From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/22769 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Thomas A. Schmitz" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Beta bib module release Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:49:55 +0200 Message-ID: <814CE5C7-8AA1-4197-B150-ADE9D399546D@uni-bonn.de> References: <433942FD.50903@elvenkind.com> <433B9073.3030704@elvenkind.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1127980334 11007 80.91.229.2 (29 Sep 2005 07:52:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Sep 29 09:52:10 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EKtCG-0000eX-F3 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:51:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF5A127B4; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:51:16 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21753-06; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:51:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D163127B6; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:51:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3AC127B6 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:51:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21806-08 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:51:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com (mailout06.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.19]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1C2127B4 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:51:08 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from fwd34.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EKtC8-0004lR-03; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:51:08 +0200 Original-Received: from [192.168.0.2] (Tn+9t2ZEQerXRfL0nTRbuNtDpbezjE0t8CJBsQvZObYA1-OmpTbmop@[84.172.73.13]) by fwd34.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EKtBw-1nL9lo0; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:50:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: <433B9073.3030704@elvenkind.com> Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-ID: Tn+9t2ZEQerXRfL0nTRbuNtDpbezjE0t8CJBsQvZObYA1-OmpTbmop@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 247e827e-0298-437b-8459-7eaa0e2032ec X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on smtp.ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:22769 Archived-At: Hi Taco, disregard most of what I wrote yesterday: most of your new module is working fine, thanks so much! Haven't tested the new features yet, but will very soon. I'm especially thrilled by the \cite[right=] command and hope it works! One major (but probably easy-to-fix) problem is that your wonderfully clear syntax {}{} isn't working anymore. Here's an example. I have this line in my setup for books: \insertseries{ (}{), }{, }% which used to work: if the entry has information about the series, put it in parentheses and append a comma, if it doesn't, just put the comma. With the new module, I get an extra (), after every title, and the same is true for other constructs. One question: in the parsed bbl file, the bibtex field "address" is translated into "city," "publisher" into "pubname," and "year" into "pubyear." Is there a reason for this? I found it a bit confusing because you have a macro \insertpublisher which inserts "city, pubname"; coming from the names in the database, I couldn't figure out what was happening until I looked at the source. Would it be possible to just keep the fieldnames as bibtex has them? As for the vertical spacing problem: depending on the font and the settings for interlinespace, it is more or less visible. To see a really clear case, try setting the interlinespace to something really big like 5ex, then you can see that space within the entries is regular while space between entries is somewhat smaller. Again, thanks a lot for your wonderful work, and tot ziens! Thomas On Sep 29, 2005, at 8:57 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > Hi Thomas, > > Thomas A.Schmitz wrote: > >> Taco, >> just so you don't think nobody is interested in your new beta: I >> dlded it today and played with it, but had to revert to the old >> version because it somehow did not honor the modifications I made >> to \setuppublicationlayout (I was getting some default instead of >> my own version, and there were spurious periods and colons in all >> the entries). >> > > I saw those in my (very small) example file as well, but that is > from a database that is known to have flaws so I didn't investigate > any further and just assumed that they were caused by broken input. > I will check again. > > >> I will test it again within the next few days. By the way: I >> spent one hour last weekend and, by judiciously sprinkling some >> \unskip's in my definitions, had gotten rid of the extra spaces. >> I actually wanted to write to you about it this week... >> > > Don't you hate it when that happens? > > >> Meanwhile, the one thing that I find really disturbing is the >> messed up vertical spacing. I'm doing my first real-life book >> project with Context and your bib module. It won't be finished >> before sometime next year, but expect me to come knockin' on your >> door often. My bibliography is long (371 items), but fairly >> regular, so I think everything else is working just fine, but I >> can't give a pdf to the publisher where the lines are so >> irregular. Any chance of you looking into that soon? >> > > The vertical spacing in my example looks ok, so perhaps it > something in your setup that messes it up hard (or something in > my setup that masks the problem). Can you send me an excerpt for > testing maybe? > > Cheers, Taco > > > _______________________________________________ > ntg-context mailing list > ntg-context@ntg.nl > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >