* faking smallcaps font with font features and fallbacks
@ 2018-10-03 10:33 mf
2018-10-03 13:29 ` Hans Hagen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: mf @ 2018-10-03 10:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Hello list,
i'm trying to add a smallcaps variant to the MyriadPro font, since it
does not implement the smcp opentype feature.
My strategy:
- "transplant" the uppercase letters of the MyriadPro-Regular into the
lowercase letters of the same font with a font fallback that scales down
the glyphs ("FakeSansCaps" in the following source)
- since the scaled down glyphs get also thinner traits, embolden them
with a font feature effect ("emboldened" in the following source) to
make them consistent with the "real" uppercase letters
What is not working: i don't know how to map the uppercase letters to
the lowercase range; i tried to specify an offset of -32 in
\definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps][SansEmboldened][0x61-0x7a][rscale=.8,force=yes,offset=-32]
but it does not work.
Here's the minimal (not) working example:
\starttypescriptcollection [myriadpro]
\definefontfeature[emboldened][effect={width=0.1,delta=0.4,factor=0.3}]
\starttypescript [sans] [myriadpro]
\definefontsynonym [Sans]
[file:MyriadPro-Regular.otf] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [file:MyriadPro-It.otf]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansBold] [file:MyriadPro-Bold.otf]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [file:MyriadPro-BoldIt.otf]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansSlanted] [file:MyriadPro-It.otf]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldSlanted] [file:MyriadPro-BoldIt.otf]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansEmboldened] [Sans] [features=emboldened]
\definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened]
[0x61-0x7a] [rscale=.8,force=yes] % offset?
\definefontsynonym [SansCaps]
[file:MyriadPro-Regular.otf] [fallbacks=FakeSansCaps]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [myriadpro]
\definetypeface [myriadpro] [ss] [sans] [myriadpro] [default]
\stoptypescript
\stoptypescriptcollection
\usetypescript[myriadpro]
\setupbodyfont[myriadpro,ss]
\starttext
% scaled up 4 times to appreciate the thickness compensation
\scale[sx=4,sy=4]{\sc SoMe CaMeLcAsE TeXt.}\par
\stoptext
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2018-10-03 10:33 faking smallcaps font with font features and fallbacks mf
@ 2018-10-03 13:29 ` Hans Hagen
2018-10-03 14:02 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-10-03 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mf, ntg-context@ntg.nl >> mailing list for ConTeXt users
On 10/3/2018 12:33 PM, mf wrote:
> Hello list,
> i'm trying to add a smallcaps variant to the MyriadPro font, since it
> does not implement the smcp opentype feature.
>
> My strategy:
>
> - "transplant" the uppercase letters of the MyriadPro-Regular into the
> lowercase letters of the same font with a font fallback that scales down
> the glyphs ("FakeSansCaps" in the following source)
>
> - since the scaled down glyphs get also thinner traits, embolden them
> with a font feature effect ("emboldened" in the following source) to
> make them consistent with the "real" uppercase letters
>
> What is not working: i don't know how to map the uppercase letters to
> the lowercase range; i tried to specify an offset of -32 in
>
> \definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps][SansEmboldened][0x61-0x7a][rscale=.8,force=yes,offset=-32]
>
>
> but it does not work.
>
> Here's the minimal (not) working example:
>
> \starttypescriptcollection [myriadpro]
>
> \definefontfeature[emboldened][effect={width=0.1,delta=0.4,factor=0.3}]
>
> \starttypescript [sans] [myriadpro]
> \definefontsynonym [Sans] [file:MyriadPro-Regular.otf]
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [file:MyriadPro-It.otf]
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [SansBold] [file:MyriadPro-Bold.otf]
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [file:MyriadPro-BoldIt.otf]
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [SansSlanted] [file:MyriadPro-It.otf]
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [SansBoldSlanted] [file:MyriadPro-BoldIt.otf]
> [features=default]
>
> \definefontsynonym [SansEmboldened] [Sans] [features=emboldened]
> \definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened]
> [0x61-0x7a] [rscale=.8,force=yes] % offset?
