layout problem

layout problem

[Antoine Junod]

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Dear list,

I've got two layout problems I can't resolve by myself:

* On the left pages, in the left margin, there is a white stripe. I
  don't really understand why. I've read on the wiki that when we
  describe a layout for a double page layout, the left pages layout is
  a mirror of the right ones. And on the right ones, there are no
  white stripes...

* My 'printer' (the company that will print the booklet for me, not
  sure that the good word) asks me to provide him with a document that
  is 2mm larger and 2mm higher that the final one to be sure he can
  print precisely to the exact border of the paper. I don't want to
  magnify the whole document as it will maybe cut some
  information. Any idea on how I could achive that?

Linked is the pdf output. Below is the minimal example used to create
the pdf output.

Thanks a lot for your reply,
-AJ


Here is my setup:

\setuppapersize[A5][A4]
\setuparranging[2UP,rotated]
\setuppagenumbering
 [alternative=doublesided]
\definelayout
        [default]
        [leftmargin=0mm,rightmargin=24mm,
         topspace=0mm,backspace=10mm,
         width=115mm, height=middle]
\setuplayout[default]
\setupbodyfont[sansserif,10pt]
\enableregime[utf]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\definecolor
        [marginblue]
        [c=.71,m=.58,y=0,k=.43]
\setupbackgrounds
        [text,header,footer]
        [rightmargin]
        [background=color,backgroundcolor=marginblue]
\starttext
page de titre
\page[yes]
colophon
\page[yes]
\section{Le mot du président}
pouet
\page[yes]
toujours les bêtises d'Alain
\page[yes]
\section{Votre comité}
\stoptext


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Re: layout problem

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Antoine Junod schrieb:
> Dear list,
> 
> I've got two layout problems I can't resolve by myself:
> 
> * On the left pages, in the left margin, there is a white stripe. I
>   don't really understand why. I've read on the wiki that when we
>   describe a layout for a double page layout, the left pages layout is
>   a mirror of the right ones. And on the right ones, there are no
>   white stripes...


A5 paper has not the exactly the half size as A4 paper.

A4 has a height of 297mm and A5 a width of 148mm.

297 - 2 * 148 = 1mm (the gap on the left side).

Wolfgang
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Re: layout problem

[Antoine Junod]

Hi Wolfgang :)

Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> writes:

> Antoine Junod schrieb:
>> Dear list,
>> I've got two layout problems I can't resolve by myself:
>> * On the left pages, in the left margin, there is a white stripe. I
>>   don't really understand why. I've read on the wiki that when we
>>   describe a layout for a double page layout, the left pages layout is
>>   a mirror of the right ones. And on the right ones, there are no
>>   white stripes...
>
>
> A5 paper has not the exactly the half size as A4 paper.
>
> A4 has a height of 297mm and A5 a width of 148mm.
>
> 297 - 2 * 148 = 1mm (the gap on the left side).

God. I always thought it was exactly one half of A4. Thanks for the
info.

A+
-AJ
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Re: layout problem

[Martin Schröder]

2009/2/9 Antoine Junod <toto@tots-ns.net>:
>> A5 paper has not the exactly the half size as A4 paper.
>>
>> A4 has a height of 297mm and A5 a width of 148mm.
>>
>> 297 - 2 * 148 = 1mm (the gap on the left side).
>
> God. I always thought it was exactly one half of A4. Thanks for the
> info.

ISO 216 paper sizes are always rounded to full millimeters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_A4

Best
   Martin
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Re: layout problem

[Antoine Junod]

Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> writes:

> Antoine Junod schrieb:
>> Dear list,
>> I've got two layout problems I can't resolve by myself:
>> * On the left pages, in the left margin, there is a white stripe. I
>>   don't really understand why. I've read on the wiki that when we
>>   describe a layout for a double page layout, the left pages layout is
>>   a mirror of the right ones. And on the right ones, there are no
>>   white stripes...
>
> A5 paper has not the exactly the half size as A4 paper.
>
> A4 has a height of 297mm and A5 a width of 148mm.
>
> 297 - 2 * 148 = 1mm (the gap on the left side).

So, for the record, the only solution I found to center my two A5
pages on the A4 one is to add veroffset=.5mm (ie, half of Wolfgang's
milimeter) to the layout definition.

If anybody has something better, feel free to complete the thread :)

All the best,
-AJ
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Re: layout problem

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Antoine Junod schrieb:
> Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> writes:
> 
>> Antoine Junod schrieb:
>>> Dear list,
>>> I've got two layout problems I can't resolve by myself:
>>> * On the left pages, in the left margin, there is a white stripe. I
>>>   don't really understand why. I've read on the wiki that when we
>>>   describe a layout for a double page layout, the left pages layout is
>>>   a mirror of the right ones. And on the right ones, there are no
>>>   white stripes...
>> A5 paper has not the exactly the half size as A4 paper.
>>
>> A4 has a height of 297mm and A5 a width of 148mm.
>>
>> 297 - 2 * 148 = 1mm (the gap on the left side).
> 
> So, for the record, the only solution I found to center my two A5
> pages on the A4 one is to add veroffset=.5mm (ie, half of Wolfgang's
> milimeter) to the layout definition.
> 
> If anybody has something better, feel free to complete the thread :)

