[NTG-context] list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[NTG-context] list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Hi all, esp. module authors!

I went through the list of modules on https://modules.contextgarden.net/ 
(dl/) and the list that controls module installation for “--script 
install-modules".

I removed all font-related modules from the list (not yet from the 
garden), since they’re probably all obsolete & outdated.
Consider publishing typescripts in the wiki.


The following modules don’t adhere to the necessary structure and need 
changes:
* t-handlecsv (2023, Pablo)
* metaducks (2021, Jairo)
* presvoz (2023, Pablo)
All of them have a name directory on top of the TDS (tex, doc).
If you used a git checkout URL, please try again, for me it worked today.


Several modules need testing if they still work and make sense.
If their authors are present, I’d appreciate a comment if we should keep 
them. I’d like to delete at least everything older than 10 years.

* grph-downsample.lua (2019) is known to fail in current LMTX
   (I hope for an integrated solution during the meeting.)
   t-degrade (2018) is AFAIK an older version of it – delete?

* high (2018) and pret-c (2018) are syntax highlighters.
   Are they better than the vim and scite modules?
   Does it make sense to keep/update them?

* karnaugh (2021, VicSanRoPe; probably OK, I just don’t understand it)
* t-account (2009, Wolfgang)
* t-algorithmic (2013, Wolfgang)
* t-animation (2013, Wolfgang)
* t-annotation (2013, Wolfgang)
* t-bnf (2006, Now)
* t-chromato (2008, Peter)
* t-construction-plan (2008, Peter)
* t-crossref (2016, Zenlima)
* t-cyrillicnumbers (2016, Philipp)
* t-fancybreak (2015, Wolfgang)
* t-french (2011, Peter)
* t-fullpage (2017, Wolfgang)
* t-gantt (2012, Adam)
* t-gm (2015, Luigi)
* t-gnuplot (2013, Mojca)
* t-greek (2013, Thomas – is this more than fonts?)
* t-gs (2015, Luigi)
* t-inifile (2008, Peter)
* t-layout (2007, Patrick)
* t-letterspace (2016, Philipp)
* t-mathsets (2011, Aditya)
* t-rst (2016, Philipp)
* t-rsteps (2006, David)
* t-simplebib (2016, Zenlima)
* t-taspresent (2008, Thomas – AFAIK an old version of simpleslides)
* t-title (2017, Wolfgang)
* t-transliterator (2021, Philipp)
* t-typearea (2008, Peter)
* t-visualcounter (2018, Aditya, isn’t there a newer version?)

Modules not mentioned are probably fine.

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[Peter Münster]

On Wed, Aug 30 2023, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> If their authors are present, I’d appreciate a comment if we should keep them.

Hi Hraban,

I don't know. My modules are probably all outdated and don't work with
the latest ConTeXt version. On the one hand they are probably no more
useful, on the other hand there could be perhaps some future users
and/or developers, who would like to use them and send patches.
Perhaps a flag like "unmaintained" would do the trick?
But it's no problem for me, if you prefer to delete them.

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[NTG-context] Re: list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 30.08.23 um 21:58 schrieb Peter Münster:
> On Wed, Aug 30 2023, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> 
>> If their authors are present, I’d appreciate a comment if we should keep them.
> 
> I don't know. My modules are probably all outdated and don't work with
> the latest ConTeXt version. On the one hand they are probably no more
> useful, on the other hand there could be perhaps some future users
> and/or developers, who would like to use them and send patches.
> Perhaps a flag like "unmaintained" would do the trick?
> But it's no problem for me, if you prefer to delete them.

Thank you!

First step is to don’t install outdated modules any more with "mtxrun 
--script install-modules --all".

They don’t hurt anyone at modules.contextgarden.net, I might just add a 
comment – you’re welcome to do it yourself, if you still know your password.

We will discuss at the meeting how to proceed, if we add more flags or 
whatever. I think we have enough fields & flags and should just use them 
better.

