writebetweenlist regression (mkiv)

writebetweenlist regression (mkiv)

[Marco]

Hello there. 

Currently \writebetweenlist doesn't work as advised. It inserts the
argument before the last entry of the list. The minimal example is
provided by the reference itself. 

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/writebetweenlist

The rule is correctly inserted at http://live.contextgarden.net/ and in
the ConTeXt shipped with TeXlive 2010 (2010.05.24), but not with the
current beta and the 2010.07.30 version. mkii works fine.

It prints 

--rule--
List entry A
List entry B

Best regards

-- 
Marco


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Re: writebetweenlist regression (mkiv)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 08.11.2010 um 23:03 schrieb Marco:

> 
> Hello there. 
> 
> Currently \writebetweenlist doesn't work as advised. It inserts the
> argument before the last entry of the list. The minimal example is
> provided by the reference itself. 
> 
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/writebetweenlist
> 
> The rule is correctly inserted at http://live.contextgarden.net/ and in
> the ConTeXt shipped with TeXlive 2010 (2010.05.24), but not with the
> current beta and the 2010.07.30 version. mkii works fine.
> 
> It prints 
> 
> --rule--
> List entry A
> List entry B



Unfortunately, I can confirm this with current version: 

ver: 2010.12.12 17:06 MKIV


Help please!

Steffen
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Re: writebetweenlist regression (mkiv)

[Hans Hagen]

On 13-12-2010 11:20, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
> Am 08.11.2010 um 23:03 schrieb Marco:
>
>>
>> Hello there.
>>
>> Currently \writebetweenlist doesn't work as advised. It inserts the
>> argument before the last entry of the list. The minimal example is
>> provided by the reference itself.
>>
>> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/writebetweenlist
>>
>> The rule is correctly inserted at http://live.contextgarden.net/ and in
>> the ConTeXt shipped with TeXlive 2010 (2010.05.24), but not with the
>> current beta and the 2010.07.30 version. mkii works fine.
>>
>> It prints
>>
>> --rule--
>> List entry A
>> List entry B
>
> Unfortunately, I can confirm this with current version:
>
> ver: 2010.12.12 17:06 MKIV
>
> Help please!

There is a good reason for this. Inbetween has multiple usage and these 
are conflicting:

- in order to get the right page info associated it needs to be anchored 
in the text stream
- in that case a node can interfere with spacing and can come unexpected
- sometimes direct flushing is needed, sometimes delayed

btw, all these issues have been observed by users every now and then

Now, if unexpected interference is the hardest to track down, inbetween 
is an immediate action. In principle one can influence that but it's not 
that intuitive. So, I've now added an option to (1) the flushers and (2) 
the list placers.

The following example shows this:

\definelist[testlist][criterium=all]

\starttext

     Regular list entries are bound to a specific location in order to
     get the right pagenumber etc.\ associated. When pushing something
     inbetween (in mkiv) it ends up directtly in the list. This is the
     default because otherwise users will wonder why spacing might get
     messed up (due to an unseen but present node). It is possible to
     force a location by explicitly setting \type {location} to \type
     {here}.

     Another way to force a certain order is to set the \type {order}
     variable when placing a list. The \type {command} option only
     pushes commands into the right order, and \type {all} orders all
     entries (which might be too much). In this case no specific
     location is needed with the inbetween method. Maybe additional
     mechanisms show up some day.

     \subject{normal}  \placelist[testlist]
     \subject{command} \placelist[testlist][order=command]
     \subject{all}     \placelist[testlist][order=all]

     \page \input tufte

     \writetolist     [testlist]               {1} {One}
     \writebetweenlist[testlist] 
{\blackrule[color=red,width=\hsize]}
 
\writebetweenlist[testlist][location=here]{\blackrule[color=blue,width=\hsize]}
     \writetolist     [testlist]               {2} {Second}
     \writetolist     [testlist][location=none]{W} {Whatever}
     \writebetweenlist[testlist] 
{\blackrule[color=green,width=\hsize]}

\stoptext

I admit that it's not an easy mechanism but any default would at some 
point trigger complaints. So it probably needs to be wikified.

Hans

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Re: writebetweenlist regression (mkiv)

