From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/71747 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Meer, H. van der" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: \startmode and \ignorespaces Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:09:38 +0000 Message-ID: <872E6023-F670-4C0E-86CB-1ED1BC0E3A7E@uva.nl> References: <201C6347-13D4-47B3-961B-F272A1C5BD75@googlemail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318586995 28414 80.91.229.12 (14 Oct 2011 10:09:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:09:55 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Oct 14 12:09:50 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1REei4-0007LN-Hq for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:09:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D99CB058; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:09:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id FHy2ErM0Xeou; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:09:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42743CB055; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:09:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED6ACB055 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:09:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id gaIbk6tRNBRV for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:09:41 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter4-til.mf.surf.net (filter4-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.220]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9527CCB02A for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:09:41 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from jansen.uva.nl (jansen.uva.nl [146.50.108.229]) by filter4-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p9EA9dtP026068 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:09:39 +0200 Original-Received: from katz.uva.nl ([fe80::dddf:f1e2:dda:1bd1]) by jansen.uva.nl ([146.50.108.229]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 12:09:38 +0200 Thread-Topic: [NTG-context] \startmode and \ignorespaces Thread-Index: AQHMilNkwVUq8qEx7E+2lnxr2+Tc55V7fJaA In-Reply-To: <201C6347-13D4-47B3-961B-F272A1C5BD75@googlemail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [82.95.102.36] Content-ID: <78EE4DDA1262B743A792F6DFAC5E6931@uva.nl> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=146.50.108.229; country=NL; region=07; city=Amsterdam; latitude=52.3500; longitude=4.9167; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.3500,4.9167&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 05FIy9D85 - fb7d6657c39c - 20111014 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.220 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:71747 Archived-At: On 14 okt. 2011, at 11:26, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > > Am 14.10.2011 um 10:38 schrieb Meer, H. van der: > >> I made an example of the effect of this on \doifmode and \startmode. The example shows that the appearance of extra space in \doifmode follows a regular pattern. The startmode case differs in that respect because \startmode[condition-true] has the extra space but \startmode[condition-false] has not. In my view that is an unwanted anomaly. A little redefinition remedies that as can be seen in the example. > > I wrote you already a few times that you can use the annotation module for this. The module serves also as replacement for the fixme module where it is necessary to take care that no extra spaces are added when the text is hidden. Wolfgang, Thanks for your reply, but I find it takes a sidetrack and does not answer the question. Please let me explain. It might well be that the annotation module does something of the sort, but that is not my point. The mode-mechanism is explicitely given as a means to do conditional typesetting. If I may cite from the wiki: "Very often, you want to generate multiple versions of the same document: one version for printing and one for viewing on the screen, one version for students and one version for the instructor, and so on. .. Or you could use modes - the ConTeXt way of doing conditional processing" Well, that is exactly what I want to do and I fail to see why another module (like annotation) should be necessary. Therefore, please do not keep pointing me to something that in my opinion is not needed in this case and is already fully provided for in ConTeXt. When I am pointing out something that I think is an anomaly in the behaviour of ConTeXt or probably not intentional, it is not meant as criticizing. To the contrary, my intention is always to make a constructive contribution. Your reply however is not an answer to the question I brought forward. It might be that there are reasons for not changing ConTeXt in the manner I proposed on this issue. I can live with that, because I have no role in the development. But I think it is legitimate to ask why that decision is made. I am certain you will understand this. Hans van der Meer ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________