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[Marcus Vinicius Mesquita]

Dear Hraban

I'm a regular user of  t-transliterator (2021, Philipp), so please
don't delete it

Marcus Vinicius

On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 3:16 PM Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all, esp. module authors!
>
> I went through the list of modules on https://modules.contextgarden.net/
> (dl/) and the list that controls module installation for “--script
> install-modules".
>
> I removed all font-related modules from the list (not yet from the
> garden), since they’re probably all obsolete & outdated.
> Consider publishing typescripts in the wiki.
>
>
> The following modules don’t adhere to the necessary structure and need
> changes:
> * t-handlecsv (2023, Pablo)
> * metaducks (2021, Jairo)
> * presvoz (2023, Pablo)
> All of them have a name directory on top of the TDS (tex, doc).
> If you used a git checkout URL, please try again, for me it worked today.
>
>
> Several modules need testing if they still work and make sense.
> If their authors are present, I’d appreciate a comment if we should keep
> them. I’d like to delete at least everything older than 10 years.
>
> * grph-downsample.lua (2019) is known to fail in current LMTX
>    (I hope for an integrated solution during the meeting.)
>    t-degrade (2018) is AFAIK an older version of it – delete?
>
> * high (2018) and pret-c (2018) are syntax highlighters.
>    Are they better than the vim and scite modules?
>    Does it make sense to keep/update them?
>
> * karnaugh (2021, VicSanRoPe; probably OK, I just don’t understand it)
> * t-account (2009, Wolfgang)
> * t-algorithmic (2013, Wolfgang)
> * t-animation (2013, Wolfgang)
> * t-annotation (2013, Wolfgang)
> * t-bnf (2006, Now)
> * t-chromato (2008, Peter)
> * t-construction-plan (2008, Peter)
> * t-crossref (2016, Zenlima)
> * t-cyrillicnumbers (2016, Philipp)
> * t-fancybreak (2015, Wolfgang)
> * t-french (2011, Peter)
> * t-fullpage (2017, Wolfgang)
> * t-gantt (2012, Adam)
> * t-gm (2015, Luigi)
> * t-gnuplot (2013, Mojca)
> * t-greek (2013, Thomas – is this more than fonts?)
> * t-gs (2015, Luigi)
> * t-inifile (2008, Peter)
> * t-layout (2007, Patrick)
> * t-letterspace (2016, Philipp)
> * t-mathsets (2011, Aditya)
> * t-rst (2016, Philipp)
> * t-rsteps (2006, David)
> * t-simplebib (2016, Zenlima)
> * t-taspresent (2008, Thomas – AFAIK an old version of simpleslides)
> * t-title (2017, Wolfgang)
> * t-transliterator (2021, Philipp)
> * t-typearea (2008, Peter)
> * t-visualcounter (2018, Aditya, isn’t there a newer version?)
>
> Modules not mentioned are probably fine.
>
> Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 30.08.23 um 22:14 schrieb Marcus Vinicius Mesquita:
> I'm a regular user of  t-transliterator (2021, Philipp), so please
> don't delete it

If it works, I would never. Thanks for reporting.

Hraban

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[NTG-context] Re: list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 30.08.2023 um 20:15:
> Hi all, esp. module authors!
>
> I went through the list of modules on 
> https://modules.contextgarden.net/ (dl/) and the list that controls 
> module installation for “--script install-modules".
>
> I removed all font-related modules from the list (not yet from the 
> garden), since they’re probably all obsolete & outdated.
> Consider publishing typescripts in the wiki.
>
>
> The following modules don’t adhere to the necessary structure and need 
> changes:
> * t-handlecsv (2023, Pablo)
> * metaducks (2021, Jairo)
> * presvoz (2023, Pablo)
> All of them have a name directory on top of the TDS (tex, doc).
> If you used a git checkout URL, please try again, for me it worked today.
>
>
> Several modules need testing if they still work and make sense.
> If their authors are present, I’d appreciate a comment if we should 
> keep them. I’d like to delete at least everything older than 10 years.
> [...]
> * t-account (2009, Wolfgang)

I have an updated version I can put online but there is no need to keep it.

> * t-algorithmic (2013, Wolfgang)

Can be removed.

> * t-animation (2013, Wolfgang)

Should stay on the wiki.

> * t-annotation (2013, Wolfgang)

Can be removed, the userdata environment is a good alternative for the 
module.

> * t-fancybreak (2015, Wolfgang)

Should stay  on the wiki.

> * t-fullpage (2017, Wolfgang)

Can be removed, the "tight" layout is a good alternative.

> * t-title (2017, Wolfgang)

Can be removed.

Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] Re: list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 30.08.23 um 22:22 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

>> * t-account (2009, Wolfgang)
> I have an updated version I can put online but there is no need to keep it.

If you think it’s usable, just update it.