>
> \definefontsynonym [SansCaps] [file:MyriadPro-Regular.otf]
> [fallbacks=FakeSansCaps]
> \stoptypescript
> \starttypescript [myriadpro]
> \definetypeface [myriadpro] [ss] [sans] [myriadpro] [default]
> \stoptypescript
>
> \stoptypescriptcollection
>
> \usetypescript[myriadpro]
>
> \setupbodyfont[myriadpro,ss]
>
> \starttext
> % scaled up 4 times to appreciate the thickness compensation
> \scale[sx=4,sy=4]{\sc SoMe CaMeLcAsE TeXt.}\par
> \stoptext
'offset' offsets the original, i'll add 'target' so that you can do
\definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened]
[0x61-0x7a] [rscale=.8,force=yes,target=0x41]
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread* Re: faking smallcaps font with font features and fallbacks
2018-10-03 13:29 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2018-10-03 14:02 ` Hans Hagen
2018-10-03 14:20 ` mf
2018-10-04 11:44 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-10-03 14:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mf, ntg-context@ntg.nl >> mailing list for ConTeXt users
On 10/3/2018 3:29 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 10/3/2018 12:33 PM, mf wrote:
>> Hello list,
>> i'm trying to add a smallcaps variant to the MyriadPro font, since it
>> does not implement the smcp opentype feature.
>>
>> My strategy:
>>
>> - "transplant" the uppercase letters of the MyriadPro-Regular into the
>> lowercase letters of the same font with a font fallback that scales
>> down the glyphs ("FakeSansCaps" in the following source)
>>
>> - since the scaled down glyphs get also thinner traits, embolden them
>> with a font feature effect ("emboldened" in the following source) to
>> make them consistent with the "real" uppercase letters
>>
>> What is not working: i don't know how to map the uppercase letters to
>> the lowercase range; i tried to specify an offset of -32 in
>>
>> \definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps][SansEmboldened][0x61-0x7a][rscale=.8,force=yes,offset=-32]
>>
>>
>> but it does not work.
>>
>> Here's the minimal (not) working example:
>>
>> \starttypescriptcollection [myriadpro]
>>
>>
>> \definefontfeature[emboldened][effect={width=0.1,delta=0.4,factor=0.3}]
>>
>> \starttypescript [sans] [myriadpro]
>> \definefontsynonym [Sans] [file:MyriadPro-Regular.otf]
>> [features=default]
>> \definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [file:MyriadPro-It.otf]
>> [features=default]
>> \definefontsynonym [SansBold] [file:MyriadPro-Bold.otf]
>> [features=default]
>> \definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic]
>> [file:MyriadPro-BoldIt.otf] [features=default]
>> \definefontsynonym [SansSlanted] [file:MyriadPro-It.otf]
>> [features=default]
>> \definefontsynonym [SansBoldSlanted]
>> [file:MyriadPro-BoldIt.otf] [features=default]
>>
>> \definefontsynonym [SansEmboldened] [Sans] [features=emboldened]
>> \definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened]
>> [0x61-0x7a] [rscale=.8,force=yes] % offset?
>>
>> \definefontsynonym [SansCaps] [file:MyriadPro-Regular.otf]
>> [fallbacks=FakeSansCaps]
>> \stoptypescript
>> \starttypescript [myriadpro]
>> \definetypeface [myriadpro] [ss] [sans] [myriadpro] [default]
>> \stoptypescript
>>
>> \stoptypescriptcollection
>>
>> \usetypescript[myriadpro]
>>
>> \setupbodyfont[myriadpro,ss]
>>
>> \starttext
>> % scaled up 4 times to appreciate the thickness compensation
>> \scale[sx=4,sy=4]{\sc SoMe CaMeLcAsE TeXt.}\par
>> \stoptext
> 'offset' offsets the original, i'll add 'target' so that you can do
>
> \definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened]
> [0x61-0x7a] [rscale=.8,force=yes,target=0x41]
ok, even nicer:
\definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened]
[0x0000-0xFFFF] [rscale=.8,method=uppercase]
which will remap all lowercase in the font so that you also get accented
characters
Hans
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread* Re: faking smallcaps font with font features and fallbacks
2018-10-03 14:02 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2018-10-03 14:20 ` mf
2018-10-03 14:31 ` Hans Hagen
2018-10-04 11:44 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: mf @ 2018-10-03 14:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl >> mailing list for ConTeXt users
Il 03/10/18 16:02, Hans Hagen ha scritto:
> ok, even nicer:
>
> \definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened]
> [0x0000-0xFFFF] [rscale=.8,method=uppercase]
>
> which will remap all lowercase in the font so that you also get accented
> characters
Yes, for this case it makes more sense using method=uppercase.
