* Change whitespace before item?
@ 2009-08-11 15:41 U Avalos
2009-08-11 16:42 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: U Avalos @ 2009-08-11 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Say I want to change the whitespace before an item in an enumeration.
The diagram below:
|.....(a) Item 2
|.....(b) item 2
Say I want to change the whitespace (represented by the dots) in a list?
How can I do that? Tried various settings: changing margin, adding
hskip, but nothing seems to do the trick. There doesn't seem to be
anything in the docs...
How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems that no
one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. FYI,
devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users....
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 15:41 Change whitespace before item? U Avalos
@ 2009-08-11 16:42 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2009-08-11 17:13 ` Stéphane Goujet
` (2 more replies)
2009-08-11 16:49 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2009-08-11 16:57 ` Derek CORDEIRO
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2009-08-11 16:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 11.08.2009 um 17:41 schrieb U Avalos:
> Say I want to change the whitespace before an item in an enumeration.
> The diagram below:
>
> |.....(a) Item 2
> |.....(b) item 2
>
> Say I want to change the whitespace (represented by the dots) in a
> list?
> How can I do that? Tried various settings: changing margin, adding
> hskip, but nothing seems to do the trick. There doesn't seem to be
> anything in the docs...
\showframe
\starttext
\startitemize[a][stopper=,left=(,right=),margin=2cm]
\item Item 1
\item Item 2
\stopitemize
\stoptext
> How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems that no
> one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. FYI,
> devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users....
You're really impolite for someone who wants help from others.
BTW: Your question was already questioned and answered in the past,
it would have been easy for you to get the answer when you tried
to search in the mail archive.
Wolfgang
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 15:41 Change whitespace before item? U Avalos
2009-08-11 16:42 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2009-08-11 16:49 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2009-08-12 8:01 ` Taco Hoekwater
2009-08-11 16:57 ` Derek CORDEIRO
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From: Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد @ 2009-08-11 16:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Wolfgang answered your main question, so that leaves
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:41:26 -0600, U Avalos <amscopub-mail@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW?
Very simple: politely send the question a second time if you don't get a
response. I've had to do that many times myself in the past, no one is
priveleged here...
> It seems that no
> one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions.
People are busy, and no one necessarily reads every single mail. It is a
busy list after all. But see above.
> FYI, devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users....
Who says we don't get more users?
Best wishes
--
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International Journal of Shi`i Studies
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 15:41 Change whitespace before item? U Avalos
2009-08-11 16:42 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2009-08-11 16:49 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
@ 2009-08-11 16:57 ` Derek CORDEIRO
2009-08-11 18:26 ` Uriel Avalos
2009-08-11 18:31 ` U Avalos
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From: Derek CORDEIRO @ 2009-08-11 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
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On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:11 PM, U Avalos <amscopub-mail@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Say I want to change the whitespace before an item in an enumeration.
> The diagram below:
>
> |.....(a) Item 2
> |.....(b) item 2
>
> Say I want to change the whitespace (represented by the dots) in a list?
> How can I do that? Tried various settings: changing margin, adding
> hskip, but nothing seems to do the trick. There doesn't seem to be
> anything in the docs...
>
Isn't it well documented in the wiki?
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Enumerations
How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems that no
> one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. FYI,
> devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users....
>
Now who would guess that you would get replies by being rude? But it sounds
like you are doing the devs a favor by using ConTeXt. I think it has been
around long enough to not worry about its death. This is one of the best
lists I've subscribed to.
Regards,
Derek
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 16:42 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2009-08-11 17:13 ` Stéphane Goujet
2009-08-11 18:16 ` Uriel Avalos
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2009-08-11 18:15 ` Uriel Avalos
2009-08-11 18:29 ` U Avalos
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From: Stéphane Goujet @ 2009-08-11 17:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Wolfgang Schuster a écrit :
> Am 11.08.2009 um 17:41 schrieb U Avalos:
>> How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems that no
>> one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. FYI,
>> devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users....
> You're really impolite for someone who wants help from others.
