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[82.236.32.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dp5sm4790682wib.1.2013.03.19.23.05.06 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:05:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e; country=IE X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 07JdG59Pl - d32307eb87ba - 20130320 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:81224 Archived-At: On 19 mars 2013, at 19:47, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > [=85]Although most active users use ConTeXt standalone and are willing to= update frequently, TL still plays an important role in introducing new use= rs to ConTeXt. An experienced TeX user who wants to try ConTeXt is more lik= ely to try ConTeXt distributed as part of TL rather than ConTeXt standalone= . When there are serious bugs with ConTeXt TL, it gives the impression that= ConTeXt is not a mature macro package. Hi, To support what suggests Aditya, I would like to say that the main issue wi= th the current state of ConTeXt in TeXLive (either mkii or mkiv) is that mo= st =AB lambda =BB users of TeX whom I know in the mathematics world and in = accademia, that is: --- users who are not familiar with what should be changed in TeXLive, = --- users who don't even know TeX and LaTeX are not synonyms, = --- users who don't know that there exist another environments and macro p= ackages for typesetting tex-files, = --- users who don't know that using ConTeXt one can do better typesetting,= and that it has better features, = all those users are not going to install a stand alone ConTeXt. They would = use TeXLive, they would try everything in it, but all they want is to write= a paper and typeset it with a TeX package with a single command (or in the= case of Mac users, from within TeXShop or another editor). Most of them do= not even know where TeXLive sits on their computer, and they don't know ho= w to install something new. Unfortunately, the ConTeXt in TeXLive does not work out of the box: the use= r has to issue a few commands before he can typeset a file with ConTeXt, ei= ther mkii or mkiv (for instance on my installation of TeXLive, after having= issued a few commands, which I don't remember right now, I can use ConTeXt= with LuaTeX, that is mkiv, but I cannot use mkii). For my part I have been advocating ConTeXt among my colleagues (especially = for course materials and books, since submitting a paper to a journal is es= sentially impossible if it is a ConTeXt file). Most of them agree that ConT= eXt gives a much better result, but when it comes to how to use ConTeXt fro= m TeXLive they are afraid and don't go further. For some of them I have ins= talled a stand alone ConTeXt, but most of them do not update their installa= tion, since they would not use the most recent features or improvements (fo= r most of day to day typesettings, when one does not use complexe features,= even a beta version is sufficiently stable for such users). So my pledge is this: make any stable version of ConTeXt in TeXLive so that= it works and typesets a tex-file =AB out of the box =BB, without needing t= o issue any command other than: context myfile.tex This is the case with LaTeX inside TeXLive, and so I cannot see any strong = reason for ConTeXt not having the same behavior. 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