Software upgrade for ntg and contextgarden server 6 April

Software upgrade for ntg and contextgarden server 6 April

[Taco Hoekwater via ntg-context]

Hi all,

Tomorrow an attempt to upgrade the software on the ntg.nl / server-nl.contextgarden.nl server will be made. 

This means that various services will probably be offline for a while during the afternoon (CET timezone). Affected will be the NTG website, all the @ntg.nl mailing lists, the ConTeXt wiki, and some other subsites of contextgarden.net. 

We expect to the outage to last a few hours at most.

I do not have an exhaustive list of potentially affected services and lists, so this message is sent out to the two largest mailing lists on the server. If you know of some other person or group that is likely going to be worried about a few hours of outage, please forward this message to them.

Best wishes,
Taco


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Re: Software upgrade for ntg and contextgarden server 6 April

[Taco Hoekwater via ntg-context]

Hi again, from the other side!

Jules has just finished with all the updating and restarting for now, and at first glance everything seems to be OK. 

The server now runs Ubuntu 20.04. Jay!

If you notice anything wrong, please warn either me personally or ntg-server@ntg.nl. 

Unless major problems develop, we will continue the update process on Tuesday afternoon. 

Best wishes,
Taco and Jules

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Re: Software upgrade for ntg and contextgarden server 6 April

[Taco Hoekwater via ntg-context]

Hi,

So … the server now runs Ubuntu 22.04. Jay!

This was a much harder upgrade though. Various things were wrong, and are likely still a bit wrong in places. Robbert had to rescue the network configuration that went missing completely after the upgrade (requiring a trip to the data center). Various packages have been discontinued by our linux distribution, including the version of the mailing list software that we use (so that had to be installed manually). The new version of php is much stricter than the old version (so some website hacks were also needed). Et cetera. It has been a “process” ...

The basic functionality appears to be back online, although the web interface to the mailing lists does not work yet (we will try to fix that tomorrow). But there are likely to be small problems with other services still. Please *do* let me know if you notice something odd!

In any case, today was the last of the big software update procedures (at least for the next year or so).

Best wishes,
Taco and Jules and Robbert




> On 6 Apr 2023, at 18:20, Taco Hoekwater <taco@bittext.nl> wrote:
> 
> If you notice anything wrong, please warn either me personally or ntg-server@ntg.nl. 
> 
> Unless major problems develop, we will continue the update process on Tuesday afternoon. 



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Re: Software upgrade for ntg and contextgarden server 6 April

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 4/11/2023 10:42 PM, Taco Hoekwater via ntg-context wrote:

> In any case, today was the last of the big software update procedures (at least for the next year or so).
Thanks for doing this!

Hans

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Re: Software upgrade for ntg and contextgarden server 6 April

[Werner Hennrich via ntg-context]

KUDOS to you guys and thanks a *lot*!
W


Am 11.04.23 um 22:42 schrieb Taco Hoekwater via ntg-context:
> Hi,
>
> So … the server now runs Ubuntu 22.04. Jay!
> This was a much harder upgrade though.
> ...
> In any case, today was the last of the big software update procedures
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco and Jules and Robbert

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Re: [NTG-context] Software upgrade for ntg and contextgarden server 6 April

[Willi Egger via ntg-context]

Thank you Taco, Jules and Robbert! — All this work for our so precious group of users! Thanks!

Willi

> On 11 Apr 2023, at 22:42, Taco Hoekwater via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> So … the server now runs Ubuntu 22.04. Jay!
> 
> This was a much harder upgrade though. Various things were wrong, and are likely still a bit wrong in places. Robbert had to rescue the network configuration that went missing completely after the upgrade (requiring a trip to the data center). Various packages have been discontinued by our linux distribution, including the version of the mailing list software that we use (so that had to be installed manually). The new version of php is much stricter than the old version (so some website hacks were also needed). Et cetera. It has been a “process” ...
> 
> The basic functionality appears to be back online, although the web interface to the mailing lists does not work yet (we will try to fix that tomorrow). But there are likely to be small problems with other services still. Please *do* let me know if you notice something odd!
> 
> In any case, today was the last of the big software update procedures (at least for the next year or so).
> 
> Best wishes,
> Taco and Jules and Robbert
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Apr 2023, at 18:20, Taco Hoekwater <taco@bittext.nl> wrote:
>> 
>> If you notice anything wrong, please warn either me personally or ntg-server@ntg.nl. 
>> 
>> Unless major problems develop, we will continue the update process on Tuesday afternoon. 
> 
> 
> 
> — 
> Taco Hoekwater              E: taco@bittext.nl
> genderfluid (all pronouns)
> 
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] Software upgrade for ntg and contextgarden server 6 April

[mf via ntg-context]

Hello,

the github repo at https://github.com/contextgarden/context-mirror
is not updated since March 20th.

