workaround for another too-low symbol in Pagella?

workaround for another too-low symbol in Pagella?

[Sanjoy Mahajan]

Here's another math symbol that I think is too low: the vertical bar in
Palatino/Pagella.  Here's an almost-minimal example.  I've left in the
surrounding text, to show how it's used (in probability, as P(H|E)).

I think the bottom of the bar is correct, but the tip of the bar doesn't
reach to the top of the H or E.

\setupbodyfont[palatino]
\starttext
\placeformula\startformula
\text{P}(
H\,|\, E
)
\stopformula
\stoptext

Again, I don't think it's a ConTeXt problem, but rather a Pagella
problem.  But is there a recommended ConTeXt workaround?  Maybe a
metafun symbol?

-Sanjoy

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Re: workaround for another too-low symbol in Pagella?

[Otared Kavian]

Hi Sanjoy,

I think that this a font related problem since in Plain TeX and mkii the following
	$${\rm P}(H\, | \, E)$$
gives the same result as in mkiv when using the default LM fonts, and the top (resp. the bottom) of the bar | is aligned with the top (resp. the bottom) of the parentheses, while in Palatino (Pagella) this does not seem to be the case.

Best regards: OK

On 9 mai 2014, at 23:06, Sanjoy Mahajan <sanjoy@mit.edu> wrote:

> Here's another math symbol that I think is too low: the vertical bar in
> Palatino/Pagella.  Here's an almost-minimal example.  I've left in the
> surrounding text, to show how it's used (in probability, as P(H|E)).
> 
> I think the bottom of the bar is correct, but the tip of the bar doesn't
> reach to the top of the H or E.
> 
> \setupbodyfont[palatino]
> \starttext
> \placeformula\startformula
> \text{P}(
> H\,|\, E
> )
> \stopformula
> \stoptext
> 
> Again, I don't think it's a ConTeXt problem, but rather a Pagella
> problem.  But is there a recommended ConTeXt workaround?  Maybe a
> metafun symbol?
> 
> -Sanjoy
> 
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Re: workaround for another too-low symbol in Pagella?

[Sanjoy Mahajan]

Otared,

I agree (and that it's not ConTeXt's fault).  Palatino ("Palladio")
works fine (using LaTeX with \usepackage{mathpazo}).  Only Pagella does
not.

I will try Mikael Sundqvist's fallback trick or method ("a trick I use
twice," said Polya), borrowing from LM.

-Sanjoy


 Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi Sanjoy,
>
> I think that this a font related problem since in Plain TeX and mkii the following
> 	$${\rm P}(H\, | \, E)$$
> gives the same result as in mkiv when using the default LM fonts, and the top (resp. the bottom) of the bar | is aligned with the top (resp. the bottom) of the parentheses, while in Palatino (Pagella) this does not seem to be the case.
>
> Best regards: OK
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