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* Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
@ 2021-07-30 21:24 Otared Kavian via ntg-context
  2021-07-30 22:05 ` Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context
  2021-07-31 10:00 ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
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From: Otared Kavian via ntg-context @ 2021-07-30 21:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Otared Kavian

Hi all,

I noticed that beginning July 27th, the messages distributed by the ConTeXt mailing list appear to be from

	Mailing list for ConTeXt users

without the actual name of the sender appearing. It may be dependent on the mail client I am using (Mail.app on MacOS 11.4), but I wonder whether something has changed on mailing list server, and whether if there is something I can do to have the old behaviour (which was convenient when one wanted to follow up mails from some specific contributors). 

Also has anybody else noticed this change?

Thanks in advance for any hint.
Best regards: Otared
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* Re: Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
  2021-07-30 21:24 Strange new behaviour of the mailing list Otared Kavian via ntg-context
@ 2021-07-30 22:05 ` Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context
  2021-07-30 22:47   ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
  2021-07-31  9:35   ` Otared Kavian via ntg-context
  2021-07-31 10:00 ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
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From: Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context @ 2021-07-30 22:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context; +Cc: Bruce Horrocks, Otared Kavian

On 30 Jul 2021, at 22:24, Otared Kavian via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I noticed that beginning July 27th, the messages distributed by the ConTeXt mailing list appear to be from
> 
> 	Mailing list for ConTeXt users
> 
> without the actual name of the sender appearing. It may be dependent on the mail client I am using (Mail.app on MacOS 11.4), but I wonder whether something has changed on mailing list server, and whether if there is something I can do to have the old behaviour (which was convenient when one wanted to follow up mails from some specific contributors). 
> 
> Also has anybody else noticed this change?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any hint.
> Best regards: Otared

I see the same thing, also on Macos. Looking at an older message, I see that the Reply-To: header has changed from

Reply to: Bruce Horrocks <ntg@scorecrow.com>,
  mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>

to

Reply to: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>


So I suggest that there is little you can do as it appears to be a configuration change on the mailing list server; and Apple Mail doesn't have the facilities to easily allow you to re-write that header

—
Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire, UK

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* Re: Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
  2021-07-30 22:05 ` Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context
@ 2021-07-30 22:47   ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
  2021-07-31  9:31     ` Otared Kavian via ntg-context
  2021-07-31  9:35   ` Otared Kavian via ntg-context
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context @ 2021-07-30 22:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm


> Am 31.07.2021 um 00:05 schrieb Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
> 
> On 30 Jul 2021, at 22:24, Otared Kavian via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I noticed that beginning July 27th, the messages distributed by the ConTeXt mailing list appear to be from
>> 
>> 	Mailing list for ConTeXt users
>> 
>> without the actual name of the sender appearing.  ...
> 
> I see the same thing, also on Macos. Looking at an older message, I see that the Reply-To: header has changed from
> 
> Reply to: Bruce Horrocks <ntg@scorecrow.com>,
>  mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> 
> to
> 
> Reply to: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>

If you click on that name, you can see the actual address.

Hraban
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* Re: Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
  2021-07-30 22:47   ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
@ 2021-07-31  9:31     ` Otared Kavian via ntg-context
  2021-07-31  9:41       ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
  2021-07-31 10:01       ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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From: Otared Kavian via ntg-context @ 2021-07-31  9:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Otared Kavian


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> On 31 Jul 2021, at 00:47, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>> […]
> 
> If you click on that name, you can see the actual address.
> 
> Hraban

Sure, but I don’t understand why the behaviour has changed. It seems to me a regression…

Best regards: Otared



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* Re: Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
  2021-07-30 22:05 ` Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context
  2021-07-30 22:47   ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
@ 2021-07-31  9:35   ` Otared Kavian via ntg-context
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From: Otared Kavian via ntg-context @ 2021-07-31  9:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bruce Horrocks; +Cc: Otared Kavian, mailing list for ConTeXt users

> On 31 Jul 2021, at 00:05, Bruce Horrocks <ntg@scorecrow.com> wrote:
> […]
> I see the same thing, also on Macos. Looking at an older message, I see that the Reply-To: header has changed from
> 
> Reply to: Bruce Horrocks <ntg@scorecrow.com>,
>  mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> 
> to
> 
> Reply to: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> 
> 
> So I suggest that there is little you can do as it appears to be a configuration change on the mailing list server; and Apple Mail doesn't have the facilities to easily allow you to re-write that header

Hi Bruce,

Thanks for your reply. 
I don’t know what has triggered this change, which seems to me strange and inconvenient.

