* Re: next beta [not found] <mailman.575.1497365252.2080.ntg-context@ntg.nl> @ 2017-06-17 13:48 ` Jeong Dal 2017-06-18 11:00 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Jeong Dal @ 2017-06-17 13:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: list ntg-context@ntg.nl ntg-context@ntg.nl ntg-context@ntg.nl ntg-context@ntg.nl Dear Hans, I updated ConTeXt beta today and run your sample for long formula. It works nice and it is the feature what many math people want I think. Thank you for your concern. One thing that I’d like say is that a new line in the splitted long formula usually starts with operations in many math books. But, in the ourput of your example, every line ends with ‘+’ sign and begin a new line with a ‘number’. Would you please check it once more? Thank you again for your work, and have a nice weekend. Best regards, Dalyoung ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: next beta 2017-06-17 13:48 ` next beta Jeong Dal @ 2017-06-18 11:00 ` Hans Hagen 2017-06-18 15:39 ` Jeong Dal 2017-06-18 22:56 ` Henri Menke 0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-06-18 11:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Jeong Dal On 6/17/2017 3:48 PM, Jeong Dal wrote: > Dear Hans, > > I updated ConTeXt beta today and run your sample for long formula. > It works nice and it is the feature what many math people want I think. > Thank you for your concern. > > One thing that I’d like say is that a new line in the splitted long formula usually starts with operations in many math books. > But, in the ourput of your example, every line ends with ‘+’ sign and begin a new line with a ‘number’. > > Would you please check it once more? this is how tex works: just look at inline math i played with it a bit but had to adapt the engine for a bit more control (stepwise the matyh machinery is opened up i.e. hard coded steps become configureable) anyway, the question is not implementing but control: it's not default tex behaviour so it has to be turned on (and then after a while we forget that it can be turned on i guess) (no clue what keyword to use for controling it) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: next beta 2017-06-18 11:00 ` Hans Hagen @ 2017-06-18 15:39 ` Jeong Dal 2017-06-18 22:56 ` Henri Menke 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Jeong Dal @ 2017-06-18 15:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Hans Hagen; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1451 bytes --] Dear Hans, > 2017. 6. 18. 오후 8:00, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> 작성: > > this is how tex works: just look at inline math > Yes, you are right. To start a new line with a sign may be a preference of me and some others. I found a document which illustrates the different displays of a long equations in LaTeX. https://www.andy-roberts.net/res/writing/latex/longeqns.pdf <https://www.andy-roberts.net/res/writing/latex/longeqns.pdf> I think that I ask you too much. You may leave it to user to choose. Thank you for the example that I just saw. It looks good to me. Best regards, Dalyoung > i played with it a bit but had to adapt the engine for a bit more control (stepwise the matyh machinery is opened up i.e. hard coded steps become configureable) > > anyway, the question is not implementing but control: it's not default tex behaviour so it has to be turned on (and then after a while we forget that it can be turned on i guess) > > (no clue what keyword to use for controling it) > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl <http://www.pragma-ade.nl/> | www.pragma-pod.nl <http://www.pragma-pod.nl/> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 11348 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: next beta 2017-06-18 11:00 ` Hans Hagen 2017-06-18 15:39 ` Jeong Dal @ 2017-06-18 22:56 ` Henri Menke 2017-06-19 7:36 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Henri Menke @ 2017-06-18 22:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Sun, 2017-06-18 at 13:00 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 6/17/2017 3:48 PM, Jeong Dal wrote: > > > > Dear Hans, > > > > I updated ConTeXt beta today and run your sample for long formula. > > It works nice and it is the feature what many math people want I think. > > Thank you for your concern. > > > > One thing that I’d like say is that a new line in the splitted long formula usually starts with > > operations in many math books. > > But, in the ourput of your example, every line ends with ‘+’ sign and begin a new line with a > > ‘number’. > > > > Would you please check it once more? > this is how tex works: just look at inline math Let me quote the TeXbook (page 195): »Although formulas within a paragraph always break after binary operations and relations, displayed formulas always break before binary operations and relations.« On the other hand, right above this paragraph, it says: »It's quite an art to decide how to break long displayed formulas into several lines; TeX never attempts to break them, because no set of rules is really adequate.« > i played with it a bit but had to adapt the engine for a bit more > control (stepwise the matyh machinery is opened up i.e. hard coded steps > become configureable) > > anyway, the question is not implementing but control: it's not default > tex behaviour so it has to be turned on (and then after a while we > forget that it can be turned on i guess) > > (no clue what keyword to use for controling it) > > Hans > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: next beta 2017-06-18 22:56 ` Henri Menke @ 2017-06-19 7:36 ` Hans Hagen 2017-06-19 7:44 ` Aditya Mahajan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-06-19 7:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Henri Menke, ntg-context@ntg.nl >> mailing list for ConTeXt users On 6/19/2017 12:56 AM, Henri Menke wrote: > Let me quote the TeXbook (page 195): > > »Although formulas within a paragraph always break after binary operations and relations, displayed > formulas always break before binary operations and relations.« given that one uses alignments > On the other hand, right above this paragraph, it says: > > »It's quite an art to decide how to break long displayed formulas into several lines; TeX never > attempts to break them, because no set of rules is really adequate.« right, so we're stuck .. anyhow, some future mkiv beta / luatex combination will provide \setupformulas[split=yes,align=flushleft] % already there \setupmathematics[setups=math:spacing:split] % needs new engine so that you split differently (one can then prevent an unwanted split with a large penalty) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: next beta 2017-06-19 7:36 ` Hans Hagen @ 2017-06-19 7:44 ` Aditya Mahajan 2017-07-10 20:21 ` Again: breaking of formulas Mathias Schickel 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2017-06-19 7:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Mon, 19 Jun 2017, Hans Hagen wrote: > \setupformulas[split=yes,align=flushleft] % already there While you are tweaking formulas, would it make sense to add a key-value interface for \startformula, so that the following also works: \startformula[split=yes, align=flushleft] ... \stopformula We can remain backward compatible by check if the argument to formulas is an assignment or not. Aditya ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Again: breaking of formulas 2017-06-19 7:44 ` Aditya Mahajan @ 2017-07-10 20:21 ` Mathias Schickel 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Mathias Schickel @ 2017-07-10 20:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Hans Hagen [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 244 bytes --] Dear Hans, Aditya and the list, I have tested the new auto breaking feature for formulas and have encountered some issues that I have summed up in the attached file. It would be great if this issues could be eliminated. Best Mathias [-- Attachment #2: formula-breaking.tex --] [-- Type: application/x-tex, Size: 3554 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: formula-breaking.pdf --] [-- Type: application/pdf, Size: 19940 bytes --] [-- Attachment #4: Type: text/plain, Size: 1044 bytes --] > Am 19.06.2017 um 09:44 schrieb Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>: > > On Mon, 19 Jun 2017, Hans Hagen wrote: > >> \setupformulas[split=yes,align=flushleft] % already there > > While you are tweaking formulas, would it make sense to add a key-value interface for \startformula, so that the following also works: > > \startformula[split=yes, align=flushleft] > ... > \stopformula > > We can remain backward compatible by check if the argument to formulas is an assignment or not. > > Aditya > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ [-- Attachment #5: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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