I don't know whether it's related to the server update, but maybe you know.

BTW thank you Taco, Jules and Robbert for your work.

Massi

Il 11/04/23 22:42, Taco Hoekwater via ntg-context ha scritto:
> Hi,
> 
> So … the server now runs Ubuntu 22.04. Jay!
> 
> This was a much harder upgrade though. Various things were wrong, and are likely still a bit wrong in places. Robbert had to rescue the network configuration that went missing completely after the upgrade (requiring a trip to the data center). Various packages have been discontinued by our linux distribution, including the version of the mailing list software that we use (so that had to be installed manually). The new version of php is much stricter than the old version (so some website hacks were also needed). Et cetera. It has been a “process” ...
> 
> The basic functionality appears to be back online, although the web interface to the mailing lists does not work yet (we will try to fix that tomorrow). But there are likely to be small problems with other services still. Please *do* let me know if you notice something odd!
> 
> In any case, today was the last of the big software update procedures (at least for the next year or so).
> 
> Best wishes,
> Taco and Jules and Robbert
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] Software upgrade for ntg and contextgarden server 6 April

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 4/14/2023 3:50 PM, mf via ntg-context wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> the github repo at https://github.com/contextgarden/context-mirror
> is not updated since March 20th.
> 
> I don't know whether it's related to the server update, but maybe you know.

I fetch from the origin,

   https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror.git
  which seems up to date; i suppose github gets it from there but 
occasionally it lags behind; it's sort of the original git archive and 
our backup plan.

   https://github.com/contextgarden/context

Should be okay,

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Software upgrade for ntg and contextgarden server 6 April

[Carlos via ntg-context]

On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 12:13:58AM +0200, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> On 4/14/2023 3:50 PM, mf via ntg-context wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > the github repo at https://github.com/contextgarden/context-mirror
> > is not updated since March 20th.
> > 
> > I don't know whether it's related to the server update, but maybe you know.
> 
> I fetch from the origin,
> 
>   https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror.git
>  which seems up to date; i suppose github gets it from there but
> occasionally it lags behind; it's sort of the original git archive and our
> backup plan.
> 
>   https://github.com/contextgarden/context
> 
> Should be okay,
> 
> Hans

thank you Taco, Hans, and Aditya, Mikael, et

Hans, I was just curious about your git strategy and wanted to ask you about something. 

Did you guys ever consider having a cgit interface and hosting it. 

A bunch of projects have done it  

heck. Even git, which is where everything solely depends on in the end, is running it. 

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/git/git.git/

https://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/about/
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Re: [NTG-context] Software upgrade for ntg and contextgarden server 6 April

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 4/15/2023 3:23 AM, Carlos via ntg-context wrote:

> thank you Taco, Hans, and Aditya, Mikael, et
> 
> Hans, I was just curious about your git strategy and wanted to ask you about something.

I have no strategy. I see it as just an offline repository and archive.

The luametatex repos sort of resembles what I have on my machine but 
even then I always use intermediate 'compare before merge' steps that 
predate git. Git (or svn) is nice for seeing changes but I admit that I 
never roll-back using git. When I have to integrate something in e.g. 
luametatex that comes from git I always diff (winmerge) and "manually 
merge". So much for stragety: not that fancy.

The context updates are assembled from a completely different dev 
structure (think also of temporary files, runtime files for manuals etc 
that don't belong in something git) and turning that modus operandi into 
something git would make my way of doing things pretty inefficient, so 
unless very little changes etc happen i won't change that.

All the git magic is maintained by Mojca and occassionally we discuss 
how to move on (we have some pending install-from-git stuff but that 
might take a while before being promoted).

I'm not really interested in al the additional stuff like chats, pull 
requests, keeping track of comments in git, all these (for me useless) 
statistics. I don't want to end up in an endless 'check this or that' 
noose, so for me email and communicating (could be visual) with some 
involved does it well; more fun too.

