From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/11379 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Patrick Gundlach Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Fonts again in ConTeXt Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:43:40 +0100 Organization: privat Sender: ntg-context-admin@ntg.nl Message-ID: <87fzps615f.fsf@gundla.ch> References: <03031214263404.11186@mondriaan> <03031214263404.11186@mondriaan> <5.1.0.14.1.20030312160932.024c08e8@server-1> Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1047484064 28905 80.91.224.249 (12 Mar 2003 15:47:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-admin@ntg.nl Wed Mar 12 16:47:43 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from ref.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.13] helo=ref.ntg.nl) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18t8Pi-0007DA-00 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:45:06 +0100 Original-Received: from ref.ntg.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ref.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A161010B92; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:45:47 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by ref.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9662310B84 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:43:56 +0100 (MET) Original-Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18t8Oa-0001Hm-00 for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:43:56 +0100 Original-Received: from [129.217.137.155] (helo=levana) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18t8OZ-00037k-00 for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:43:56 +0100 Original-Received: from pg by levana with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18t8OK-0000mB-00 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:43:40 +0100 Original-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Lieblings-Musik: a.c. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030312160932.024c08e8@server-1> (Hans Hagen's message of "Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:11:10 +0100") Original-Lines: 41 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i586-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: ntg-context-admin@ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:11379 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:11379 Hans Hagen writes: Hello Hans, > At 03:05 PM 3/12/2003 +0100, you wrote: > >>Well, in my opinion, the berry typesript is sub-optimal, since it >>maps to the urw variants that are a) shipped with a few TeX systems only >>and b) (even worse) the urw variant helvetica (nimbus sans) is of no >>real use for the german people out there (broken germandbls). > > then, how many people do have the adobe palatino's? None that I know of. But this is IMHO irelevant: the current TeX practice is: 1) TeX macro package (aka LaTeX ;-) asks for "Adobe Helvetica", it gets the font metrics from "phv....tfm". Then, in the map files the users decides whether to use the original adobe fonts or the substitues. 2) TeX macro package (aka ConTeXt ;-) asks for "URW Nimbus Sans" a) on TeXlive (and perhaps any other I don't kown of) it gets the metrics from "uhv....tfm". Then, in the map files the user has no choice; the dvi/pdf driver should take Nimbus Sans. b) on teTeX (+...?) with some special mappings it gets the "phv....tfm" metrics. Then see above at 1). I think it is wrong behaviour to explicitly ask for the substitution and leave the user no choice about which variant (adobe, urw) to use. > concerning the broken german ss: the polish font gurus (you'll meet > them at the dante meeting) have made extended versions of those urw > fonts, so maybe that will help. [the normal urw also don't have > ogoneked glyphs] Well, concerning the ss: Just install the Adobe Helvetica (free) and that's it (except for patching ConTeXt ;-) Patrick