Polite or not, what he says is true. Simple questions from end-users
are barely answered while questions from developpers/people with
experience are generaly answered and generate rather long threads.
I have tried posting questions once or twice and I never got a single
answer. The result is that, now, I do not post them here any more.
The flow of development/"high level" messages (that I do not
understand) is important, too important for me to see and possibly try
to answer most end-users questions. Perhaps it would be time to split
this mailing-list in 2 parts, one really for users and the other for
developpers, beta testers, package programmers, etc.
Of course, the drawback of doing this is that the gurus will not be
interested in following the users' list and will be kept busy with other
lists, so they will not be present to enlighten beginners.
Goodbye,
Stéphane.
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 16:42 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2009-08-11 17:13 ` Stéphane Goujet
@ 2009-08-11 18:15 ` Uriel Avalos
2009-08-11 18:29 ` U Avalos
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From: Uriel Avalos @ 2009-08-11 18:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Like I said, I tried "margin" and it does NOT work. "Margin" has no
effect on sub-lists.
\startitemize[n]
\item top level
\startitemize[a,margin=5cm]
\item sub item 1
\item sub item 2
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
"margin" does NOT affect the sublist at all.
Oh I apologize if you took the rant personally. (At least it got your
attention!) However, I was trying to point out that with a plethora of
other options (scribus, latex, etc) combined with a lack of help, will
just send new users packing. Eventually, you'll just be left with
veteran users.
I'm really trying to make this work for me though -- it's just that the
incomplete docs and lack of mailing list help is making this a very
frustrating journey :(
On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:42:35 Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Am 11.08.2009 um 17:41 schrieb U Avalos:
> > Say I want to change the whitespace before an item in an
enumeration.
> >
> > The diagram below:
> > |.....(a) Item 2
> > |.....(b) item 2
> >
> > Say I want to change the whitespace (represented by the dots)
in a
> > list?
> > How can I do that? Tried various settings: changing margin,
adding
> > hskip, but nothing seems to do the trick. There doesn't seem to
be
> > anything in the docs...
>
> \showframe
>
> \starttext
>
> \startitemize[a][stopper=,left=(,right=),margin=2cm]
> \item Item 1
> \item Item 2
> \stopitemize
>
> \stoptext
>
> > How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems
that no
> > one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions.
FYI,
> > devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users....
>
> You're really impolite for someone who wants help from others.
>
> BTW: Your question was already questioned and answered in the
past,
> it would have been easy for you to get the answer when you tried
> to search in the mail archive.
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 17:13 ` Stéphane Goujet
@ 2009-08-11 18:16 ` Uriel Avalos
2009-08-11 18:24 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
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From: Uriel Avalos @ 2009-08-11 18:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
That sounds like a good idea. From what you are telling me and my
experience, it seems that the gurus are too busy anyway to help
newbies...
On Tuesday 11 August 2009 13:13:02 Stéphane Goujet wrote:
> Wolfgang Schuster a écrit :
> > Am 11.08.2009 um 17:41 schrieb U Avalos:
> >> How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems
that no
> >> one either knows anything or are too busy for simple
questions. FYI,
> >> devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more
users....
> >
> > You're really impolite for someone who wants help from others.
>
> Polite or not, what he says is true. Simple questions from end-
users
> are barely answered while questions from developpers/people with
> experience are generaly answered and generate rather long
threads.
> I have tried posting questions once or twice and I never got a
single
> answer. The result is that, now, I do not post them here any more.
>
> The flow of development/"high level" messages (that I do not
> understand) is important, too important for me to see and
possibly try
> to answer most end-users questions. Perhaps it would be time to
split
> this mailing-list in 2 parts, one really for users and the other for
> developpers, beta testers, package programmers, etc.
> Of course, the drawback of doing this is that the gurus will not be
> interested in following the users' list and will be kept busy with
other
> lists, so they will not be present to enlighten beginners.
>
> Goodbye,
> Stéphane.