>> * t-algorithmic (2013, Wolfgang)
> Can be removed.

>> * t-animation (2013, Wolfgang)
> Should stay on the wiki.

>> * t-annotation (2013, Wolfgang)
> Can be removed, the userdata environment is a good alternative for the 
> module.

>> * t-fancybreak (2015, Wolfgang)
> Should stay  on the wiki.

>> * t-fullpage (2017, Wolfgang)
> Can be removed, the "tight" layout is a good alternative.

>> * t-title (2017, Wolfgang)
> Can be removed.

Thank you!

Same as I just wrote to Peter: I’ll just remove the modules from the 
install list for the time being.

CU at the meeting,
Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[luigi scarso]

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On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 at 20:18, Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:

> Hi all, esp. module authors!
>
> I went through the list of modules on https://modules.contextgarden.net/
> (dl/) and the list that controls module installation for “--script
> install-modules".
>
> I removed all font-related modules from the list (not yet from the
> garden), since they’re probably all obsolete & outdated.
> Consider publishing typescripts in the wiki.
>
>
> The following modules don’t adhere to the necessary structure and need
> changes:
> * t-handlecsv (2023, Pablo)
> * metaducks (2021, Jairo)
> * presvoz (2023, Pablo)
> All of them have a name directory on top of the TDS (tex, doc).
> If you used a git checkout URL, please try again, for me it worked today.
>
>
> Several modules need testing if they still work and make sense.
> If their authors are present, I’d appreciate a comment if we should keep
> them. I’d like to delete at least everything older than 10 years.
>
> * grph-downsample.lua (2019) is known to fail in current LMTX
>    (I hope for an integrated solution during the meeting.)
>    t-degrade (2018) is AFAIK an older version of it – delete?
>
> * high (2018) and pret-c (2018) are syntax highlighters.
>    Are they better than the vim and scite modules?
>    Does it make sense to keep/update them?
>
> * t-gm (2015, Luigi)
> * t-gs (2015, Luigi)
>

gm should be included in lmtx / mkiv by means of luaffi.
I cannot maintain them, you can drop them  or wait for the expiration date
of 2025.

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[NTG-context] Re: list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 8/30/23 20:15, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Hi all, esp. module authors!
> [...]
> The following modules don’t adhere to the necessary structure and need
> changes:
> * t-handlecsv (2023, Pablo)> * presvoz (2023, Pablo)
> All of them have a name directory on top of the TDS (tex, doc).
> If you used a git checkout URL, please try again, for me it worked today.

Many thanks for your work reviewing the modules, Hraban.

I was forced to avoid a git URL, since it provided .tar.gz compression
(instead of .zip compression, required by the new installer).

I have just updated both modules and they are TDS compilant again (or so
I guess).

But the issue I reported is still there
(https://mailman.ntg.nl/archives/list/ntg-context@ntg.nl/thread/C6RDJ5EYGOUQPOJGKOPRGDVPZOKDBIYE/#C6RDJ5EYGOUQPOJGKOPRGDVPZOKDBIYE):
download URL is .tar.gz.

Since Hans doesn‘t want to start mixing compression formats, would it be
possible that the git checkout selects .zip instead of .tar.gz?

Sorry, but the git URL seems to be the only way to get directories that
comply with TDS.

This would be the only way to get the modules script work with those
modes (or .tar.gz is also accepted as compression format for the modules
script).

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 31.08.23 um 17:19 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez:

> Many thanks for your work reviewing the modules, Hraban.

You’re welcome. I’m partly just scratching my own itches. ;)

> I was forced to avoid a git URL, since it provided .tar.gz compression
> (instead of .zip compression, required by the new installer).

Oops, yes, I forgot about the archive format mismatch.

To avoid adding a dependency on tar to the distribution, we (i.e. Taco 
and maybe me) must handle archive conversion on the server or in git 
checkout. (In the latter it’s just a parameter, but I can’t access the 
code ATM.)

> I have just updated both modules and they are TDS compilant again (or so
> I guess).

Ehm, no. Have a look into
https://modules.contextgarden.net/dl/presvoz/ and
https://modules.contextgarden.net/dl/t-handlecsv/

While they should look like e.g.
https://modules.contextgarden.net/dl/president/
That’s also just a git checkout (still as .tar.gz).

All top-level files get deleted by the installer ATM; I’ll suggest to 
Hans to move them into docs/... instead.