But "target=" is a more general solution (remapping old dingbats fonts
on the dingbats section of unicode makes sense as an example?)
Would the range 0x0000-0xFFFF overwrite also capital letters?
In that case i'm afraid we'd have a scaled down, embolded, uppercase
version of the font, not a small-caps variant with a consistent thickess
of the glyphs.
I think i should specify only the lower case letters' ranges.
Massimiliano
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* Re: faking smallcaps font with font features and fallbacks
2018-10-03 14:20 ` mf
@ 2018-10-03 14:31 ` Hans Hagen
2018-10-03 15:16 ` mf
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-10-03 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, mf
On 10/3/2018 4:20 PM, mf wrote:
> Il 03/10/18 16:02, Hans Hagen ha scritto:
>> ok, even nicer:
>>
>> \definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened]
>> [0x0000-0xFFFF] [rscale=.8,method=uppercase]
>>
>> which will remap all lowercase in the font so that you also get
>> accented characters
>
> Yes, for this case it makes more sense using method=uppercase.
>
> But "target=" is a more general solution (remapping old dingbats fonts
> on the dingbats section of unicode makes sense as an example?)
>
> Would the range 0x0000-0xFFFF overwrite also capital letters?
it checks for the lowercase / uippercase unicode properties so it's safe
> In that case i'm afraid we'd have a scaled down, embolded, uppercase
> version of the font, not a small-caps variant with a consistent thickess
> of the glyphs.
no, it more 'clever'
> I think i should specify only the lower case letters' ranges.
no, it does that itself
btw, make sure that you also apply default features to the emboldened ...
Hans
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@ 2018-10-03 15:16 ` mf
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From: mf @ 2018-10-03 15:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
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\starttypescriptcollection [myriadpro]
\definefontfeature[emboldened][effect={width=0.18,delta=0.4,factor=0.3}]
\starttypescript [sans] [myriadpro]
\definefontsynonym [Sans]
[file:MyriadPro-Regular.otf] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [file:MyriadPro-It.otf]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansBold] [file:MyriadPro-Bold.otf]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [file:MyriadPro-BoldIt.otf]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansSlanted] [file:MyriadPro-It.otf]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldSlanted] [file:MyriadPro-BoldIt.otf]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansEmboldened] [Sans]
[features={default,emboldened}]
\definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened]
[0x0000-0xFFFF] [rscale=.8,method=uppercase]
\definefontsynonym [SansCaps] [file:MyriadPro-Regular.otf]
[fallbacks=FakeSansCaps]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [myriadpro]
\definetypeface [myriadpro] [ss] [sans] [myriadpro] [default]
\stoptypescript
\stoptypescriptcollection
\usetypescript[myriadpro]
\setupbodyfont[myriadpro,ss]
\starttext
% scaled up 4 times to appreciate the thickness equalization
\scale[sx=4,sy=4]{\sc RoLlErCoAsTeR TeXt.}\par
\blank
\scale[sx=4,sy=4]{\sc ÀàÉéÎîÖöÜü.}\par
\blank
\scale[sx=4,sy=4]{\sc ŁłĄąĞğŘřŻż.}\par
\stoptext
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\starttypescriptcollection [myriadpro]
\definefontfeature[emboldened][effect={width=0.18,delta=0.4,factor=0.3}]
\starttypescript [sans] [myriadpro]
\definefontsynonym [Sans] [file:MyriadPro-Regular.otf] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [file:MyriadPro-It.otf] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansBold] [file:MyriadPro-Bold.otf] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [file:MyriadPro-BoldIt.otf] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansSlanted] [file:MyriadPro-It.otf] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldSlanted] [file:MyriadPro-BoldIt.otf] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansEmboldened] [Sans] [features={default,emboldened}]
\definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened] [0x0000-0xFFFF] [rscale=.8,method=uppercase]
