From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/43507 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Bowen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: paragraphs in columns query Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:38:33 -0400 Message-ID: <7CB3ED21-6506-4E73-9C7B-0602B14FD802@princeton.edu> References: <1A3D5140-47C0-45FD-A307-51EC3A564237@princeton.edu> <48B53B6C.6040603@wxs.nl> <48B58979.7060504@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0919524515==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219920929 17144 80.91.229.12 (28 Aug 2008 10:55:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:55:29 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Aug 28 12:56:14 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYf7v-0002Su-AT for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:53:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531941FE8A; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:52:18 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09691-01-38; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:51:33 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228881FE39; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:45:30 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E9F1FE38 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:45:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11841-01-16 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:44:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37551FE57 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:38:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from new-host.home ([71.188.48.133]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K6B00E86489PNHA@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:38:34 -0500 (CDT) In-reply-to: <48B58979.7060504@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:43507 --===============0919524515== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--1052938652 --Apple-Mail-4--1052938652 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It has been more than 15 hours since I last sent this , so I am trying =20= again. Apologies for any duplication. A. ************************** Hans=97 Here is the text that produces the problem on the wiki (pdfTeX/MKII =20 option). \starttext adeo aberratum est, ut C. Caesar pontifex maximus suo III et M.\ =20 Aemilii Lepidi consulatu, quo retro delictum corrigeret, duos menses =20 intercalarios dierum LXVII in mensem Novembrem et Decembrem =20 interponeret, cum iam mense Februario dies III et XX intercalasset, =20 faceretque eum annum dierum CCCCXLV, simul providens in futurum, ne =20 iterum erraretur: nam intercalario mense sublato annum civilem ad =20 solis cursum formavit. Itaque diebus CCCLV addidit decem, quos per =20 septem menses, qui dies undetricenos habebant, ita discriberet, ut =20 Januario et Sextili et Decembri bini accederent, ceteris singuli; =20 eosque dies extremis partibus mensium adposuit, ne scilicet religiones =20= sui cuiusque mensis a loco summoverentur. Quapropter nunc cum in =20 septem mensibus dies singuli et triceni sint, quattuor tamen illi ita =20= primitus instituti eo dinoscuntur, quod nonas habent septimanas, =20 ceteri tres omnes alii reliqui quintanas.~[{\em De die nat}.\ 20.8||10] \starttabulate[|p|p|] \NC \noindent Things had deviated so much that Gaius Caesar, as \hbox{\em =20= pontifex} {\em maximus} in his third consulship and that of M.\ =20 Aemilius Lepi\-dus, in order to correct the past mistake, inserted =20 between the months of November and December two intercalary months of =20= 67 days, since he had already intercalated 23 days in the month of =20 February, and made that a year of 445 days, at the same time taking =20 care that the mistake would not be repeated in future; for with the =20 intercalary month done away with, he shaped the civil year to the =20 course of the sun. And so to the 355 days he added 10, which he =20 distributed through the seven months which had 29 days as follows: two =20= days were added to January, Sextilis, and December, and one to the =20 others; and he placed these days at the ends of the months, evidently =20= so that the religious ceremonies of each month might not be moved from =20= their place. Therefore now, although there are 31 days in seven =20 months, nevertheless four are distinguished by this feature of the =20 original tradition, that they have the Nones on the seventh day, while =20= the other three remaining ones have them on the fifth. \NC \noindent Things got so bad that Julius Caesar, when he was {\em =20 pontifex max\-imus}, during his third consulship, which he shared with =20= M.\ Aemilius Lepidus, in order to correct the accumlated errors, had =20 to insert two intercalary months with a total of 67 days between =20 November and December, even though he had already made the usual =20 addition of 23 days in February, adding up to a total of 445 days for =20= that year. At the same time he made sure that the problem would not =20 return in the future, for he removed the additional month from the =20 calendar and made the civil year conform to the course of the sun. He =20= added 10 days to the old 355, dividing them up among the seven months =20= that had 29 days. January, Sextilis [August], and December got two, =20 the others (April, June, September, November) got one. He added these =20= days at the end of each month, so that the religious festivals would =20 not be moved from their usual places in the month. That is why to this =20= day we have seven months with 31 days, but we can recognize the four =20 which were set up in the ancient system by the fact they have the =20 Nones on the seventh day, but the other three long months and all the =20= short months have them on the fifth. [Parker, 47]=09 \NC\NR \stoptabulate Of late my own approach to translation has been consciously to seek to =20= replicate the sentence structures of the original Latin or Greek, =20 however long or compressed or contorted they may seem to our English =20 eyes. The often awkward structures of the original are a window into =20 the minds and mental processes of the ancient (and let us not forget, =20= foreign) writers. Thucydides and Tacitus, for instance, are not =20 particularly easy \quote{reads} in the original, and I personally =20 prefer to allow modern readers to gain a sense of the sometimes =20 difficult structures that they use but which most modern translations =20= attempt to smooth out into something more accessible to our ways of =20 thinking and reading. The more we read like them, I tell myself, the =20 more we may think like them and so ultimately appreciate how they saw =20= the world around them. In a world where most of our students in =20 Classics are devoid of Latin and Greek, exposure to the ancient modes =20= of thought and expression increases in importance. \stoptext You will see that the columns =93play nice=94 with text that follows, = but =20 not with text that precedes. Alan On Aug 27, 2008, at 13;06,01 , Hans Hagen wrote: > Alan Bowen wrote: >> Thanks, Hans. I have now tried >> >> .... preliminary text .... >> \starttabulate[|p|p|] >> \NC >> long paragraph A >> \NC >> long paragraph B=09 >> \NC\NR >> \stoptabulate >> >> on my setup (ConTeXt 2008.08.04 MK II) and on the wiki (ConTeXt >> 2008.08.27 MK II). >> >> On the wiki: >> the tabulated paragraphs do not follow upon the preliminary text >> immediately on the same page but start on their own page. > > in that case we need a complete test file > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com > | www.pragma-pod.nl > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > = __________________________________________________________________________= _________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an =20 > entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / = http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > = __________________________________________________________________________= _________ --Apple-Mail-4--1052938652 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It has been more than 15 hours since I last sent this , so I = am trying again. Apologies for any duplication. A.

