Re: ntg-context Digest, Vol 205, Issue 1 // log: use \thinspace instead of \,

Re: ntg-context Digest, Vol 205, Issue 1 // log: use \thinspace instead of \,

[Rudd, Kevin]

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Revisiting this one---as noted in the thread \, used to work in text mode;
according to the logs it was deprecated and now produces an error
preventing most of my documents from compiling.

Is there solution that restores \, (and friends) for abbreviated spacing in text mode
that doesn't require bulk changes to all of my documents
(and making the source documents hard to type/read)?
I appreciate using the more verbose \thinspace in macros
but the abbreviations have real value in bulk text,
especially when heavily used.

I have many uses throughout my documents where I need a thin space
(such as working with SI units) where it would be very awkward
to use \thinspace everywhere in the source text.

for example, consider a simple example that used to work but no longer does
with the alternatives that I'm aware of:

    32\,MiB--64\,MiB

    32$\,$MiB--64$\,$MiB
    32\thinspace MiB--64\thinspace MiB

The difference in both writeability and readability for these cases is significant,
especially when there are many uses close together in either text or table.

Thanks,
 ---K

Re: log: use \thinspace instead of \,

On 6/30/2021 10:57 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Alan Braslau schrieb am 29.06.2021 um 17:40:
On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 14:06:02 +0200
Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net<mailto:texml@fiee.net>> wrote:

Maybe, but in running text I use \, all the time e.\,g. in
abbreviations or for numbers (10\,000). At least in German typography
these “spatiums” are necessary.
In French typography as well.

Indeed,
American: 10,000.00
French:   10\,000,00
(and other languages).

This is quite readable, and much preferred to the use of any kind of
macro that might format numbers according to language.

I find that students often need such helpers when deciphering many
digits.

Let's not forget all of these spaces commands are used in math mode.
Sure, and thet adaot to math mode. They will nto dissppear, it's just
that in macros I like more verbose names.

Hans

Kevin W. Rudd, Ph.D.
CAPT, USN (Ret)

Computer Architecture & Computer Engineering
Advanced Computing Systems (ACS) Research Program
Laboratory for Physical Sciences (LPS)

443-654-7878
kevin@lps.umd.edu<mailto:kevin@lps.umd.edu>

Visiting Research Professor
United States Naval Academy

rudd@usna.edu<mailto:rudd@usna.edu>
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Re: ntg-context Digest, Vol 205, Issue 1 // log: use \thinspace instead of \,

[Hans Hagen]

On 7/21/2021 11:04 AM, Rudd, Kevin wrote:
> Revisiting this one---as noted in the thread \, used to work in text mode;
> according to the logs it was deprecated and now produces an error
> preventing most of my documents from compiling.
> 
> Is there solution that restores \, (and friends) for abbreviated spacing 
> in text mode
> that doesn't require bulk changes to all of my documents
> (and making the source documents hard to type/read)?
> I appreciate using the more verbose \thinspace in macros
> but the abbreviations have real value in bulk text,
> especially when heavily used.
> 
> I have many uses throughout my documents where I need a thin space
> (such as working with SI units) where it would be very awkward
> to use \thinspace everywhere in the source text.
> 
> for example, consider a simple example that used to work but no longer does
> with the alternatives that I'm aware of:
> 
>      32\,MiB--64\,MiB
> 
>      32$\,$MiB--64$\,$MiB
>      32\thinspace MiB--64\thinspace MiB
> 
> The difference in both writeability and readability for these cases is 
> significant
afaikt

\starttext
     test\,test
\stoptext

just works (\unit {32 mebibyte}--\unit {64 mebibyte} also works)

Hans


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Re: ntg-context Digest, Vol 205, Issue 1 // log: use \thinspace instead of \,

[Rudd, Kevin]

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Argh; mea culpa. Thanks for the very quick reply, Hans. It does work "as expected" (albeit deprecated)---Tracking down errors, I was misled by an error immediately following the deprecation warning and associated it with the warning, not the subsequent text.

Thanks,
 ---K

Kevin W. Rudd, Ph.D.
CAPT, USN (Ret)

Computer Architecture & Computer Engineering
Advanced Computing Systems (ACS) Research Program
Laboratory for Physical Sciences (LPS)

443-654-7878
kevin@lps.umd.edu<mailto:kevin@lps.umd.edu>

Visiting Research Professor
United States Naval Academy

rudd@usna.edu<mailto:rudd@usna.edu>


On Jul 21, 2021, at 05:48, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl<mailto:j.hagen@xs4all.nl>> wrote:

On 7/21/2021 11:04 AM, Rudd, Kevin wrote:
Revisiting this one---as noted in the thread \, used to work in text mode;
according to the logs it was deprecated and now produces an error
preventing most of my documents from compiling.
Is there solution that restores \, (and friends) for abbreviated spacing in text mode
that doesn't require bulk changes to all of my documents
(and making the source documents hard to type/read)?
I appreciate using the more verbose \thinspace in macros
but the abbreviations have real value in bulk text,
especially when heavily used.
I have many uses throughout my documents where I need a thin space
(such as working with SI units) where it would be very awkward
to use \thinspace everywhere in the source text.
for example, consider a simple example that used to work but no longer does
with the alternatives that I'm aware of:
    32\,MiB--64\,MiB
    32$\,$MiB--64$\,$MiB
    32\thinspace MiB--64\thinspace MiB
The difference in both writeability and readability for these cases is significant
afaikt

\starttext
   test\,test
\stoptext

just works (\unit {32 mebibyte}--\unit {64 mebibyte} also works)

Hans


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