>
>
>
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 17:13 ` Stéphane Goujet
2009-08-11 18:16 ` Uriel Avalos
@ 2009-08-11 18:24 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2009-08-11 18:32 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2009-08-11 18:52 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد @ 2009-08-11 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:13:02 -0600, Stéphane Goujet
<stephane.goujet@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Simple questions from end-users
> are barely answered while questions from developpers/people with
> experience are generaly answered and generate rather long threads.
This is simply not true AFAICT. I've been around for years and my
questions were not always answered immediately or on a first try. And I've
seen newbies whose questions generated very long answers/threads.
If you don't get an immediate/timely answer, politely post a second or
even third time if necessary. As I said earlier, there are no privileged
users on this list.
Key: politeness and persistence :-)
Best wishes
Idris
--
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International Journal of Shi`i Studies
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 16:57 ` Derek CORDEIRO
@ 2009-08-11 18:26 ` Uriel Avalos
2009-08-11 18:31 ` U Avalos
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From: Uriel Avalos @ 2009-08-11 18:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
> Isn't it well documented in the wiki?
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Enumerations
No, actually. The documentation says to use "margins" but that
command does not seem to work for sub-lists. Unless my notation is
wrong, it would seem that the margin values for a sub-list are
hardcoded.
For example, the following code does NOT work for me:
\startitemize[n]
\item top level
\startitemize[a][margin=5cm]
\item sub item 1
\item sub item 2
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
"Margin" has no effect on the sublist...
On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:57:40 Derek CORDEIRO wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:11 PM, U Avalos <amscopub-
mail@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Say I want to change the whitespace before an item in an
enumeration.
> >
> > The diagram below:
> > |.....(a) Item 2
> > |.....(b) item 2
> >
> > Say I want to change the whitespace (represented by the dots)
in a list?
> > How can I do that? Tried various settings: changing margin,
adding
> > hskip, but nothing seems to do the trick. There doesn't seem to
be
> > anything in the docs...
>
> Isn't it well documented in the wiki?
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Enumerations
>
> How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems that
no
>
> > one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions.
FYI,
> > devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users....
>
> Now who would guess that you would get replies by being rude?
But it sounds
> like you are doing the devs a favor by using ConTeXt. I think it has
been
> around long enough to not worry about its death. This is one of the
best
> lists I've subscribed to.
>
> Regards,
> Derek
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 16:42 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2009-08-11 17:13 ` Stéphane Goujet
2009-08-11 18:15 ` Uriel Avalos
@ 2009-08-11 18:29 ` U Avalos
2009-08-11 18:50 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: U Avalos @ 2009-08-11 18:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Like I said, I tried "margin" and it does NOT work. "Margin" has no
effect on sub-lists.
\startitemize[n]
\item top level
\startitemize[a,margin=5cm]
\item sub item 1
\item sub item 2
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
"margin" does NOT affect the sublist at all.
Oh I apologize for the rant. (At least it got your attention!) However, I was
just stating the obvious: a plethora of other options (scribus, latex, etc)
combined with poor docs and a lack of help, will just send new users packing.
Eventually, you'll just be left with veteran users. It happens all the time
with open source projects...
I'm really trying to make this work for me though :)
On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:42:35 Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Am 11.08.2009 um 17:41 schrieb U Avalos:
> > Say I want to change the whitespace before an item in an enumeration.
> >
> > The diagram below:
> > |.....(a) Item 2
> > |.....(b) item 2
> >
> > Say I want to change the whitespace (represented by the dots) in a
> > list?
> > How can I do that? Tried various settings: changing margin, adding
> > hskip, but nothing seems to do the trick. There doesn't seem to be
> > anything in the docs...
>
> \showframe
>
> \starttext
>
> \startitemize[a][stopper=,left=(,right=),margin=2cm]
> \item Item 1
> \item Item 2
> \stopitemize
>
> \stoptext
>
> > How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems that no
> > one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. FYI,
> > devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users....
>
> You're really impolite for someone who wants help from others.
>
> BTW: Your question was already questioned and answered in the past,
> it would have been easy for you to get the answer when you tried
> to search in the mail archive.
