Re: float/figure and wrapping text

Re: float/figure and wrapping text

[Randolph Bertin]

On Wednesday, January 4, 2006, at 05:00  AM, ntg-context-request@ntg.nl 
wrote:

> you can move the graphic with:
>
> \starttext
>
> \hangsidefloat[3] \placefigure[left]{}{} \input zapf \input zapf 
> \input zapf
>
> \movesidefloat[3*line] \placefigure[left]{}{} \input zapf \input zapf
> \input zapf
>
> \stoptext
>
> this is still page bound
>
> \movesidefloat[x=10pt,y=-30pt]
>
> also works, as does:
>
> \placefigure[left,3*line]{}{} \input zapf \input zapf \input zapf
>
> and in the next version:
>
> \placefigure[left,3*hang]{}{} \input zapf \input zapf \input zapf
>
> will work as well (i cannot post a patch because i first need to upload
> the version with the french interface)
>
> Hans
>
>



I tried all of the above examples, but all end up with the same result 
I already have, namely, if there is not enough room to fit the figure 
(in my project, this is an image) on the current page, a page break is 
issued (leaving the bottom portion of the page blank). What I would 
like to happen, is to go ahead and begin the next paragraph to fill the 
current page, and then place the graphic on the subsequent page (with 
text to the side).

Again, the issue only arises when there is not enough room on the 
current page to fit the figure. In my project, the figures are about 
1/2 the height of the main body text, so anytime the paragraph breaks 
below the midpoint of a page, any image placed there will cause a page 
break leaving the rest of the page blank.

Also, in the examples given, the ones using 3*line also set the image 
down three lines from the beginning of the paragraph. And while I might 
think that those first three lines should print across the full width 
of the main body text (directly above the image area), they only appear 
to the side of the image area, leaving three partially blank lines just 
above the image. Is that what is supposed to happen?

Regards,
Randolph

Re: float/figure and wrapping text

[Hans Hagen]

Randolph Bertin wrote:

>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2006, at 05:00  AM, 
> ntg-context-request@ntg.nl wrote:
>
>> you can move the graphic with:
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \hangsidefloat[3] \placefigure[left]{}{} \input zapf \input zapf 
>> \input zapf
>>
>> \movesidefloat[3*line] \placefigure[left]{}{} \input zapf \input zapf
>> \input zapf
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>> this is still page bound
>>
>> \movesidefloat[x=10pt,y=-30pt]
>>
>> also works, as does:
>>
>> \placefigure[left,3*line]{}{} \input zapf \input zapf \input zapf
>>
>> and in the next version:
>>
>> \placefigure[left,3*hang]{}{} \input zapf \input zapf \input zapf
>>
>> will work as well (i cannot post a patch because i first need to upload
>> the version with the french interface)
>>
>> Hans
>>
>>
>
>
>
> I tried all of the above examples, but all end up with the same result 
> I already have, namely, 


that's intended (ok, you can play with the hang to force a graphic to a 
next page but then you hav esemi automated makeup)

> if there is not enough room to fit the figure (in my project, this is 
> an image) on the current page, a page break is issued (leaving the 
> bottom portion of the page blank). What I would like to happen, is to 
> go ahead and begin the next paragraph to fill the current page, and 
> then place the graphic on the subsequent page (with text to the side).
>
that's what the attached file was doing ... keep in mind that this 
really stretches tex to the limits

Re: float/figure and wrapping text

[Randolph Bertin]

On Wednesday, January 4, 2006, at 10:12  AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Randolph Bertin wrote:
>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2006, at 05:00  AM, Hans wrote:
>>
>>> you can move the graphic with:
>>>
>>> \starttext
>>>
>>> \hangsidefloat[3] \placefigure[left]{}{} \input zapf \input zapf 
>>> \input zapf
>>>
>>> \movesidefloat[3*line] \placefigure[left]{}{} \input zapf \input zapf
>>> \input zapf
>>>
>>> \stoptext
>>>
>>> this is still page bound
>>>
>>> \movesidefloat[x=10pt,y=-30pt]
>>>
>>> also works, as does:
>>>
>>> \placefigure[left,3*line]{}{} \input zapf \input zapf \input zapf
>>>
>>> and in the next version:
>>>
>>> \placefigure[left,3*hang]{}{} \input zapf \input zapf \input zapf
>>>
>>> will work as well (i cannot post a patch because i first need to 
>>> upload
>>> the version with the french interface)
>>>
>>> Hans
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I tried all of the above examples, but all end up with the same 
>> result I already have, namely,
>
>
> that's intended (ok, you can play with the hang to force a graphic to 
> a next page but then you hav esemi automated makeup)
>
>> if there is not enough room to fit the figure (in my project, this is 
>> an image) on the current page, a page break is issued (leaving the 
>> bottom portion of the page blank). What I would like to happen, is to 
>> go ahead and begin the next paragraph to fill the current page, and 
>> then place the graphic on the subsequent page (with text to the >> side).
>>
> that's what the attached file was doing ... keep in mind that this 
> really stretches tex to the limits