For some other projects git(hub|lab) is a communication method, 
basically an on-line storage.

> Did you guys ever consider having a cgit interface and hosting it.
> 
> A bunch of projects have done it
> 
> heck. Even git, which is where everything solely depends on in the end, is running it.
> 
> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/git/git.git/
> 
> https://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/about/
There is not much to gain with adding yet another interface to what we 
have now. It only works if one or more people commit (no git pun 
intended) themselves long-term to it which relates to ie beging used.

(Keep in mind that it's all volunteer work.)

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] Software upgrade for ntg and contextgarden server 6 April

[Carlos via ntg-context]

On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 10:57:15AM +0200, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> On 4/15/2023 3:23 AM, Carlos via ntg-context wrote:
> 
> > thank you Taco, Hans, and Aditya, Mikael, et
> > 
> > Hans, I was just curious about your git strategy and wanted to ask you about something.
> 
> I have no strategy. I see it as just an offline repository and archive.

It's a strategy. It may not be the fanciest  but you wrote earlier:

>it's sort of the original git archive and our backup plan.                    
>                                                                                              
>  https://github.com/contextgarden/context 

‹backup plan› has the same meaning there than a master plan (no pun
intended with git) hence the association with a strategy. 

But when I wrote ‹strategy› it was not written with the intention
to convey a message of exhaustive calculations to get or divise the
plan of plans.  NO. Rather more like what the definition says about it

a plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major or overall aim.

what is the backup plan of git as an archive but just a backup
strategy. 
> 
> The luametatex repos sort of resembles what I have on my machine but even
> then I always use intermediate 'compare before merge' steps that predate
> git. Git (or svn) is nice for seeing changes but I admit that I never
> roll-back using git. When I have to integrate something in e.g. luametatex
> that comes from git I always diff (winmerge) and "manually merge". So much
> for stragety: not that fancy.

I agree 
> 
> The context updates are assembled from a completely different dev structure
> (think also of temporary files, runtime files for manuals etc that don't
> belong in something git) and turning that modus operandi into something git
> would make my way of doing things pretty inefficient, so unless very little
> changes etc happen i won't change that.
> 

But it's good for the memory Hans. It's good for us. Studies on humans
have revealed that learning or adapting  to new methods might prove
beneficial in the long run.

> All the git magic is maintained by Mojca and occassionally we discuss how to
> move on (we have some pending install-from-git stuff but that might take a
> while before being promoted).

> 
> I'm not really interested in al the additional stuff like chats, pull
> requests, keeping track of comments in git, all these (for me useless)
> statistics. I don't want to end up in an endless 'check this or that' noose,
> so for me email and communicating (could be visual) with some involved does
> it well; more fun too.

I agree with you there. But who said anything about messages, chats, and
the interactive social gitclub as gitlab, github and its ilk have
suddenly become part of 

> 
> For some other projects git(hub|lab) is a communication method, basically an
> on-line storage.
> 
> > Did you guys ever consider having a cgit interface and hosting it.
> > 
> > A bunch of projects have done it
> > 
> > heck. Even git, which is where everything solely depends on in the end, is running it.
> > 
> > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/git/git.git/
> > 
> > https://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/about/
> There is not much to gain with adding yet another interface to what we have
> now. It only works if one or more people commit (no git pun intended)
> themselves long-term to it which relates to ie beging used.
> 

It's just an interface much more simpler than what the git archive
backup interface currently in use presumably undergoes. Git is sort
of big as-is and that's not even counting all its remote helpers
by which all those places depend on (gitlab, github, bitbucket),
which makes it even bigger. 

I've just seen that interface in a few projects and thought it was nice
that the devs have somehow implemented it. 



> (Keep in mind that it's all volunteer work.)
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] Software upgrade for ntg and contextgarden server 6 April

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 4/16/2023 3:54 PM, Carlos via ntg-context wrote:

> It's just an interface much more simpler than what the git archive
> backup interface currently in use presumably undergoes. Git is sort
> of big as-is and that's not even counting all its remote helpers
> by which all those places depend on (gitlab, github, bitbucket),
> which makes it even bigger.
I use the windows github interface. Mojca showed me some alternatives 
but trhat's for power users,

Hans

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