* quotes potruding out in the left margin @ 2021-06-04 6:44 Sandra Snan 2021-06-04 7:16 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Sandra Snan @ 2021-06-04 6:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context Hi♥ How do I get the quotes to potrude out in the left margin? For example in the following text, I want the "y" in "you are so" to be aligned with the "oh" in "oh hi there" and the "here" in "here here". \definefontfeature [default] [default] [protrusion=quality,expansion=quality] \setupalign[hz,hanging] \starttext oh hi there "you are so" here here \stoptext Also in the real text I'll also be using \definefontfamily [praise][serif][junicode] but, the above min via behavior I couldn't get to work at live.contextgarden ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: quotes potruding out in the left margin 2021-06-04 6:44 quotes potruding out in the left margin Sandra Snan @ 2021-06-04 7:16 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2021-06-04 7:52 ` Sandra Snan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2021-06-04 7:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Sandra Snan schrieb am 04.06.2021 um 08:44: > Hi♥ > > How do I get the quotes to potrude out in the left margin? > > For example in the following text, I want the "y" in "you are so" to be > aligned with the "oh" in "oh hi there" and the "here" in "here here". > > \definefontfeature > [default] > [default] > [protrusion=quality,expansion=quality] > > \setupalign[hz,hanging] > > \starttext > oh hi there > > "you are so" > > here here > \stoptext > > Also in the real text I'll also be using > \definefontfamily [praise][serif][junicode] > but, the above min via behavior I couldn't get to work at live.contextgarden You need proper quotation mark (as shown in my example below) sand not ". Another option is to use the \quotation command and enable the protrusion option for (see \setupquotation). When you have a text with a lot of quotation marks but your system has no easy way to input them you can check if your text editor has smart quotes feature which replaces " with the proper quotes. \definefontfeature [default] [default] [protrusion=quality,expansion=quality] \setupquotation [method=font] \setupalign[hz,hanging] \starttext oh hi there “you are so” \quotation{you are so} here here \stoptext Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: quotes potruding out in the left margin 2021-06-04 7:16 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2021-06-04 7:52 ` Sandra Snan 2021-06-04 8:08 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Sandra Snan @ 2021-06-04 7:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Wolfgang Schuster, mailing list for ConTeXt users Oh, the example you just posted doesn't work on live.contextgarden, let alone on my installation. The quotation marks still don't potrude. Wolfgang Schuster <wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com> writes: > Sandra Snan schrieb am 04.06.2021 um 08:44: >> Hi♥ >> >> How do I get the quotes to potrude out in the left margin? >> >> For example in the following text, I want the "y" in "you are so" to be >> aligned with the "oh" in "oh hi there" and the "here" in "here here". >> >> \definefontfeature >> [default] >> [default] >> [protrusion=quality,expansion=quality] >> >> \setupalign[hz,hanging] >> >> \starttext >> oh hi there >> >> "you are so" >> >> here here >> \stoptext >> >> Also in the real text I'll also be using >> \definefontfamily [praise][serif][junicode] >> but, the above min via behavior I couldn't get to work at live.contextgarden > > You need proper quotation mark (as shown in my example below) sand not > ". Another option is to use the \quotation command and enable the > protrusion option for (see \setupquotation). > > When you have a text with a lot of quotation marks but your system has > no easy way to input them you can check if your text editor has smart > quotes feature which replaces " with the proper quotes. > > \definefontfeature > [default] > [default] > [protrusion=quality,expansion=quality] > > \setupquotation > [method=font] > > \setupalign[hz,hanging] > > \starttext > > oh hi there > > “you are so” > > \quotation{you are so} > > here here > > \stoptext > > Wolfgang > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: quotes potruding out in the left margin 2021-06-04 7:52 ` Sandra Snan @ 2021-06-04 8:08 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2021-06-04 9:20 ` denis.maier 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2021-06-04 8:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 432 bytes --] Sandra Snan schrieb am 04.06.2021 um 09:52: > Oh, the example you just posted doesn't work on live.contextgarden, let > alone on my installation. The quotation marks still don't potrude. I tested my example on the garden and got the expected output with the quotation marks in the margin (only partially but this is normal with the quality setting). I attached the example to ensure nothing was added when I send it. Wolfgang [-- Attachment #2: test.tex --] [-- Type: text/plain, Size: 295 bytes --] \definefontfeature [default] [default] [protrusion=quality, expansion=quality] \setupquotation [method=font] \setupalign [hz,hanging] \showframe [text] [text] \starttext oh hi there “you are so” \quotation{you are so} here here \stoptext [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: quotes potruding out in the left margin 2021-06-04 8:08 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2021-06-04 9:20 ` denis.maier 2021-06-04 12:23 ` Hans Hagen 2021-06-05 5:36 ` Sandra Snan 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: denis.maier @ 2021-06-04 9:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Wolfgang > Schuster > Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Juni 2021 10:08 > An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl> > Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] quotes potruding out in the left margin > > Sandra Snan schrieb am 04.06.2021 um 09:52: > > Oh, the example you just posted doesn't work on live.contextgarden, > > let alone on my installation. The quotation marks still don't potrude. > > I tested my example on the garden and got the expected output with the > quotation marks in the margin (only partially but this is normal with the > quality setting). > I can confirm that this works. As Wolfgang notes protrusion is only partial with the default settings, but you can tweak it with \setupfontprotrusion (see below). \setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] is probably what you want since this puts the complete quotation mark into the margin. I don't know what the numbers mean. Maybe someone can add to this. Denis ======================== %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=0] % no protrusion on the left margin \setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1] % default %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1.5] % more protrustion %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] % even more protrustion %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2.5] % too much protrusion \definefontfeature [default] [default] [protrusion=quality, expansion=quality] \setupquotation [method=font] \setupalign [hz,hanging] \showframe [text] [text] \starttext oh hi there “you are so” \quotation{you are so} here here \stoptext ======================== ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: quotes potruding out in the left margin 2021-06-04 9:20 ` denis.maier @ 2021-06-04 12:23 ` Hans Hagen 2021-06-05 5:36 ` Sandra Snan 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2021-06-04 12:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, denis.maier On 6/4/2021 11:20 AM, denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch wrote: >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Wolfgang >> Schuster >> Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Juni 2021 10:08 >> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl> >> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] quotes potruding out in the left margin >> >> Sandra Snan schrieb am 04.06.2021 um 09:52: >>> Oh, the example you just posted doesn't work on live.contextgarden, >>> let alone on my installation. The quotation marks still don't potrude. >> >> I tested my example on the garden and got the expected output with the >> quotation marks in the margin (only partially but this is normal with the >> quality setting). >> > > I can confirm that this works. As Wolfgang notes protrusion is only partial with the default settings, but you can tweak it with \setupfontprotrusion (see below). > \setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] is probably what you want since this puts the complete quotation mark into the margin. > > I don't know what the numbers mean. Maybe someone can add to this. multiplication factors btw, in lmtx you can locally disable protrusion with: {\noprotrusion \quotation{you are so}} > Denis > > ======================== > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=0] % no protrusion on the left margin > \setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1] % default > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1.5] % more protrustion > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] % even more protrustion > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2.5] % too much protrusion > > \definefontfeature > [default] > [default] > [protrusion=quality, > expansion=quality] > > \setupquotation > [method=font] > > \setupalign > [hz,hanging] > > \showframe > [text] > [text] > > \starttext > > oh hi there > > “you are so” > > \quotation{you are so} > > here here > > \stoptext > ======================== > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: quotes potruding out in the left margin 2021-06-04 9:20 ` denis.maier 2021-06-04 12:23 ` Hans Hagen @ 2021-06-05 5:36 ` Sandra Snan 2021-06-05 17:03 ` Michael Guravage 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Sandra Snan @ 2021-06-05 5:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: denis.maier, ntg-context Thank you both for your help. Additionally, I needed to make sure that \setupbodyfont comes after all this. But now I've finally got the margin-potruding quotations of my dreams. <denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch> writes: >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Wolfgang >> Schuster >> Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Juni 2021 10:08 >> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl> >> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] quotes potruding out in the left margin >> >> Sandra Snan schrieb am 04.06.2021 um 09:52: >> > Oh, the example you just posted doesn't work on live.contextgarden, >> > let alone on my installation. The quotation marks still don't potrude. >> >> I tested my example on the garden and got the expected output with the >> quotation marks in the margin (only partially but this is normal with the >> quality setting). >> > > I can confirm that this