From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/56704 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: James Fisher Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: suggestions for context documentation Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 22:01:49 +0000 Message-ID: <771da05a1003041401i46e76f7as7b2fc5dce0348fd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <54d7f5601003041331j22c8fc4aw6585ce356c287abc@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1631563595==" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1267751356 29049 80.91.229.12 (5 Mar 2010 01:09:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 01:09:16 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Mar 05 02:09:03 2010 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NnJ7M-0004ck-4x for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:02:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A217C9CB9; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 23:02:02 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id m82Sk6f2mJfR; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 23:01:57 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FBBC9CA9; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 23:01:57 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0094DC9CA9 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 23:01:55 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 2NfdfsMcEjan for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 23:01:51 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-ew0-f211.google.com (mail-ew0-f211.google.com [209.85.219.211]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C304C9CA1 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 23:01:50 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so2454814ewy.15 for ; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:01:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=391RlmS04TGyugGMA+SP9KYarvWDKV2c170ZKu/e+pY=; b=pakHrLwizjI/P0ZqYtOeQjuXjQ13qcCbjJO84iVMVOoTSTN6NeeH+KyHSmrEZsS62g 7w6eTGW2JJEcn99ciq4O777irShT5soKZ3YNNU5CG+7rTDkeV++CHcO1TxHilRJQgXNC SG27IzJrr6g4IfWeQMlBdrOW1FVJ3G3+pv43A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=MILei4nb8wPr/ccYXEKwBXmGAc/CkkpXhMuEfrmRZR7nR1SMVnj7+QPiwoMl9Kmo0i Eq00JwNCv+ZupeRxu+VhUVKTsLATSX/f3DJihbGW9e83vlBXyrxJZB48EYXQwsWj3jf8 R/6/QqNvDO0gA3oMNR3X5qjq6/Sg8YtiYZ//o= Original-Received: by 10.213.102.75 with SMTP id f11mr1322762ebo.79.1267740110024; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:01:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:56704 Archived-At: --===============1631563595== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502d295ecf4e3048100bea0 --00504502d295ecf4e3048100bea0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A bit of a diversion here, but two questions about the plethora of PDF docs: * Where are the TeX sources of all these manuals kept? * What are the licenses on all these various things? In particular the Pragma documents. Would I be *allowed*, if I so wanted, to embark on a collated version of all of this -- i.e., are derivative works allowed? James On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Michael Saunders wrote: > > The important thing is: is there _ever_ going to be a manual? I >> > > You mean like the beginner's manual > > http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/ms-cb-en.pdf > > and the user manual > > http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/cont-eni.pdf > > > want to try Context, but I've been putting it off for years because >> it's not really practical without documentation. >> > > Things that have changed in MKIV > http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mk.pdf > > Integrating metafun graphics > http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/metafun-s.pdf > > On typography > http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/style.pdf > > XML > http://pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/xml-mkiv.pdf > > amongst 46 others by Pragma > > http://pragma-ade.com/show-man-1.htm > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/This_Way > > and other user written documents > > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/MyWay > > and then there is the wiki. > > I agree that some of these are outdated, some are not complete, but > documentation does exist. What is missing in the documentation that > prevented you from even starting using ConTeXt for *years*. > > Aditya > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > --00504502d295ecf4e3048100bea0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A bit of a diversion here, but two questions about the plethora of PDF docs= :

* Where are the TeX sources of all these manuals kept?
* What a= re the licenses on all these various things?=A0 In particular the Pragma do= cuments.=A0 Would I be *allowed*, if I so wanted, to embark on a collated v= ersion of all of this -- i.e., are derivative works allowed?

James

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:40 PM,= Aditya Mahajan <= adityam@umich.edu> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Michael Saunders wrote:

The important thing is: =A0is there _ever_ going to be a manual? =A0 I

You mean like the beginner's manual

http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/ms-cb-en.pdf

and the user manual

http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/cont-eni.pdf


want to try Context, but I've been putting it off for years because
it's not really practical without documentation.

Things that have changed in MKIV
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mk.pdf

Integrating metafun graphics
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/metafun-s.pdf

On typography
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/style.pdf

XML
http://pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/xml-mkiv.pdf

amongst 46 others by Pragma

http://p= ragma-ade.com/show-man-1.htm
http:/= /wiki.contextgarden.net/This_Way

and other user written documents

http://wi= ki.contextgarden.net/MyWay

and then there is the wiki.

I agree that some of these are outdated, some are not complete, but documen= tation does exist. What is missing in the documentation that prevented you = from even starting using ConTeXt for *years*.

Aditya

___________________________________________________________________________= ________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki!

maillist : ntg-cont= ext@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage =A0: http://= www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive =A0: http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki =A0 =A0 : http:= //contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________= ________

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