Re: Re: de quoteing

Re: Re: de quoteing

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

Hallo!

> > I have set: \mainlanguage[de]
> > But Apostroph is still 6 not 9. How can I change this?

Grrr! This was homemade. Some character 0x91 in my inputfile. 

> Here is an example file. Note that you need a font that has these
> characters available (cmr does not). For the < and > see leftquote

What about cmsy \ll ? In LaTeX this is used to build \flqq.

> and rightquotation. These are the possibilities for the "french"
> quotation marks.

By texexecing this file, the font utmr8r could' nt be found?!
Should this be available in a standard debian-distribution?

> ==================================================
> \usetypescript[berry][8r]
> \setupencoding[default=8r] 
> 
> \setupbodyfont[pos]
> 
> \mainlanguage[de]
> \starttext
> 
> such' doch 
> 
> %latest beta version for this (german example file):
> \input aesop-de
> 
> \blank[big]
> 
> %your context version should not be too old...
> \setuplanguage[de][leftquotation=\rightguillemot, 
>                    rightquotation=\leftguillemot]
> 
> \input aesop-de
> \stoptext
> ==================================================

Wolfgang

Re: de quoteing

[Patrick Gundlach]

"Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini" <wwl@musensturm.de> writes:

Hello Wolfang,


> By texexecing this file, the font utmr8r could' nt be found?!
> Should this be available in a standard debian-distribution?


Which debian are you using? In potato the tetex was kind of broken
(in this respect).

I'll send you a testfile off list.

Patrick

Re: de quoteing

[Patrick Gundlach]

"Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini" <wwl@musensturm.de> writes:

Hello again,

> What about cmsy \ll ? In LaTeX this is used to build \flqq.

come on, \ll is *ugly*. This is a "don't do it". But in case you
really need this, see example below. But, (I should put this into my
signature) Hans has very likely a much better way to switch to the
samller font. Too bad \tfxxx is not avaliable...

Patrick

==================================================
%% This is an ugly hack. Please ask Hans for a nice replacement. With
%% 12pt bodyfontsize the symbol-font should be cmsy6 notscaled!
\definesymbol [uglyleft]  
    [\raise.27ex\hbox{\setupbodyfont[small]\tfxx\getglyph{cmsy6}{\char29}}]
\definesymbol [uglyright] 
    [\raise.27ex\hbox{\setupbodyfont[small]\tfxx\getglyph{cmsy6}{\char28}}]

\mainlanguage[de]
\setuplanguage[de][leftquotation={\symbol[uglyleft]}, 
                   rightquotation={\symbol[uglyright]}]

\starttext

%latest beta version for this (german example file):
\input aesop-de

\blank[big]

\usetypescript[berry][8r]
\setupencoding[default=8r] 
\setupbodyfont[pos]

%your context version should not be too old...
\setuplanguage[de][leftquotation=\rightguillemot, 
                   rightquotation=\leftguillemot]


\input aesop-de
\stoptext
==================================================

Re: Re: de quoteing

[Hans Hagen]

At 01:12 PM 1/31/2003 +0100, you wrote:

>come on, \ll is *ugly*. This is a "don't do it". But in case you
>really need this, see example below. But, (I should put this into my
>signature) Hans has very likely a much better way to switch to the
>samller font. Too bad \tfxxx is not avaliable...

Is there any need for an xxx? it's not that hard to implement that (search 
for !xx in font-ini and you'll see why), but is it worth the overhead?

Hans

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Re: de quoteing

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

Hello Hans,

>>signature) Hans has very likely a much better way to switch to the
>>samller font. Too bad \tfxxx is not avaliable...
>
> Is there any need for an xxx? it's not that hard to implement that
> (search for !xx in font-ini and you'll see why), but is it worth the
> overhead?

I sure had a look in font-ini.tex :). There is no real need. But if I
know how to get similar results without too many side effects, that
would be fine. I have used \setupbodyfont [small] \tfxx in a local
group. I just don't know if this is OK or not (side effects, you know
:)

Patrick

Re: Re: de quoteing

[Hans Hagen]

At 04:23 PM 1/31/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
>
>Hello Hans,
>
> >>signature) Hans has very likely a much better way to switch to the
> >>samller font. Too bad \tfxxx is not avaliable...
> >
> > Is there any need for an xxx? it's not that hard to implement that
> > (search for !xx in font-ini and you'll see why), but is it worth the
> > overhead?
>
>I sure had a look in font-ini.tex :). There is no real need. But if I
>know how to get similar results without too many side effects, that
>would be fine. I have used \setupbodyfont [small] \tfxx in a local
>group. I just don't know if this is OK or not (side effects, you know
>:)

\small \tfx is fine and when typefaces are used even not that slow

Hans
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Re: de quoteing

[Patrick Gundlach]

Johannes Hüsing <hannes@ruhrau.de> writes:

Hello Johannes ...


> This is an example of a misplaced apostrophe, six or nine, no matter.

uuh, it was just a test if there is anybody out there who really reads
my mails.... ;-)


> "Such" and "suche" are both legal imperative forms of "suchen", so 
> no indication of a missing letter is necessary.

OK, you are right. Another try:

Wir treffen uns nach 'm Essen. 

Patrick

Re: de quoteing

[Patrick Gundlach]

"Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini" <wwl@musensturm.de> writes:

(Wolfgang, sorry for receiving this post twice, it is really late ...)

Hello Wolfgang,


> I have set: \mainlanguage[de]
> But Apostroph is still 6 not 9. How can I change this?

The apostrophe should be 9. This is default in the current
version. See testfile below.

>
> How to change quotation to >> something << and quote to > some <  ?

See the command 

\setuplanguage[...][...,...=...,...]


[...]		   nl fr en uk de es cz ..
[...,...=...,...]  see \installlanguage (1)


and

\installlanguage[...][...,...=...,...]


[...]		   <name>
spacing		   packed broad
lefthyphenmin	   <dimension>
righthyphenmin	   <dimension>
state		   start stop
leftsentence	   <command>
rightsentence	   <command>
leftsubsentence	   <command>
rightsubsentence   <command>
leftquote	   <command>
rightquote	   <command>
leftquotation	   <command>
rightquotation	   <command>
default		   <name>


Here is an example file. Note that you need a font that has these
characters available (cmr does not). For the < and > see leftquote
and rightquotation. These are the possibilities for the "french"
quotation marks.

%% guilsingleleft 
%% guilsingleright
%% leftguillemot  
%% rightguillemot 


==================================================
\usetypescript[berry][8r]
\setupencoding[default=8r] 

\setupbodyfont[pos]

\mainlanguage[de]
\starttext

such' doch 

%latest beta version for this (german example file):
\input aesop-de

\blank[big]

%your context version should not be too old...
\setuplanguage[de][leftquotation=\rightguillemot, 
                   rightquotation=\leftguillemot]

\input aesop-de
\stoptext
==================================================


Patrick

de quoteing

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

Hallo!

I have set: \mainlanguage[de]

But Apostroph is still 6 not 9. How can I change this?

How to change quotation to >> something << and quote to > some <  ?

Thank you for answering this beginer questions

Wolfgang