\definefontsynonym [SansCaps] [file:MyriadPro-Regular.otf] [fallbacks=FakeSansCaps]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [myriadpro]
\definetypeface [myriadpro] [ss] [sans] [myriadpro] [default]
\stoptypescript
\stoptypescriptcollection
\usetypescript[myriadpro]
\setupbodyfont[myriadpro,ss]
\starttext
% scaled up 4 times to appreciate the thickness equalization
\scale[sx=4,sy=4]{\sc RoLlErCoAsTeR TeXt.}\par
\blank
\scale[sx=4,sy=4]{\sc ÀàÉéÎîÖöÜü.}\par
\blank
\scale[sx=4,sy=4]{\sc ŁłĄąĞğŘřŻż.}\par
\stoptext
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2018-10-03 15:16 ` mf
@ 2018-10-03 16:59 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-10-03 16:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
Hi,
better shift a bit up to compensate for the line width relative to the
bbox:
> \starttypescriptcollection [myriadpro]
>
> \definefontfeature[emboldened][effect={width=0.18,delta=0.4,factor=0.3}]
\definefontfeature[emboldened][effect={width=0.18,delta=0.4,factor=0.3,vshift=.4}]
> \starttypescript [sans] [myriadpro]
> \definefontsynonym [Sans] [file:MyriadPro-Regular.otf]
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [file:MyriadPro-It.otf]
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [SansBold] [file:MyriadPro-Bold.otf]
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [file:MyriadPro-BoldIt.otf]
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [SansSlanted] [file:MyriadPro-It.otf]
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [SansBoldSlanted] [file:MyriadPro-BoldIt.otf]
> [features=default]
>
> \definefontsynonym [SansEmboldened] [Sans]
> [features={default,emboldened}]
> \definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened]
> [0x0000-0xFFFF] [rscale=.8,method=uppercase]
>
> \definefontsynonym [SansCaps] [file:MyriadPro-Regular.otf]
> [fallbacks=FakeSansCaps]
> \stoptypescript
> \starttypescript [myriadpro]
> \definetypeface [myriadpro] [ss] [sans] [myriadpro] [default]
> \stoptypescript
>
> \stoptypescriptcollection
>
> \usetypescript[myriadpro]
>
> \setupbodyfont[myriadpro,ss]
>
> \starttext
> % scaled up 4 times to appreciate the thickness equalization
> \scale[sx=4,sy=4]{\sc RoLlErCoAsTeR TeXt.}\par
> \blank
> \scale[sx=4,sy=4]{\sc ÀàÉéÎîÖöÜü.}\par
> \blank
> \scale[sx=4,sy=4]{\sc ŁłĄąĞğŘřŻż.}\par
> \stoptext
>
>
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* Re: faking smallcaps font with font features and fallbacks
2018-10-03 14:02 ` Hans Hagen
2018-10-03 14:20 ` mf
@ 2018-10-04 11:44 ` Taco Hoekwater
2018-10-04 12:11 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2018-10-04 11:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Hi,
> ok, even nicer:
>
> \definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened] [0x0000-0xFFFF] [rscale=.8,method=uppercase]
>
> which will remap all lowercase in the font so that you also get accented characters
I do not like ‘emboldened’ as it results in a very ugly screen preview for me.
But the new ‘uppercase’ feature is really neat, since it makes something that
I had in mind for IBM Plex very easy to implement. Here is the demo:
\starttypescriptcollection [plextest]
\starttypescript [sans] [plextest]
\setups[font:fallback:sans]
\definefontsynonym [Sans] [file:IBMPlexSans-regular] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [SansDarker] [file:IBMPlexSans-text] [features=default]
\definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansDarker] [0x0000-0xFFFF] [rscale=0.75,method=uppercase]
\definefontsynonym [SansCaps] [file:IBMPlexSans-regular] [fallbacks=FakeSansCaps]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [plextest]
\definetypeface [plextest] [ss] [sans] [plextest] [default] [features=default]
\stoptypescript
\stoptypescriptcollection
\usetypescript[plextest]
\setupbodyfont[plextest]
\starttext
\startTEXpage
Some camelcase and number and
{\sc SoMe CaMeLcAsE TeXt with Numbers and also
EA\"e\'a\ae\AE\ and whatever has lowercase, like
Effe Flink} but also different stuff
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
This only works for font families with many weights (IBM Plex has eight), but there are more of those
around these days.