\setuplayout[location=middle]
\setuplayout[default]

Wolfgang
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Re: layout problem

[Antoine Junod]

Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> writes:

> Antoine Junod schrieb:
>> Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> Antoine Junod schrieb:
>>>> Dear list,
>>>> I've got two layout problems I can't resolve by myself:
>>>> * On the left pages, in the left margin, there is a white stripe. I
>>>>   don't really understand why. I've read on the wiki that when we
>>>>   describe a layout for a double page layout, the left pages layout is
>>>>   a mirror of the right ones. And on the right ones, there are no
>>>>   white stripes...
>>> A5 paper has not the exactly the half size as A4 paper.
>>>
>>> A4 has a height of 297mm and A5 a width of 148mm.
>>>
>>> 297 - 2 * 148 = 1mm (the gap on the left side).
>> So, for the record, the only solution I found to center my two A5
>> pages on the A4 one is to add veroffset=.5mm (ie, half of Wolfgang's
>> milimeter) to the layout definition.
>> If anybody has something better, feel free to complete the thread :)
>
> \setuplayout[location=middle]
> \setuplayout[default]

It works... but if I put location=middle in \definelayout, as I tried,
it does not works. I'm a bit lost, right now :)

A+
-AJ
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Re: layout problem

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Antoine Junod schrieb:

>>> So, for the record, the only solution I found to center my two A5
>>> pages on the A4 one is to add veroffset=.5mm (ie, half of Wolfgang's
>>> milimeter) to the layout definition.
>>> If anybody has something better, feel free to complete the thread :)

>> \setuplayout[location=middle]
>> \setuplayout[default]
> 
> It works... but if I put location=middle in \definelayout, as I tried,
> it does not works. I'm a bit lost, right now :)

Not all setting from \setuplayout work also with \definelayout,
e.g. the location keys or the grid option.

Wolfgang

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Re: layout problem

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Antoine Junod schrieb:

> I've got two layout problems I can't resolve by myself:
> 
> * My 'printer' (the company that will print the booklet for me, not
>   sure that the good word) asks me to provide him with a document that
>   is 2mm larger and 2mm higher that the final one to be sure he can
>   print precisely to the exact border of the paper. I don't want to
>   magnify the whole document as it will maybe cut some
>   information. Any idea on how I could achive that?

Not so easy because you can't use backgrounds tricks but it can
be done with modified page dimension.

> Here is my setup:
> 
> \setuppapersize[A5][A4]

Make the resulting page 2mm larger on each side.

\definepapersize[A5plus][width=150mm,height=214mm]
\definepapersize[A4plus][width=214mm,height=300mm]

\setuppapersize[A5plus][A4plus]

> \setuparranging[2UP,rotated]
> \setuppagenumbering
>  [alternative=doublesided]
> \definelayout
>         [default]
>         [leftmargin=0mm,rightmargin=24mm,
>          topspace=0mm,backspace=10mm,
>          width=115mm, height=middle]

\definelayout
   [default]
   [leftmargin=0mm,
    rightmargin=24mm,
    top=2mm,
    bottom=2mm,
    topspace=2mm,
    backspace=10mm,
    width=115mm,
    height=middle]

%\setuplayout[location=middle] % not necessary

> \setuplayout[default]
> \setupbodyfont[sansserif,10pt]
> \enableregime[utf]
> \setupcolors[state=start]
> \definecolor
>         [marginblue]
>         [c=.71,m=.58,y=0,k=.43]
> \setupbackgrounds
>         [text,header,footer]
>         [rightmargin]
>         [background=color,backgroundcolor=marginblue]

\setupbackgrounds
   [top,header,text,footer,bottom]
   [rightmargin]
   [background=color,backgroundcolor=marginblue]

Wolfgang
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Re: layout problem

[Antoine Junod]

Dear all,

I follow up my own post to answer my own question:

Antoine Junod <toto@tots-ns.net> writes:

[...]

> * My 'printer' (the company that will print the booklet for me, not
>   sure that the good word) asks me to provide him with a document that
>   is 2mm larger and 2mm higher that the final one to be sure he can
>   print precisely to the exact border of the paper. I don't want to
>   magnify the whole document as it will maybe cut some
>   information. Any idea on how I could achive that?

What I did first has been to define two new paper sizes. The first
one, pca4 is the format I have to send to the printer. The second one
is exactly half size of the first one:

\definepapersize[pca4][width=212mm,height=299mm]
\definepapersize[pca5][width=149.5mm, height=212mm]

Then, I put two pca5 on one pca5:

\setuppapersize[pca5][pca4]
\setuparranging[2UP,rotated]

The only thing I changed to my layout was the outside margin
(rightmargin), to which I added pca5.width minus a5.width (that is
1.5mm).

\definelayout
        [default]
        [leftmargin=0mm,rightmargin=25.5mm, % instead of 24mm
         topspace=0mm,backspace=10mm,
         width=115mm,height=middle]

\setuplayout[location=middle]
\setuplayout[default]

This is not a good solution because the 'security' milimeters are part
of the margin (ie, if you center something in the margin, it won't be
still centered after printing / cutting).

So, if anybody has a solution to even 'extend' the borders of a given
size or put graphics on the 'container' (here, pca4), I'm a buyer :)

Thanks to everybody,
-AJ
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