lowerleftdoubleninequote

lowerleftdoubleninequote

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

Hallo!

'lowerleftdoubleninequote' in german seems to be an double
lowerleftninequote,
whereas 'upperrightdoublesixquote' seems to be the ligature.

Wolfgang

Re: lowerleftdoubleninequote

[Patrick Gundlach]

"Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini" <wwl@musensturm.de> writes:

Hello Wolfgang,


> 'lowerleftdoubleninequote' in german seems to be an double
> lowerleftninequote,
> whereas 'upperrightdoublesixquote' seems to be the ligature.

actually 'lowerleftdoubleninequote' are two "," without any
kerning. You can add the kerning by:

\definecharacter quotedblbase     {,\kern -.1em,}


Hans: is there any way to make this default when using cmr?

Patrick

Re: Re: lowerleftdoubleninequote

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

>> 'lowerleftdoubleninequote' in german seems to be an double
>> lowerleftninequote,
>> whereas 'upperrightdoublesixquote' seems to be the ligature.
> actually 'lowerleftdoubleninequote' are two "," without any
> kerning. You can add the kerning by:
> \definecharacter quotedblbase     {,\kern -.1em,}
>
> Hans: is there any way to make this default when using cmr?

Worse: With some fonts two different commas are used (I guess one from 
math mode);
in my opinion we shouldn't make some kerning default, but using the 
right glyphs!

Please, Hans!

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Re: lowerleftdoubleninequote

[Patrick Gundlach]

Henning Hraban Ramm <hraban@fiee.net> writes:

Hello,

>> \definecharacter quotedblbase     {,\kern -.1em,}
>>
>> Hans: is there any way to make this default when using cmr?
>
> Worse: With some fonts two different commas are used (I guess one from
> math mode);
> in my opinion we shouldn't make some kerning default, but using the
> right glyphs!

If you use ec/texbase1/texnansi encoding, the quotedblbase will be
set to the correct character.

Which encoding are you using?

Patrick

Re: Re: lowerleftdoubleninequote

[Hans Hagen]

At 10:27 PM 2/10/2003 +0100, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>>>'lowerleftdoubleninequote' in german seems to be an double
>>>lowerleftninequote,
>>>whereas 'upperrightdoublesixquote' seems to be the ligature.
>>actually 'lowerleftdoubleninequote' are two "," without any
>>kerning. You can add the kerning by:
>>\definecharacter quotedblbase     {,\kern -.1em,}
>>
>>Hans: is there any way to make this default when using cmr?
>
>Worse: With some fonts two different commas are used (I guess one from 
>math mode);
>in my opinion we shouldn't make some kerning default, but using the right 
>glyphs!

this is encoding dependent, the default is only a fall back; so, the 
solution is to have proper entries in the encoding vector; but, not all 
vectors have all glyphs

Hans
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Re: Re: lowerleftdoubleninequote

[Hans Hagen]

At 10:27 PM 2/10/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>>>'lowerleftdoubleninequote' in german seems to be an double
>>>lowerleftninequote,
>>>whereas 'upperrightdoublesixquote' seems to be the ligature.
>>actually 'lowerleftdoubleninequote' are two "," without any
>>kerning. You can add the kerning by:
>>\definecharacter quotedblbase     {,\kern -.1em,}
>>
>>Hans: is there any way to make this default when using cmr?
>
>Worse: With some fonts two different commas are used (I guess one from 
>math mode);
>in my opinion we shouldn't make some kerning default, but using the right 
>glyphs!
>
>Please, Hans!

another solution is to make a specific font handler (like the hanging one) 
for a class of fonts like cmr, in that case you can link such a handler to 
for instance a cmr10 font (see hand-*)

Hans
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Re: lowerleftdoubleninequote

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

Hello Hans,

> another solution is to make a specific font handler (like the hanging
> one) for a class of fonts like cmr, in that case you can link such a
> handler to for instance a cmr10 font (see hand-*)

I have tried that, but with strange results:


\startfonthandling[cmrfix]
 \definecharacter quotedblbase     {,\kern -.1em,}
\stopfonthandling

%\setupfontsynonym[Serif][handling=cmrfix]

\setupbodyfont[14pt]
\starttext
\mainlanguage[de]
\startquotation
To \TEX\ or not to \TEX. 
\stopquotation
\stoptext


The definition of quotedblbase in line two is used without even
activating the cmrfix font-handler. How do I use the handler properly?

Patrick

Re: Re: lowerleftdoubleninequote

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

>> Worse: With some fonts two different commas are used (I guess one 
>> from math mode);
>> in my opinion we shouldn't make some kerning default, but using the 
>> right glyphs!
>
> this is encoding dependent, the default is only a fall back; so, the 
> solution is to have proper entries in the encoding vector; but, not 
> all vectors have all glyphs

Would I have to fix the AFM or the PFB or both?

Grüßlis vom Hraban!
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www.fiee.net/texnique/
www.ramm.ch/context/

Re: Re: lowerleftdoubleninequote

[Hans Hagen]

At 08:09 PM 2/11/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>>>Worse: With some fonts two different commas are used (I guess one from 
>>>math mode);
>>>in my opinion we shouldn't make some kerning default, but using the 
>>>right glyphs!
>>
>>this is encoding dependent, the default is only a fall back; so, the 
>>solution is to have proper entries in the encoding vector; but, not all 
>>vectors have all glyphs
>
>Would I have to fix the AFM or the PFB or both?

(1) choose an encoding vector that has them
(2) make your own encoding vector, say xxx.enc, make an associated 
enco-xxx.tex, run afmtotfm with this vector and voila

Hans
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Re: lowerleftdoubleninequote

[Patrick Gundlach]

Patrick Gundlach <pg@levana.de> writes:

Hello Hans,

>> another solution is to make a specific font handler (like the hanging
>> one) for a class of fonts like cmr, in that case you can link such a
>> handler to for instance a cmr10 font (see hand-*)
>
> I have tried that, but with strange results:
>
>
> \startfonthandling[cmrfix]
>  \definecharacter quotedblbase     {,\kern -.1em,}
> \stopfonthandling
>
> %\setupfontsynonym[Serif][handling=cmrfix]
>
> \setupbodyfont[14pt]
> \starttext
> \mainlanguage[de]
> \startquotation
> To \TEX\ or not to \TEX. 
> \stopquotation
> \stoptext
>
>
> The definition of quotedblbase in line two is used without even
> activating the cmrfix font-handler. How do I use the handler properly?


I still wonder how to use this handler? Even putting it in a sepatate
file and use it with \usehandling[cmr] activates it without
explicitly saying so.

Patrick