Hans, I'm not sure what you mean by attached file. Are you referring to 
the examples above?

Maybe I am asking the question in the wrong way.

First, I want to make sure that the behavior I am observing is what one 
would expect:
Namely, if there is not enough room on a page, \placefloat will 
*continue setting text on that page* and then put the float at the 
beginning of the next page. But, for \placefigure if there is not 
enough room on a page it will *issue a page break* and begin a new page 
with with figure, leaving the remainder of the previous page blank.

Is there a way to get wrapped around a figure placed using \placefloat?

Randolph

Re: float/figure and wrapping text (An Example)

[Randolph Bertin]

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Here is an example illustrating the situation (and perhaps a problem or 
two):

---------------------------------------
\setuppapersize[letter]
\starttext

\input zapf

\input zapf

\input zapf

\input zapf

If using placefigure without enough space left on the page, this will 
be the last paragraph, but if we use placefloat, part of the knuth text 
will appear before the break.

\hangsidefloat[2] \placeFLOGURE [left] {}{} \input knuth

\input zapf

\input zapf

\stoptext



------------------------------------

Where the example reads \placeFLOGURE just edit to read either 
\placefigure or \placefloat and then typeset the text. Afterwards, 
change it to the other, typeset, and note the difference in where the 
page breaks, and what happens on the subsequent page.

I have a couple of questions concerning the example.

(1) If you comment out one (or two) of the first set of "\input zapf" 
commands, then the \hangsidefloat[2]\placefigure works *beautifully*, 
with two lines of text above the figure, the next lines to the side, 
and then again, underneath the figure.

However, when the example is run as originally specified (with all the 
'\input zapf' text), and the figure is pushed to the next page, for 
some reason the 2 lines that appeared above the figure now appear 
aligned with the lines to the side of the figure, with blank space 
above. Is this the correct behavior, or a bug, or am I just failing to 
understand the subtleties of hanging side floats?

(2) Even though I specify "left" when using \placefloat, it appears 
*centered* on the page. Again, is that the correct behavior, or a bug 
or am I just failing to understand the mechanism for float placement.

(3) Is there a way to have text wrap around a \placefloat or is that 
only a feature of \placefigure ?


Regards,
Randolph

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Here is an example illustrating the situation (and perhaps a problem
or two):


---------------------------------------

\setuppapersize[letter]

\starttext


\input zapf 


\input zapf 


\input zapf 


\input zapf


If using placefigure without enough space left on the page, this will
be the last paragraph, but if we use placefloat, part of the knuth
text will appear before the break.


\hangsidefloat[2] \placeFLOGURE [left] {}{} \input knuth


\input zapf 


\input zapf


\stoptext




------------------------------------


Where the example reads \placeFLOGURE just edit to read either
\placefigure or \placefloat and then typeset the text. Afterwards,
change it to the other, typeset, and note the difference in where the
page breaks, and what happens on the subsequent page.


I have a couple of questions concerning the example.


(1) If you comment out one (or two) of the first set of "\input zapf"
commands, then the \hangsidefloat[2]\placefigure works *beautifully*,
with two lines of text above the figure, the next lines to the side,
and then again, underneath the figure. 


However, when the example is run as originally specified (with all the
'\input zapf' text), and the figure is pushed to the next page, for
some reason the 2 lines that appeared above the figure now appear
aligned with the lines to the side of the figure, with blank space
above. Is this the correct behavior, or a bug, or am I just failing to
understand the subtleties of hanging side floats?


(2) Even though I specify "left" when using \placefloat, it appears
*centered* on the page. Again, is that the correct behavior, or a bug
or am I just failing to understand the mechanism for float placement.


(3) Is there a way to have text wrap around a \placefloat or is that
only a feature of \placefigure ?



Regards,

Randolph


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