* xml, language, btx problems
@ 2018-06-17 17:52 Thomas A. Schmitz
2018-06-17 19:37 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2018-06-17 22:58 ` Alan Braslau
0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2018-06-17 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Hi,
I have a conceptual problem integrating btx into my xml workflow. There
are too many files involved, so no minimal example, but a minimal
description. Root of my xml document:
<document language="en">
...
</document>
I have two files with btx definitions:
publ-imp-deutsch.mkvi
publ-imp-english.mkvi
Loading one of these two should depend on the main language:
\doifelse {\currentlanguage} {en}
{\usebtxdefinitions [english]}
{\usebtxdefinitions [deutsch]}
My problem: the main language is set within the processing rules for the
root of my xml document:
\startxmlsetups xml:document
\mainlanguage[\xmlatt{#1}{language}]
\stopxmlsetups
However, this implies a \starttext. And the btxdefinitions need to be
loaded before \starttext, or so it seems. Which means: the processing
rules for \usebtxdefinitions need to be set outside of the xml setups.
But at this moment, the main language is not set yet, and the \doifelse
fails. Any hints how to get out of this conundrum?
Thanks, and all best
Thomas
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread* Re: xml, language, btx problems 2018-06-17 17:52 xml, language, btx problems Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2018-06-17 19:37 ` Pablo Rodriguez 2018-06-17 20:10 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2018-06-17 22:58 ` Alan Braslau 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2018-06-17 19:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 06/17/2018 07:52 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > Hi, > > I have a conceptual problem integrating btx into my xml workflow. There > are too many files involved, so no minimal example, but a minimal > description. Root of my xml document: > > <document language="en"> > ... > </document> > > I have two files with btx definitions: > > publ-imp-deutsch.mkvi > publ-imp-english.mkvi > > Loading one of these two should depend on the main language: > > \doifelse {\currentlanguage} {en} > {\usebtxdefinitions [english]} > {\usebtxdefinitions [deutsch]} > > My problem: the main language is set within the processing rules for the > root of my xml document: > > \startxmlsetups xml:document > \mainlanguage[\xmlatt{#1}{language}] > \stopxmlsetups Hi Thomas, this may work in your case: \startxmlsetups xml:document \mainlanguage[\xmlatt{#1}{language}] \doifmodeelse{**en} {\usebtxdefinitions [english]} {\usebtxdefinitions [deutsch]} \stopxmlsetups I have just checked in with another document and it worked as expected. Of course, "\doifelse{\currentmainlanguage}{en}" also works fine for me. I hope it helps, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: xml, language, btx problems 2018-06-17 19:37 ` Pablo Rodriguez @ 2018-06-17 20:10 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2018-06-17 20:36 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2018-06-18 16:36 ` Pablo Rodriguez 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2018-06-17 20:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 06/17/2018 09:37 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > this may work in your case: > > \startxmlsetups xml:document > \mainlanguage[\xmlatt{#1}{language}] > \doifmodeelse{**en} > {\usebtxdefinitions [english]} > {\usebtxdefinitions [deutsch]} > \stopxmlsetups > > I have just checked in with another document and it worked as expected. Thank you for your suggestion, Pablo, but this is just a slightly different syntax to express the same test, this doesn't change anything. Maybe this document is clearer in explaining my problem (and results are identical with the \doifmodeelse syntax): \startbuffer[test] <document language="de"> test </document> \stopbuffer \startxmlsetups xml:testsetups \xmlsetsetup{\xmldocument}{document}{xml:*} \stopxmlsetups \xmlregistersetup{xml:testsetups} \startxmlsetups xml:document \mainlanguage[\xmlatt{#1}{language}] Language settings work correctly here: \doifelse {\currentmainlanguage} {de} {\color [blue] {Deutsch}} {\color [red] {English}}\par \xmlflush{#1} \stopxmlsetups \starttext This is where the btx set has to be loaded, and language settings do not work as needed: \doifelse {\currentmainlanguage} {de} {\color [blue] {Deutsch}} {\color [red] {English}}\par \xmlprocessbuffer{main}{test}{} \stoptext Is there any way to set the language before the <document> element is processed? I experimented with this \startxmlsetups xml:language:initiate \mainlanguage[\xmlattribute{\xmldocument}{root::/document}{language}] \stopxmlsetups \xmlbeforedocumentsetup{\xmldocument}{xml:language:initiate}{xml:testsetups} but this doesn't work, and I'm not sure I'm using it the right way. All best Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: xml, language, btx problems 2018-06-17 20:10 ` Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2018-06-17 20:36 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2018-06-18 16:36 ` Pablo Rodriguez 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2018-06-17 20:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 5262 bytes --] One option is to load your document at the beginning with different setups where you only process the language information. Another option is to put the language dependent options in a setups block and load them when you process the XML file. \startbuffer[test] <document language="de"> test </document> \stopbuffer \startxmlsetups [xml:testsetups] \xmlsetsetup{\xmldocument}{document}{xml:*} \stopxmlsetups \xmlregistersetup{xml:testsetups} \startxmlsetups [xml:document] \mainlanguage[\xmlatt{#1}{language}] \startdocument \xmlflush{#1} \stopdocument \stopxmlsetups % The “document:start” setup is used by default with % the before key of the \startdocument command \startsetups [document:start] \startmodeset [**de] {This document is in german.