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That is very helpful, and just what I needed. Thank you

Julian

On 27/8/20 9:16 pm, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 26.08.2020 um 19:39:
>> On 8/26/20 12:13 PM, jbf wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> Maybe, one of these days, someone with experience in both ConTeXt and
>>> InDesign (since InDesign is used by very many commercial publishers, 
>>> but
>>> I am trying to convince one of them of the value of ConTeXt) could 
>>> offer
>>> a comparison of the layout terminology/measurements/requirements for
>>> both. I for one would find that very helpful.
>> Hi Julian,
>>
>> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout#Typesetting_areas contains a
>> graphical description of the areas and
>
> I don't think the graphic is very useful to recreate a layout because 
> there are
> too many areas which are unimportant for the margins on each side.
>
> A simpler step by step introduction where you can see leftmargin
> doesn't matter for the layout is the better way (see attachment).
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
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    <p>That is very helpful, and just what I needed. Thank you</p>
    <p>Julian<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/8/20 9:16 pm, Wolfgang Schuster
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:0afc07a5-fd26-f1df-8a77-f533451ae830@gmail.com">Pablo
      Rodriguez schrieb am 26.08.2020 um 19:39:
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">On 8/26/20 12:13 PM, jbf wrote:
        <br>
        <blockquote type="cite">[...]
          <br>
          Maybe, one of these days, someone with experience in both
          ConTeXt and
          <br>
          InDesign (since InDesign is used by very many commercial
          publishers, but
          <br>
          I am trying to convince one of them of the value of ConTeXt)
          could offer
          <br>
          a comparison of the layout
          terminology/measurements/requirements for
          <br>
          both. I for one would find that very helpful.
          <br>
        </blockquote>
        Hi Julian,
        <br>
        <br>
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout#Typesetting_areas">https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout#Typesetting_areas</a> contains
        a
        <br>
        graphical description of the areas and
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      I don't think the graphic is very useful to recreate a layout
      because there are
      <br>
      too many areas which are unimportant for the margins on each side.
      <br>
      <br>
      A simpler step by step introduction where you can see leftmargin
      <br>
      doesn't matter for the layout is the better way (see attachment).
      <br>
      <br>
      Wolfgang
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
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