>
> Wolfgang
>
> ___________________________________________________________________________
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> entry to the Wiki!
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>________
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 16:57 ` Derek CORDEIRO
2009-08-11 18:26 ` Uriel Avalos
@ 2009-08-11 18:31 ` U Avalos
1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: U Avalos @ 2009-08-11 18:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
No, actually. The documentation says to use "margins" but that
command does not seem to work for sub-lists. Unless my notation is
wrong, it would seem that the margin values for a sub-list are
hardcoded.
For example, the following code does NOT work for me:
\startitemize[n]
\item top level
\startitemize[a][margin=5cm]
\item sub item 1
\item sub item 2
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
"Margin" has no effect on the sublist...
On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:57:40 Derek CORDEIRO wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:11 PM, U Avalos <amscopub-mail@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Say I want to change the whitespace before an item in an enumeration.
> >
> > The diagram below:
> > |.....(a) Item 2
> > |.....(b) item 2
> >
> > Say I want to change the whitespace (represented by the dots) in a list?
> > How can I do that? Tried various settings: changing margin, adding
> > hskip, but nothing seems to do the trick. There doesn't seem to be
> > anything in the docs...
>
> Isn't it well documented in the wiki?
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Enumerations
>
> How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems that no
>
> > one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. FYI,
> > devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users....
>
> Now who would guess that you would get replies by being rude? But it sounds
> like you are doing the devs a favor by using ConTeXt. I think it has been
> around long enough to not worry about its death. This is one of the best
> lists I've subscribed to.
>
> Regards,
> Derek
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 17:13 ` Stéphane Goujet
2009-08-11 18:16 ` Uriel Avalos
2009-08-11 18:24 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
@ 2009-08-11 18:32 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2009-08-11 18:48 ` U Avalos
2009-08-11 18:52 ` Wolfgang Schuster
3 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد @ 2009-08-11 18:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:13:02 -0600, Stéphane Goujet
<stephane.goujet@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> I have tried posting questions once or twice and I never got a single
> answer. The result is that, now, I do not post them here any more.
Just try again and don't take it personally. That's what I've done for
years. As a last resort, write Hans, Taco or whoever is most relevant to
your question directly and say, "I've posted this to the list a couple of
times and have not goten an answer yet. Could you take a look?"
Key: politeness and persistence :-)
The developers are very busy, well, developing. Be patient with them.
>
> The flow of development/"high level" messages (that I do not
> understand) is important, too important for me to see and possibly try
> to answer most end-users questions. Perhaps it would be time to split
> this mailing-list in 2 parts, one really for users and the other for
> developpers, beta testers, package programmers, etc.
That has already been done ;-) But understand that ConTeXt is a HUGE
system, and hardly anyone understands it all.
> Of course, the drawback of doing this is that the gurus will not be
> interested in following the users' list and will be kept busy with other
> lists, so they will not be present to enlighten beginners.
In my experience this is simply not the case. One could create at least
one book out of, say, Wolfgang's answers to newbies and users in general
[actually, that might not be such a bad idea].
Best wishes
Idris
--
Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief
International Journal of Shi`i Studies
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 18:32 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
@ 2009-08-11 18:48 ` U Avalos
2009-08-11 18:55 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: U Avalos @ 2009-08-11 18:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
You're right I should know better
On Tuesday 11 August 2009 14:32:32 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:13:02 -0600, Stéphane Goujet
>
> <stephane.goujet@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> > I have tried posting questions once or twice and I never got a single
> > answer. The result is that, now, I do not post them here any more.
>
> Just try again and don't take it personally. That's what I've done for
> years. As a last resort, write Hans, Taco or whoever is most relevant to
> your question directly and say, "I've posted this to the list a couple of
> times and have not goten an answer yet. Could you take a look?"
>
> Key: politeness and persistence :-)
>
> The developers are very busy, well, developing. Be patient with them.
>
> > The flow of development/"high level" messages (that I do not
> > understand) is important, too important for me to see and possibly try
> > to answer most end-users questions. Perhaps it would be time to split
> > this mailing-list in 2 parts, one really for users and the other for
> > developpers, beta testers, package programmers, etc.