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Hans=97

Here is the text = that produces the problem on the wiki (pdfTeX/MKII option).

\starttext adeo aberratum est, ut C. Caesar pontifex maximus suo III et M.\ Aemilii = Lepidi consulatu, quo retro delictum corrigeret, duos menses = intercalarios dierum LXVII in mensem Novembrem et Decembrem = interponeret, cum iam mense Februario dies III et XX intercalasset, = faceretque eum annum dierum CCCCXLV, simul providens in futurum, ne = iterum erraretur: nam intercalario mense sublato annum civilem ad solis = cursum formavit. Itaque diebus CCCLV addidit decem, quos per septem = menses, qui dies undetricenos habebant, ita discriberet, ut Januario et = Sextili et Decembri bini accederent, ceteris singuli; eosque dies = extremis partibus mensium adposuit, ne scilicet religiones sui cuiusque = mensis a loco summoverentur. Quapropter nunc cum in septem mensibus dies = singuli et triceni sint, quattuor tamen illi ita primitus instituti eo = dinoscuntur, quod nonas habent septimanas, ceteri tres omnes alii = reliqui quintanas.~[{\em De die nat}.\ 20.8||10] \starttabulate[|p|p|] \NC \noindent Things had deviated so much that Gaius Caesar, as \hbox{\em = pontifex} {\em maximus} in his third consulship and that of M.\ Aemilius = Lepi\-dus, in order to correct the past mistake, inserted between the = months of November and December two intercalary months of 67 days, since = he had already intercalated 23 days in the month of February, and made = that a year of 445 days, at the same time taking care that the mistake = would not be repeated in future; for with the intercalary month done = away with, he shaped the civil year to the course of the sun. And so to = the 355 days he added 10, which he distributed through the seven months = which had 29 days as follows: two days were added to January, Sextilis, = and December, and one to the others; and he placed these days at the = ends of the months, evidently so that the religious ceremonies of each = month might not be moved from their place. Therefore now, although there = are 31 days in seven months, nevertheless four are distinguished by this = feature of the original tradition, that they have the Nones on the = seventh day, while the other three remaining ones have them on the = fifth. \NC \noindent Things got so bad that Julius Caesar, when he was {\em = pontifex max\-imus}, during his third consulship, which he shared with = M.\ Aemilius Lepidus, in order to correct the accumlated errors, had to = insert two intercalary months with a total of 67 days between November = and December, even though he had already made the usual addition of 23 = days in February, adding up to a total of 445 days for that year. At the = same time he made sure that the problem would not return in the future, = for he removed the additional month from the calendar and made the civil = year conform to the course of the sun. He added 10 days to the old 355, = dividing them up among the seven months that had 29 days. January, = Sextilis [August], and December got two, the others (April, June, = September, November) got one. He added these days at the end of each = month, so that the religious festivals would not be moved from their = usual places in the month. That is why to this day we have seven months = with 31 days, but we can recognize the four which were set up in the = ancient system by the fact they have the Nones on the seventh day, but = the other three long months and all the short months have them on the = fifth. [Parker, 47]=09 \NC\NR \stoptabulate Of late my own approach to translation has been consciously to seek to = replicate the sentence structures of the original Latin or Greek, = however long or compressed or contorted they may seem to our English = eyes. The often awkward structures of the original are a window into the = minds and mental processes of the ancient (and let us not forget, = foreign) writers. Thucydides and Tacitus, for instance, are not = particularly easy \quote{reads} in the original, and I personally prefer = to allow modern readers to gain a sense of the sometimes difficult = structures that they use but which most modern translations attempt to = smooth out into something more accessible to our ways of thinking and = reading. The more we read like them, I tell myself, the more we may = think like them and so ultimately appreciate how they saw the world = around them. In a world where most of our students in Classics are = devoid of Latin and Greek, exposure to the ancient modes of thought and = expression increases in importance. \stoptext

You will see that the columns = =93play nice=94 with text that follows, but not with text that = precedes.

Alan
On Aug 27, = 2008, at 13;06,01 , Hans Hagen wrote:

Alan Bowen wrote:
Thanks, Hans. I have now tried

.... = preliminary text ....
\starttabulate[|p|p|]
\NC
long paragraph A
\NC
long = paragraph B =
\NC\NR
\stoptabulate

on my setup (ConTeXt = 2008.08.04 MK II) and on the wiki (ConTeXt  
2008.08.27 MK II).

On the = wiki:
the =  tabulated paragraphs do not follow upon the preliminary text =  
immediately on the same page but start on their own = page.

in = that case we need a complete test file


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