With a bit of tweaking to the rscale, it should be possible to get visually correct greyness values
for all of the family's fonts except for the most bold one (bold smallcaps is generally ugly anyway).
Best wishes,
Taco
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread* Re: faking smallcaps font with font features and fallbacks
2018-10-04 11:44 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2018-10-04 12:11 ` Hans Hagen
2018-10-04 13:19 ` Taco Hoekwater
2018-10-04 13:35 ` mf
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-10-04 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Taco Hoekwater
On 10/4/2018 1:44 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> ok, even nicer:
>>
>> \definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened] [0x0000-0xFFFF] [rscale=.8,method=uppercase]
>>
>> which will remap all lowercase in the font so that you also get accented characters
>
> I do not like ‘emboldened’ as it results in a very ugly screen preview for me.
>
> But the new ‘uppercase’ feature is really neat, since it makes something that
> I had in mind for IBM Plex very easy to implement. Here is the demo:
hm, here it actually looks quote ok ... apple preview issue?
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2018-10-04 12:11 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2018-10-04 13:19 ` Taco Hoekwater
2018-10-04 13:46 ` Hans Hagen
2018-10-04 13:35 ` mf
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2018-10-04 13:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> On 4 Oct 2018, at 14:11, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> On 10/4/2018 1:44 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>> Hi,
>>> ok, even nicer:
>>>
>>> \definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened] [0x0000-0xFFFF] [rscale=.8,method=uppercase]
>>>
>>> which will remap all lowercase in the font so that you also get accented characters
>> I do not like ‘emboldened’ as it results in a very ugly screen preview for me.
>> But the new ‘uppercase’ feature is really neat, since it makes something that
>> I had in mind for IBM Plex very easy to implement. Here is the demo:
>
> hm, here it actually looks quote ok ... apple preview issue?
Probably, but that also means I will not trust an unknown device at some
printshop to do the ‘right thing’.
Best wishes,
Taco
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* Re: faking smallcaps font with font features and fallbacks
2018-10-04 13:19 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2018-10-04 13:46 ` Hans Hagen
2018-10-04 14:26 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-10-04 13:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Taco Hoekwater
On 10/4/2018 3:19 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>
>
>> On 4 Oct 2018, at 14:11, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>> On 10/4/2018 1:44 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>> ok, even nicer:
>>>>
>>>> \definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened] [0x0000-0xFFFF] [rscale=.8,method=uppercase]
>>>>
>>>> which will remap all lowercase in the font so that you also get accented characters
>>> I do not like ‘emboldened’ as it results in a very ugly screen preview for me.
>>> But the new ‘uppercase’ feature is really neat, since it makes something that
>>> I had in mind for IBM Plex very easy to implement. Here is the demo:
>>
>> hm, here it actually looks quote ok ... apple preview issue?
>
> Probably, but that also means I will not trust an unknown device at some
> printshop to do the ‘right thing’.
hm, so then you can't trust linewidths either because that is what it does
Hans
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2018-10-04 13:46 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2018-10-04 14:26 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2018-10-04 14:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Hans Hagen; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Hi,
> On 4 Oct 2018, at 15:46, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> On 10/4/2018 3:19 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>>> On 4 Oct 2018, at 14:11, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/4/2018 1:44 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>> ok, even nicer:
>>>>>
>>>>> \definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened] [0x0000-0xFFFF] [rscale=.8,method=uppercase]
>>>>>
>>>>> which will remap all lowercase in the font so that you also get accented characters
>>>> I do not like ‘emboldened’ as it results in a very ugly screen preview for me.
>>>> But the new ‘uppercase’ feature is really neat, since it makes something that
>>>> I had in mind for IBM Plex very easy to implement. Here is the demo:
>>>
>>> hm, here it actually looks quote ok ... apple preview issue?
