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On 5/24/2021 16:28, Nicola wrote:
>     I don't know if this is restricted to inproceedings entries, but
> consider the following test.bib:
>
>      @inproceedings{Foo:1983,
>        author = {Foo, Bar},
>        booktitle = {Booktitle},
>        pages = {34--39},
>        title = {Title of the paper},
>        year = {1983}
>      }
>
> When this is typeset:
>
>      \usebtxdataset[test.bib]
>      \usebtxdefinitions[apa]
>      \starttext
>        \cite[Foo:1983]
>        \placelistofpublications
>      \stoptext
>
> the result is:
>
> (Foo, 1983)
> Foo, B. (1983). Title of the paper. In Title of the paper., Booktitle. Author.
>
> I would expect:
>
> (Foo, 1983)
> Foo, B. (1983). Title of the paper. In Booktitle, p. 34–39.
>
> or something similar.
>
> I can reproduce it with ConTeXt from TeX Live 2021 and the current LMTX.
> Is it a bug?
>
> Nicola

This is intended. Or rather, it is a side-effect of the intended behavior.

If you add an editor ("editor={Baz, Bar}") you will get something like:

    Foo, B. (1983). Title of the paper. In B. Baz (Ed.), /Booktitle/.
    Author.

And if you then add a publisher ("publisher={Paymefirst}") you will get:

    Foo, B. (1983). Title of the paper. In B. Bar (Ed.), Booktitle.
    Paymefirst.

The APA presumes that you have both an editor and a publisher for pieces 
contained in other works. It calls for the use of the author as 
publisher if no publisher is present. It is silent about what to do if 
you have no editor.

The editor and publisher fields are described as required in 
mkiv-publications.pdf (page 85), however, you should be able to define 
your own customized btx handling (see chapter 6) to override this, 
removing both the editor and the publisher as requirements. Just a 
little coding.

(I have previously suggested that repeating the title in the case of a 
missing editor should not be done. The behavior has not been changed in 
last the two years.)

You should take careful note of the following from page 29 of that manual:

    /A note on the APA style: /We get the strong impression that the APA
    bibliography style standard was made with the implicit assumption
    that manual intervention would be involved in the editing and
    production process; It has been an arduous task to create a system
    capable of fully conforming to these specifications.

I will add that there is still quite a bit of work to do for APA and 
pretty much any other published style. Manual tuning (or editorial 
leniency) is required to conform in all but the most basic cases.


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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/24/2021 16:28, Nicola wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:s8h29i$dh5$1@ciao.gmane.io">
      <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">   I don't know if this is restricted to inproceedings entries, but
consider the following test.bib:

    @inproceedings{Foo:1983,
      author = {Foo, Bar},
      booktitle = {Booktitle},
      pages = {34--39},
      title = {Title of the paper},
      year = {1983}
    }

When this is typeset:

    \usebtxdataset[test.bib]
    \usebtxdefinitions[apa]
    \starttext
      \cite[Foo:1983]
      \placelistofpublications
    \stoptext

the result is:

(Foo, 1983)
Foo, B. (1983). Title of the paper. In Title of the paper., Booktitle. Author.

I would expect:

(Foo, 1983)
Foo, B. (1983). Title of the paper. In Booktitle, p. 34–39.

or something similar.

I can reproduce it with ConTeXt from TeX Live 2021 and the current LMTX.
Is it a bug?

Nicola
</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <p>This is intended. Or rather, it is a side-effect of the intended
      behavior.<br>
    </p>
    <p>If you add an editor ("editor={Baz, Bar}") you will get something
      like:
    </p>
    <blockquote>
      <p>Foo, B. (1983). Title of the paper. In B. Baz (Ed.), <i>Booktitle</i>.
        Author.</p>
    </blockquote>
    <p>And if you then add a publisher ("publisher={Paymefirst}") you
      will get:<br>
    </p>
    <blockquote>
      <p>Foo, B. (1983). Title of the paper. In B. Bar (Ed.), Booktitle.
        Paymefirst.<br>
      </p>
    </blockquote>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The APA presumes that you have both an
      editor and a publisher for pieces contained in other works. It
      calls for the use of the author as publisher if no publisher is
      present. It is silent about what to do if you have no editor.</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> The editor and publisher fields are
      described as required in mkiv-publications.pdf (page 85), however,
      you should be able to define your own customized btx handling (see
      chapter 6) to override this, removing both the editor and the
      publisher as requirements. Just a little coding.</div>
    <p>(I have previously suggested that repeating the title in the case
      of a missing editor should not be done. The behavior has not been
      changed in last the two years.)</p>
    <p>You should take careful note of the following from page 29 of
      that manual:</p>
    <blockquote>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><i>A note on the APA style: </i>We
        get the strong impression that the APA bibliography style
        standard was made with the implicit assumption that manual
        intervention would be involved in the editing and production
        process; It has been an arduous task to create a system capable
        of fully conforming to these specifications.</div>
    </blockquote>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I will add that there is still quite a
      bit of work to do for APA and pretty much any other published
      style. Manual tuning (or editorial leniency) is required to
      conform in all but the most basic cases.<br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">
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