[Marco Pessotto]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

> On 13-12-2010 11:20, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>
>> Am 08.11.2010 um 23:03 schrieb Marco:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello there.
>>>
>>> Currently \writebetweenlist doesn't work as advised. It inserts the
>>> argument before the last entry of the list. The minimal example is
>>> provided by the reference itself.
>>>
>>> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/writebetweenlist
>>>
>>> The rule is correctly inserted at http://live.contextgarden.net/ and in
>>> the ConTeXt shipped with TeXlive 2010 (2010.05.24), but not with the
>>> current beta and the 2010.07.30 version. mkii works fine.
>>>
>>> It prints
>>>
>>> --rule--
>>> List entry A
>>> List entry B
>>
>> Unfortunately, I can confirm this with current version:
>>
>> ver: 2010.12.12 17:06 MKIV
>>
>> Help please!
>
> There is a good reason for this. Inbetween has multiple usage and
> these are conflicting:
>
> - in order to get the right page info associated it needs to be
> anchored in the text stream
> - in that case a node can interfere with spacing and can come unexpected
> - sometimes direct flushing is needed, sometimes delayed
>
> btw, all these issues have been observed by users every now and then
>
> Now, if unexpected interference is the hardest to track down,
> inbetween is an immediate action. In principle one can influence that
> but it's not that intuitive. So, I've now added an option to (1) the
> flushers and (2) the list placers.
>
> The following example shows this:
>
> \definelist[testlist][criterium=all]
>
> \starttext
>
>     Regular list entries are bound to a specific location in order to
>     get the right pagenumber etc.\ associated. When pushing something
>     inbetween (in mkiv) it ends up directtly in the list. This is the
>     default because otherwise users will wonder why spacing might get
>     messed up (due to an unseen but present node). It is possible to
>     force a location by explicitly setting \type {location} to \type
>     {here}.
>
>     Another way to force a certain order is to set the \type {order}
>     variable when placing a list. The \type {command} option only
>     pushes commands into the right order, and \type {all} orders all
>     entries (which might be too much). In this case no specific
>     location is needed with the inbetween method. Maybe additional
>     mechanisms show up some day.
>
>     \subject{normal}  \placelist[testlist]
>     \subject{command} \placelist[testlist][order=command]
>     \subject{all}     \placelist[testlist][order=all]
>
>     \page \input tufte
>
>     \writetolist     [testlist]               {1} {One}
>     \writebetweenlist[testlist] {\blackrule[color=red,width=\hsize]}
>
> \writebetweenlist[testlist][location=here]{\blackrule[color=blue,width=\hsize]}
>     \writetolist     [testlist]               {2} {Second}
>     \writetolist     [testlist][location=none]{W} {Whatever}
>     \writebetweenlist[testlist] {\blackrule[color=green,width=\hsize]}
>
> \stoptext
>
> I admit that it's not an easy mechanism but any default would at some
> point trigger complaints. So it probably needs to be wikified.
>
> Hans
>

Thanks for this. It's been wikified in the reference wiki:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/writebetweenlist

Bests 

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Re: writebetweenlist regression (mkiv)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 14.12.2010 um 10:26 schrieb Marco Pessotto:

> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
> 
>> On 13-12-2010 11:20, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am 08.11.2010 um 23:03 schrieb Marco:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello there.
>>>> 
>>>> Currently \writebetweenlist doesn't work as advised. It inserts the
>>>> argument before the last entry of the list. The minimal example is
>>>> provided by the reference itself.
>>>> 
>>>> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/writebetweenlist
>>>> 
>>>> The rule is correctly inserted at http://live.contextgarden.net/ and in
>>>> the ConTeXt shipped with TeXlive 2010 (2010.05.24), but not with the
>>>> current beta and the 2010.07.30 version. mkii works fine.
>>>> 
>>>> It prints
>>>> 
>>>> --rule--
>>>> List entry A
>>>> List entry B
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, I can confirm this with current version:
>>> 
>>> ver: 2010.12.12 17:06 MKIV
>>> 
>>> Help please!
>> 
>> There is a good reason for this. Inbetween has multiple usage and
>> these are conflicting:
>> 
>> - in order to get the right page info associated it needs to be
>> anchored in the text stream
>> - in that case a node can interfere with spacing and can come unexpected
>> - sometimes direct flushing is needed, sometimes delayed
>> 
>> btw, all these issues have been observed by users every now and then
>> 
>> Now, if unexpected interference is the hardest to track down,
>> inbetween is an immediate action. In principle one can influence that
>> but it's not that intuitive. So, I've now added an option to (1) the
>> flushers and (2) the list placers.
>> 
>> The following example shows this:
>> 
>> \definelist[testlist][criterium=all]
>> 
>> \starttext
>> 
>>    Regular list entries are bound to a specific location in order to
>>    get the right pagenumber etc.\ associated. When pushing something
>>    inbetween (in mkiv) it ends up directtly in the list. This is the
>>    default because otherwise users will wonder why spacing might get
>>    messed up (due to an unseen but present node). It is possible to
>>    force a location by explicitly setting \type {location} to \type
>>    {here}.
>> 
>>    Another way to force a certain order is to set the \type {order}
>>    variable when placing a list. The \type {command} option only
>>    pushes commands into the right order, and \type {all} orders all
>>    entries (which might be too much). In this case no specific
>>    location is needed with the inbetween method. Maybe additional
>>    mechanisms show up some day.
>> 
>>    \subject{normal}  \placelist[testlist]
>>    \subject{command} \placelist[testlist][order=command]
>>    \subject{all}     \placelist[testlist][order=all]
>> 
>>    \page \input tufte
>> 
>>    \writetolist     [testlist]               {1} {One}
>>    \writebetweenlist[testlist] {\blackrule[color=red,width=\hsize]}
>> 
>> \writebetweenlist[testlist][location=here]{\blackrule[color=blue,width=\hsize]}
>>    \writetolist     [testlist]               {2} {Second}
>>    \writetolist     [testlist][location=none]{W} {Whatever}
>>    \writebetweenlist[testlist] {\blackrule[color=green,width=\hsize]}
>> 
>> \stoptext
>> 
>> I admit that it's not an easy mechanism but any default would at some
>> point trigger complaints. So it probably needs to be wikified.
>> 
>> Hans
>> 
> 
> Thanks for this. It's been wikified in the reference wiki:
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/writebetweenlist



Thank you Hans for that extension
and thank you Marco for prompt wikifying!

Steffen

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