>
> That has already been done ;-) But understand that ConTeXt is a HUGE
> system, and hardly anyone understands it all.
>
> > Of course, the drawback of doing this is that the gurus will not be
> > interested in following the users' list and will be kept busy with other
> > lists, so they will not be present to enlighten beginners.
>
> In my experience this is simply not the case. One could create at least
> one book out of, say, Wolfgang's answers to newbies and users in general
> [actually, that might not be such a bad idea].
>
> Best wishes
> Idris
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 18:29 ` U Avalos
@ 2009-08-11 18:50 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2009-08-11 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 11.08.2009 um 20:29 schrieb U Avalos:
> Like I said, I tried "margin" and it does NOT work. "Margin" has no
> effect on sub-lists.
You *never* wrote anything about sublevels before, who do you expect
we should know what do you mean without enough information?
The value for 'margin' as added to the left margin for each level,
sub levels are controlled with the 'width' parameter. You can then
align the number/symbol/... with 'itemalign' or with
'left=hskip<dimen>'.
\showframe
\starttext
\startitemize[n]
\item Item 1
\item Item 2
\startitemize[a][left=\hskip1cm,width=2cm]
\item Item 1
\item Item 2
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 17:13 ` Stéphane Goujet
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2009-08-11 18:32 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
@ 2009-08-11 18:52 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2009-08-11 18:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Am 11.08.2009 um 19:13 schrieb Stéphane Goujet:
> Perhaps it would be time to split
> this mailing-list in 2 parts, one really for users and the other for
> developpers, beta testers, package programmers, etc.
We already have two different lists: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Mailing_Lists#Mailing_lists
Wolfgang
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 18:48 ` U Avalos
@ 2009-08-11 18:55 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2009-08-11 19:27 ` U Avalos
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2009-08-11 18:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On Aug 11, 2009, at 8:48 PM, U Avalos wrote:
> You're right I should know better
OK, since you're a brave man and can admit a mistake: here's an answer
to your original question. I'm not sure if it's the best way to do
this, but it allows you to finetune the whitespace and the distance
after the itemization symbols:
\starttext
\startitemize[n]
\item top level
\startitemize[A,intext][left={\hskip2em},width=4em]
\item sub item 1
\item sub item 2
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
\stoptext
Thomas
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 18:55 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2009-08-11 19:27 ` U Avalos
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From: U Avalos @ 2009-08-11 19:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
It works! That also was Wolfgang's solution ... however, the "intext" was not
necessary. Funny thing is I could have sworn I tried "left=\hskip" before...
Thanx
On Tuesday 11 August 2009 14:55:44 Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On Aug 11, 2009, at 8:48 PM, U Avalos wrote:
> > You're right I should know better
>
> OK, since you're a brave man and can admit a mistake: here's an answer
> to your original question. I'm not sure if it's the best way to do
> this, but it allows you to finetune the whitespace and the distance
> after the itemization symbols:
>
> \starttext
>
> \startitemize[n]
> \item top level
> \startitemize[A,intext][left={\hskip2em},width=4em]
> \item sub item 1
> \item sub item 2
> \stopitemize
> \stopitemize
>
> \stoptext
>
> Thomas
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* Re: Change whitespace before item?
2009-08-11 16:49 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
@ 2009-08-12 8:01 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2009-08-12 8:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,
Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:
>
>> It seems that no
>> one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions.
>
> People are busy, and no one necessarily reads every single mail. It is a
> busy list after all. But see above.
I just saw this thread while approving Uriel Avalos' earlier posts. I
used to answer newbie questions on the list, but currently I simply do
not have the time for that. In between preparing metapost and luatex
releases for texlive and organising and preparing my talks for the
upcoming context meeting, reinstalling the NTG server and on top of
that a big workload of commercial stuff with September deadlines I
simply do not have time respond to anything but personal questions.
I hope this situation will improve at the end of September.
Best wishes,
Taco
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