works. As Wolfgang notes protrusion is only partial with the default settings, but you can tweak it with \setupfontprotrusion (see below). > \setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] is probably what you want since this puts the complete quotation mark into the margin. > > I don't know what the numbers mean. Maybe someone can add to this. > > Denis > > ======================== > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=0] % no protrusion on the left margin > \setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1] % default > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1.5] % more protrustion > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] % even more protrustion > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2.5] % too much protrusion > > \definefontfeature > [default] > [default] > [protrusion=quality, > expansion=quality] > > \setupquotation > [method=font] > > \setupalign > [hz,hanging] > > \showframe > [text] > [text] > > \starttext > > oh hi there > > “you are so” > > \quotation{you are so} > > here here > > \stoptext > ======================== > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: quotes potruding out in the left margin 2021-06-05 5:36 ` Sandra Snan @ 2021-06-05 17:03 ` Michael Guravage 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Michael Guravage @ 2021-06-05 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3966 bytes --] If you were to add a start-stopquotation block to Wolfgang's example, you'd see that the resulting paragraph has lost its narrowness. Is there a way to allow quotes to protrude into the left margin while preserving the narrowness of start-stopquotation blocks? My own solution is not to \setupquotation[method=font] but to define a delimited text environment whose method=font, and use it when a paragraph begins with a quotation. I have attached my own mwe. You can toggle the \setquotation command with --mode=font. Does anyone have a more elegant, or better yet, a correct solution? With kind regards, Michael On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 7:36 AM Sandra Snan <sandra.snan@idiomdrottning.org> wrote: > Thank you both for your help. Additionally, I needed to make sure that > \setupbodyfont comes after all this. But now I've finally got the > margin-potruding quotations of my dreams. > > <denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch> writes: > > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > >> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Wolfgang > >> Schuster > >> Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Juni 2021 10:08 > >> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl> > >> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] quotes potruding out in the left margin > >> > >> Sandra Snan schrieb am 04.06.2021 um 09:52: > >> > Oh, the example you just posted doesn't work on live.contextgarden, > >> > let alone on my installation. The quotation marks still don't potrude. > >> > >> I tested my example on the garden and got the expected output with the > >> quotation marks in the margin (only partially but this is normal with > the > >> quality setting). > >> > > > > I can confirm that this works. As Wolfgang notes protrusion is only > partial with the default settings, but you can tweak it with > \setupfontprotrusion (see below). > > \setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] is probably what you want since > this puts the complete quotation mark into the margin. > > > > I don't know what the numbers mean. Maybe someone can add to this. > > > > Denis > > > > ======================== > > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=0] % no protrusion on the left > margin > > \setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1] % default > > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1.5] % more protrustion > > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] % even more protrustion > > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2.5] % too much protrusion > > > > \definefontfeature > > [default] > > [default] > > [protrusion=quality, > > expansion=quality] > > > > \setupquotation > > [method=font] > > > > \setupalign > > [hz,hanging] > > > > \showframe > > [text] > > [text] > > > > \starttext > > > > oh hi there > > > > “you are so” > > > > \quotation{you are so} > > > > here here > > > > \stoptext > > ======================== > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry > to the Wiki! > > > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 6190 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: mwe.tex --] [-- Type: text/x-tex, Size: 815 bytes --] \showgrid \showframe[text][text] \setupwhitespace[medium] \setuplayout[grid=yes] \definefontfeature [default] [default] [protrusion=quality, expansion=quality] \setupalign[hz,hanging] % Definition inherits, followed by setting up \definedelimitedtext[parquote][quotation] \setupdelimitedtext[parquote][method=font] \def\parquotation#1{\startparquote{#1}\stopparquote} % Provide protrusion for quotations. \startmode[font] \setupquotation[method=font] % Toggle this line to see the effect. \stopmode \starttext \quotation{Love makes the world go round,}as an old proverb has it\ldots “Love makes the world go round,” as an old proverb has it\ldots \parquotation{Love makes the world go round,} as an old proverb has it\ldots \startquotation \input tufte \stopquotation \stoptext [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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