
\csname \...
\@@longsectionnumber ...\@@shortsectionnumber {#1}
\fi
\finalsectionnumber ...alue {\@@sectie \c!number }
\fi \fi
\dodododoconstructhead ...er {\someheadconversion
}\getvalue {\??ko
#1\c!inb...
l.162 \section{Textausgaben}
! ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
The same file compiles without errors in mkiv. So I'm curious: Is it
possible that the bib file is just too large for mkii? Or is it more
probable that there's some error in it such as missing crossref etc?
Does anyone have experience with large bib files and the bib module?
Thanks, and best wishes
Thomas
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2007-12-21 12:06 bib module in pdftex and luatex Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2007-12-21 12:47 ` Hans Hagen
2007-12-21 13:22 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2007-12-21 13:37 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2007-12-21 12:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> Hi all (esp. Taco ;-),
>
> here's a very fundamental question about the bib-module: my main bib
> file now has ~ 1,700 entries. When I tried to compile a file which
> includes bibliographic references in mkii, I got this error:
>
> ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [hash size=60000].
> \@@shortsectionnumber ...\c!conversion \endcsname
> \relax \@EA \ifx
> \csname \...
>
> \@@longsectionnumber ...\@@shortsectionnumber {#1}
> \fi
> \finalsectionnumber ...alue {\@@sectie \c!number }
> \fi \fi
> \dodododoconstructhead ...er {\someheadconversion
> }\getvalue {\??ko
> #1\c!inb...
> l.162 \section{Textausgaben}
>
> ! ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
>
> The same file compiles without errors in mkiv. So I'm curious: Is it
> possible that the bib file is just too large for mkii? Or is it more
> probable that there's some error in it such as missing crossref etc?
> Does anyone have experience with large bib files and the bib module?
you can increase the hash size in texmf.cnf ... if so, then also remake
the format
in mkiv we need less hash space if only because it got rid of encodings
and regimes
Hans
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2007-12-21 12:06 bib module in pdftex and luatex Thomas A. Schmitz
2007-12-21 12:47 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2007-12-21 13:37 ` Taco Hoekwater
2007-12-21 15:40 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2007-12-21 13:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
> The same file compiles without errors in mkiv. So I'm curious: Is it
> possible that the bib file is just too large for mkii?
Just to be complete: In general, the answer to that is "yes", even for
mkiv.
Best wishes,
Taco
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* Re: bib module in pdftex and luatex
2007-12-21 13:37 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2007-12-21 15:40 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2007-12-21 15:56 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2007-12-21 15:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Dec 21, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Just to be complete: In general, the answer to that is "yes", even for
> mkiv.
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco
>
Hmm, okay, thanks, Taco. Any rule of thumb for just how big is too
big? And what do people do in cases like this? One of the wonderful
things about bibtex for me was that I could build up one big database
which I could reuse for all my needs.
Best
Thomas
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* Re: bib module in pdftex and luatex
2007-12-21 15:40 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2007-12-21 15:56 ` Taco Hoekwater
2007-12-21 17:00 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2007-12-21 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>
>> Just to be complete: In general, the answer to that is "yes", even for
>> mkiv.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Taco
>>
>
> Hmm, okay, thanks, Taco. Any rule of thumb for just how big is too big?
Depends on your texmf.cnf. IIRC, I have twenty or so csnames per
entry, and the baseline for mkii is a bit over 40.000 csnames,
so you need about
40.000 + 20 * (numberofentries)
> And what do people do in cases like this? One of the wonderful
Increase hash_extra, as Hans said. There is (virtuallly) no limit
to that.
Best wishes,
Taco
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2007-12-21 15:56 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2007-12-21 17:00 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2007-12-21 17:25 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2007-12-21 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Dec 21, 2007, at 4:56 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Depends on your texmf.cnf. IIRC, I have twenty or so csnames per
> entry, and the baseline for mkii is a bit over 40.000 csnames,
> so you need about
>
> 40.000 + 20 * (numberofentries)
>
>> And what do people do in cases like this? One of the wonderful
>
> Increase hash_extra, as Hans said. There is (virtuallly) no limit
> to that.
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco
Ah, okay! Thanks a lot. So I will pit my ever larger and larger bib
files against the ever more powerful computers that we will have in
the future and let them fight it out!
Thomas
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