\par} [**en] {This document is in english.\par} [default] {This document uses the default language.\par} \stopmodeset \stopsetups \starttext \xmlprocessbuffer{main}{test}{} \stoptext Wolfgang > Thomas A. Schmitz <mailto:thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> > 17. Juni 2018 um 19:52 > Hi, > > I have a conceptual problem integrating btx into my xml workflow. > There are too many files involved, so no minimal example, but a > minimal description. Root of my xml document: > > <document language="en"> > ... > </document> > > I have two files with btx definitions: > > publ-imp-deutsch.mkvi > > publ-imp-english.mkvi > > Loading one of these two should depend on the main language: > > \doifelse {\currentlanguage} {en} > {\usebtxdefinitions [english]} > {\usebtxdefinitions [deutsch]} > > My problem: the main language is set within the processing rules for > the root of my xml document: > > \startxmlsetups xml:document > \mainlanguage[\xmlatt{#1}{language}] > \stopxmlsetups > > However, this implies a \starttext. And the btxdefinitions need to be > loaded before \starttext, or so it seems. Which means: the processing > rules for \usebtxdefinitions need to be set outside of the xml setups. > But at this moment, the main language is not set yet, and the > \doifelse fails. Any hints how to get out of this conundrum? > > Thanks, and all best > > Thomas > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry > to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > Pablo Rodriguez <mailto:oinos@gmx.es> > 17. Juni 2018 um 21:37 > > Hi Thomas, > > this may work in your case: > > \startxmlsetups xml:document > \mainlanguage[\xmlatt{#1}{language}] > \doifmodeelse{**en} > {\usebtxdefinitions [english]} > {\usebtxdefinitions [deutsch]} > \stopxmlsetups > > I have just checked in with another document and it worked as expected. > > Of course, "\doifelse{\currentmainlanguage}{en}" also works fine for me. > > I hope it helps, > > Pablo > Thomas A. Schmitz <mailto:thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> > 17. Juni 2018 um 22:10 > > > Thank you for your suggestion, Pablo, but this is just a slightly > different syntax to express the same test, this doesn't change > anything. Maybe this document is clearer in explaining my problem (and > results are identical with the \doifmodeelse syntax): > > \startbuffer[test] > <document language="de"> > test > </document> > \stopbuffer > > \startxmlsetups xml:testsetups > \xmlsetsetup{\xmldocument}{document}{xml:*} > \stopxmlsetups > > \xmlregistersetup{xml:testsetups} > > \startxmlsetups xml:document > \mainlanguage[\xmlatt{#1}{language}] > Language settings work correctly here: > > \doifelse {\currentmainlanguage} {de} > {\color [blue] {Deutsch}} > {\color [red] {English}}\par > \xmlflush{#1} > \stopxmlsetups > > \starttext > This is where the btx set has to be loaded, and language settings do > not work as needed: > > \doifelse {\currentmainlanguage} {de} > {\color [blue] {Deutsch}} > {\color [red] {English}}\par > > \xmlprocessbuffer{main}{test}{} > > \stoptext > > Is there any way to set the language before the <document> element is > processed? I experimented with this > > \startxmlsetups xml:language:initiate > \mainlanguage[\xmlattribute{\xmldocument}{root::/document}{language}] > \stopxmlsetups > > \xmlbeforedocumentsetup{\xmldocument}{xml:language:initiate}{xml:testsetups} > > > but this doesn't work, and I'm not sure I'm using it the right way. > > All best > > Thomas > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry > to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 9101 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: xml, language, btx problems 2018-06-17 20:10 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2018-06-17 20:36 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2018-06-18 16:36 ` Pablo Rodriguez 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2018-06-18 16:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 06/17/2018 10:10 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > On 06/17/2018 09:37 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: > [...] > Thank you for your suggestion, Pablo, but this is just a slightly > different syntax to express the same test, this doesn't change anything. > Maybe this document is clearer in explaining my problem (and results are > identical with the \doifmodeelse syntax): > [...] > Is there any way to set the language before the <document> element is > processed? Sorry, Thomas, I never used bibliographies and I didn’t realize that your requirements were different than language-based page sizes (which was my actual test handling XML sources). Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: xml, language, btx problems 2018-06-17 17:52 xml, language, btx problems Thomas A. Schmitz 2018-06-17 19:37 ` Pablo Rodriguez @ 2018-06-17 22:58 ` Alan Braslau 2018-06-18 10:19 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Alan Braslau @ 2018-06-17 22:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thomas A. Schmitz; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Sun, 17 Jun 2018 19:52:35 +0200 "Thomas A. Schmitz" <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote: > However, this implies a \starttext. And the btxdefinitions need to be > loaded before \starttext, or so it seems. Thomas, Why would the definitions need to be loaded before \starttext? The bibliographic data can be loaded independent of any rendering or use definitions. Also, why don't you write your custom definitions to handle languages, rather than writing new definition sets based on language? Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: xml, language, btx problems 2018-06-17 22:58 ` Alan Braslau @ 2018-06-18 10:19 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2018-06-18 10:53 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2018-06-18 10:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Alan Braslau Hi Alan, thanks for joining the discussion! Just to answer your two queries about my setup: On 06/18/2018 12:58 AM, Alan Braslau wrote: > Thomas, > > Why would the definitions need to be loaded before \starttext? > The bibliographic data can be loaded independent of any rendering or > use definitions. That's what I deduced from my experiments. When I load the definitions in the xml setup of the root element, they are not loaded, but printed verbatim to the pdf file. My deduction may be wrong - this is a pretty complex setup, in which I produce slides, manuscript (in different formats), handout, and bibliography all from the same xml source. So it may be some interference/interaction of these complex parts that I don't quite understand. I'll continue experimenting... Also, why don't you write your custom definitions to > handle languages, rather than writing new definition sets based on > language? > There is one stumbling block that made me think I had to have two separate setups (in addition to the fact that it makes the source cleaner and easier to maintain): I copied publ-imp-apa.* and modified it to suit my needs. Now for apa, editors and authors are included in one set, e.g., in line 169-171: categories.book = { sets = { author = { "author", "editor", "publisher", "title" }, } In my German bibliography file, I distinguish between authored volumes and edited volumes both for the presentation and for the sorting: Author, Firstname: Title ... as opposed to Edited Volume, hrsg. von Firstname Editor ... and I found that as long as I had this "set" line in my publ-imp-style.lua file, I would always get Editor, Firstname: Edited Volume, hrsg. von Firstname Editor ... When I deleted the line, I could get what I wanted. So my inference was that for my German bibliography, I needed a different lua and a different publ-imp-.tex file. But maybe I was wrong and you have an easier approach? All best and thanks! Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: xml, language, btx problems 2018-06-18 10:19 ` Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2018-06-18 10:53 ` Hans Hagen 2018-06-18 11:07 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-06-18 10:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Thomas A. Schmitz, Alan Braslau On 6/18/2018 12:19 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > Hi Alan, > > thanks for joining the discussion! Just to answer your two queries about > my setup: > > On 06/18/2018 12:58 AM, Alan Braslau wrote: >> Thomas, >> >> Why would the definitions need to be loaded before \starttext? >> The bibliographic data can be loaded independent of any rendering or >> use definitions. > > That's what I deduced from my experiments. When I load the definitions > in the xml setup of the root element, they are not loaded, but printed > verbatim to the pdf file. My deduction may be wrong - this is a pretty > complex setup, in which I produce slides, manuscript (in different > formats), handout, and bibliography all from the same xml source. So it > may be some interference/interaction of these complex parts that I don't > quite understand. I'll continue experimenting... sometimes you need to do \starttexcode ... \stoptexcode when inside some special caocode regime (which happens in xml) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: xml, language, btx problems 2018-06-18 10:53 ` Hans Hagen @ 2018-06-18 11:07 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2018-06-18 11:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Hans Hagen, Alan Braslau > sometimes you need to do > > \starttexcode > ... > \stoptexcode > > when inside some special caocode regime (which happens in xml) > > Hans Hans, thank you - that was the golden hint! It works now as I've always wanted! And I realize once again that I know far less about ConTeXt than I wished and thought... Wolfgang: thanks for your suggestions, too! I had thought about loading the xml document twice, the first time just for extracting the "language" information, but felt it was less than elegant and maybe not quite efficient (my lecture course xmls tend to have more thah 25,000 lines). But I didn't provide enough information for you to see the easiest solution. Thanks, I'm a happy camper again (I have to prepare the handout for a talk I'm giving next week in Israel...) Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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