> But the issue I reported is still there
> (https://mailman.ntg.nl/archives/list/ntg-context@ntg.nl/thread/C6RDJ5EYGOUQPOJGKOPRGDVPZOKDBIYE/#C6RDJ5EYGOUQPOJGKOPRGDVPZOKDBIYE):
> download URL is .tar.gz.

Yes, we’ll fix that.

> Since Hans doesn‘t want to start mixing compression formats, would it be
> possible that the git checkout selects .zip instead of .tar.gz?

yes

> Sorry, but the git URL seems to be the only way to get directories that
> comply with TDS.
> 
> This would be the only way to get the modules script work with those
> modes (or .tar.gz is also accepted as compression format for the modules
> script).

no, see above

Hraban

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[NTG-context] Re: list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 8/31/23 18:26, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 31.08.23 um 17:19 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez:
> [...]
>> I was forced to avoid a git URL, since it provided .tar.gz compression
>> (instead of .zip compression, required by the new installer).
>
> Oops, yes, I forgot about the archive format mismatch.
>
> To avoid adding a dependency on tar to the distribution, we (i.e. Taco
> and maybe me) must handle archive conversion on the server or in git
> checkout. (In the latter it’s just a parameter, but I can’t access the
> code ATM.)

These are great news, Hraban.

Many thanks for fixing this (in a not so distant future 😅).

>> I have just updated both modules and they are TDS compilant again (or so
>> I guess).
>
> Ehm, no. Have a look into
> https://modules.contextgarden.net/dl/presvoz/ and
> https://modules.contextgarden.net/dl/t-handlecsv/
>
> While they should look like e.g.
> https://modules.contextgarden.net/dl/president/
> That’s also just a git checkout (still as .tar.gz).

This might be the result from the mess generated after three updates today.

Compare files lists from:

https://modules.contextgarden.net/cgi-bin/module.cgi/action=view/id=86
https://modules.contextgarden.net/cgi-bin/module.cgi/action=view/id=128
https://modules.contextgarden.net/cgi-bin/module.cgi/action=view/id=143

These seem to have no extra directory (from those URL I guessed they
were right).

Many thanks for your help again,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 8/31/23 18:26, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> [...]
>> I have just updated both modules and they are TDS compilant again (or so
>> I guess).
>
> Ehm, no. Have a look into
> https://modules.contextgarden.net/dl/presvoz/ and
> https://modules.contextgarden.net/dl/t-handlecsv/

This seems to be fixed now, Hraban.

BTW, it is really hard in the updating process not giving any hint about
the name of the module being updated.

I wonder whether this could be improved somehow.

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 01.09.23 um 17:27 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez:
> On 8/31/23 18:26, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>> [...]
>>> I have just updated both modules and they are TDS compilant again (or so
>>> I guess).
>>
>> Ehm, no. Have a look into
>> https://modules.contextgarden.net/dl/presvoz/ and
>> https://modules.contextgarden.net/dl/t-handlecsv/
> 
> This seems to be fixed now, Hraban.

Yes, looks good.

> BTW, it is really hard in the updating process not giving any hint about
> the name of the module being updated.
> 
> I wonder whether this could be improved somehow.

There’s a lot I’d like to improve in our handling of modules…
I’ll make a list, a few things might be worth discussing (see
https://meeting.contextgarden.net/2023/programme.shtml Monday 18:30).

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 at 20:17, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>
> * t-gnuplot (2013, Mojca)

It would certainly not hurt to somewhat modernise the code, switch to
t-filter etc., but last time I checked it still worked even with lmtx.

I have no idea whether there are users depending on it.
Gnuplot itself is pretty much stuck in the nineties, so the module is
not really expected to change a lot either (except to follow newer
code style of ConTeXt).

For my PhD thesis gnuplot was lacking enough features that I switched
to matplotlib, but for simple graphs it would still be handy.

I would definitely keep it in TeX Live. As far as LMTX installer is
concerned ... no clue.

Mojca
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[NTG-context] Re: list of modules: need changes/testing/response

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 31.08.23 um 18:00 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
> On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 at 20:17, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>>
>> * t-gnuplot (2013, Mojca)
> 
> It would certainly not hurt to somewhat modernise the code, switch to
> t-filter etc., but last time I checked it still worked even with lmtx.
…
> I would definitely keep it in TeX Live. As far as LMTX installer is
> concerned ... no clue.

Ok, thank you!

Hraban

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