>> Probably, but that also means I will not trust an unknown device at some
>> printshop to do the ‘right thing’.
> hm, so then you can't trust linewidths either because that is what it does
Modifying the text rendering mode (Tr operator) is not quite the same
as altering the line width in the page stream. Typically, renderers
have separate code paths for text rendering and font rendering.
Anyway, to add to the list: mupdf-gl also appears to do fine.
Best wishes,
Taco
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* Re: faking smallcaps font with font features and fallbacks
2018-10-04 12:11 ` Hans Hagen
2018-10-04 13:19 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2018-10-04 13:35 ` mf
2018-10-04 13:45 ` Hans Hagen
2018-10-04 13:47 ` luigi scarso
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From: mf @ 2018-10-04 13:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
Il 04/10/18 14:11, Hans Hagen ha scritto:
> On 10/4/2018 1:44 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>> ok, even nicer:
>>>
>>> \definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened]
>>> [0x0000-0xFFFF] [rscale=.8,method=uppercase]
>>>
>>> which will remap all lowercase in the font so that you also get
>>> accented characters
>>
>> I do not like ‘emboldened’ as it results in a very ugly screen preview
>> for me.
>>
>> But the new ‘uppercase’ feature is really neat, since it makes
>> something that
>> I had in mind for IBM Plex very easy to implement. Here is the demo:
>
> hm, here it actually looks quote ok ... apple preview issue?
>
In Debian, evince has the same problem (ugly preview); instead qpdfview
preview is OK.
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* Re: faking smallcaps font with font features and fallbacks
2018-10-04 13:35 ` mf
@ 2018-10-04 13:45 ` Hans Hagen
2018-10-04 14:10 ` mf
2018-10-04 13:47 ` luigi scarso
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-10-04 13:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, mf
On 10/4/2018 3:35 PM, mf wrote:
> Il 04/10/18 14:11, Hans Hagen ha scritto:
>> On 10/4/2018 1:44 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>> ok, even nicer:
>>>>
>>>> \definefontfallback[FakeSansCaps] [SansEmboldened]
>>>> [0x0000-0xFFFF] [rscale=.8,method=uppercase]
>>>>
>>>> which will remap all lowercase in the font so that you also get
>>>> accented characters
>>>
>>> I do not like ‘emboldened’ as it results in a very ugly screen
>>> preview for me.
>>>
>>> But the new ‘uppercase’ feature is really neat, since it makes
>>> something that
>>> I had in mind for IBM Plex very easy to implement. Here is the demo:
>>
>> hm, here it actually looks quote ok ... apple preview issue?
>>
> In Debian, evince has the same problem (ugly preview); instead qpdfview
> preview is OK.
maybe some aliasing option?
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@ 2018-10-04 14:10 ` mf
2018-10-04 14:38 ` Hans Hagen
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From: mf @ 2018-10-04 14:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
>>>
>> In Debian, evince has the same problem (ugly preview); instead
>> qpdfview preview is OK.
> maybe some aliasing option?
evince (ugly) uses cairo, qpdfview (good) uses qt.
Zooming out the preview becomes uglier, but
- evince emboldens too much
- qpdfview shifts the emboldened glyphs downward
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-10-04 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, mf
On 10/4/2018 4:10 PM, mf wrote:
>>>>
>>> In Debian, evince has the same problem (ugly preview); instead
>>> qpdfview preview is OK.
>> maybe some aliasing option?
>
> evince (ugly) uses cairo, qpdfview (good) uses qt.
>
> Zooming out the preview becomes uglier, but
> - evince emboldens too much
> - qpdfview shifts the emboldened glyphs downward
that why i suggested a vshift
\definefontfeature[emboldened][effect={width=0.18,delta=0.4,factor=0.3,vshift=.4}]
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From: luigi scarso @ 2018-10-04 13:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:35 PM mf <massifr@fastwebnet.it> wrote:
> In Debian, evince has the same problem (ugly preview); instead qpdfview
> preview is OK.
>
qpdfview -> Edit->Settings->Graphics General/PDF/PS
Several "antialias like" option, plus backend.
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