From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/27635 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Gerben Wierda" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: ConTeXt frustrations (was: simple problem) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:27:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <7877.159.46.248.233.1146742068.squirrel@mail.rna.nl> References: <21245.159.46.248.233.1146737316.squirrel@mail.rna.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1146742192 16809 80.91.229.2 (4 May 2006 11:29:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 11:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu May 04 13:29:48 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbc1g-0000CD-0k for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 13:29:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADEB7127B6; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:29:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28589-02; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:29:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE84D127AA; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:27:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF02127AA for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:27:55 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28589-01 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:27:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from post-23.mail.nl.demon.net (post-23.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.193]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 98503127A5 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:27:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ii2.demon.nl ([82.161.98.36]:15429 helo=mail.rna.nl) by post-23.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fbbzt-000OTg-69 for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:53 +0000 Original-Received: from mail.rna.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rna.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF55A49DB41 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:27:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from 159.46.248.233 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gerben) by mail.rna.nl with HTTP; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:27:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <21245.159.46.248.233.1146737316.squirrel@mail.rna.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:27635 Archived-At: > \defineparagraphs[BookQuote][n=1,before={\indenting[never]\whitespace\startnarrower},after={\indenting[yes]\nowhitespace\stopnarrower}] > > in my environment file, but that gave me page breaks as soon as > \startBookQuote was given and the quotes themselves do not receive page breaks, hence a quote more than one page (I have a few) ends up being a column of one page but just running from the page. > > So, it seems \defineparagraphs is out, because I do not get page breaks inside the quote. But what should I do? Another try was simpler, using plain TeX instead of ConTeXt's mechanisms, but had another unexpected effect: \def\startBookQuote{\indenting[never]\whitespace\startnarrower} \def\stopBookQuote{\stopnarrower\indenting[yes]\nowhitespace} The result of which is close to what I want, but after the first \startBookQuote-\stopBookQuote pair the whitespace between paragraphs stays, surprisingly enough (notwithstanding the \nowhitespace). Si=o, I remove the entire whitespace/nowhitespace and find out that I *still* get whitespace!? OK, I seem to need to remove \setupwhitespace[small] from my environment file, where I had: \setupwhitespace[small] \nowhitespace But, contrary to indentation, the \setupwhitespace not only sets it up, it also turns it on. With indentation, I hat \setupindentation and did not get that working until I turned it on with \indenting[yes]. In other words, two opposite behaviours for likewise actions. I find this kind of chaotic behaviour typical for my experience with ConTeXt and I get pretty frustrated to the point I start thinking I should have stayed with LaTeX and use the memoir class. Whatever LaTeX's limitations in what it can do, it generally does what one expects. In my own personal experience with ConTeXt I can definitely not say that. G