Best regards: Otared
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* Re: Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
  2021-07-31  9:31     ` Otared Kavian via ntg-context
@ 2021-07-31  9:41       ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
  2021-07-31 10:20         ` Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context
  2021-07-31 10:01       ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2021-07-31  9:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context; +Cc: denis.maier, otared

I think so too. Especially since the original sender's address isn't included in "reply to all" messages.

________________________________________
Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> im Auftrag von Otared Kavian via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Gesendet: Samstag, 31. Juli 2021 11:31:40
An: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Cc: Otared Kavian
Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Strange new behaviour of the mailing list

On 31 Jul 2021, at 00:47, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl<mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:
[…]

If you click on that name, you can see the actual address.

Hraban

Sure, but I don’t understand why the behaviour has changed. It seems to me a regression…

Best regards: Otared


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* Re: Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
  2021-07-30 21:24 Strange new behaviour of the mailing list Otared Kavian via ntg-context
  2021-07-30 22:05 ` Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context
@ 2021-07-31 10:00 ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
  2021-07-31 13:56   ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
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From: Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context @ 2021-07-31 10:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Otared Kavian via ntg-context; +Cc: Pablo Rodriguez

On 7/30/21 11:24 PM, Otared Kavian via ntg-context wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I noticed that beginning July 27th, the messages distributed by the
> ConTeXt mailing list appear to be from
>
> 	Mailing list for ConTeXt users
>
> without the actual name of the sender appearing. It may be dependent
> on the mail client I am using (Mail.app on MacOS 11.4), but I wonder
> whether something has changed on mailing list server, and whether if
> there is something I can do to have the old behaviour (which was
> convenient when one wanted to follow up mails from some specific
> contributors).
>
> Also has anybody else noticed this change?

Hi Otared,

message headers read now:

  From: Otared Kavian via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
  Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
  Cc: Otared Kavian <xxx@xxx.xxx>
  Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl
  Sender: "ntg-context" <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl>

Before they read:

  From: Otared Kavian <xxx@xxx.xxx>
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
  Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
  Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl
  Sender: "ntg-context" <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl>

I experience the same problem as yours.

Before, replying in Thunderbird (Ctrl+r) generated a private reply. I
needed to generate a reply to the list (Ctrl+Shif+l).

Right now, Ctrl+r generates a reply to the list.

It seems that there is no perfect solution to this. I mean, having both
messages sent from original sender and replied by default to the list.

I guess that this might be achieved finetuning Mailman (but I don’t know
how).

I hope it helps,

Pablo
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* Re: Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
  2021-07-31  9:31     ` Otared Kavian via ntg-context
  2021-07-31  9:41       ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
@ 2021-07-31 10:01       ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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From: Hans Hagen via ntg-context @ 2021-07-31 10:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Hans Hagen, Otared Kavian

On 7/31/2021 11:31 AM, Otared Kavian via ntg-context wrote:
>> On 31 Jul 2021, at 00:47, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context 
>> <ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:
>>> […]
>>
>> If you click on that name, you can see the actual address.
>>
>> Hraban
> 
> Sure, but I don’t understand why the behaviour has changed. It seems to 
> me a regression…
probably some experiment or update ... nothing that Taco can't fix if 
needed (next week) ... btw, here 'reply all' just works fine

Hans


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* Re: Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
  2021-07-31  9:41       ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
@ 2021-07-31 10:20         ` Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context
  2021-07-31 10:54           ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context @ 2021-07-31 10:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Thomas A. Schmitz


On 7/31/21 11:41 AM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
> I think so too. Especially since the original sender's address isn't included in "reply to all" messages.
I think it's an improvement. I have never understood why the original 
sender needs an additional mail, on top of the one (s)he receives from 
the list.

Thomas
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* Re: Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
  2021-07-31 10:20         ` Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context
@ 2021-07-31 10:54           ` Denis Maier via ntg-context
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From: Denis Maier via ntg-context @ 2021-07-31 10:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context; +Cc: denis.maier

I read some lists (not this one) through game's nntp interface. So it's nice being notified if someone responds to your message. Also, I do t think I've ever received duplicate mails so I guess they are filtered out somehow. I think some lists do that automatically...



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Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> im Auftrag von Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Gesendet: Samstag, 31. Juli 2021 12:20:01
An: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Cc: Thomas A. Schmitz
Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Strange new behaviour of the mailing list

On 7/31/21 11:41 AM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
> I think so too. Especially since the original sender's address isn't included in "reply to all" messages.
I think it's an improvement. I have never understood why the original
sender needs an additional mail, on top of the one (s)he receives from
the list.

Thomas
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* Re: Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
  2021-07-31 10:00 ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
@ 2021-07-31 13:56   ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
       [not found]     ` <6811A172-A946-4B30-B792-F6D676C74363@icloud.com>
  2021-08-02  7:21     ` Taco Hoekwater via ntg-context
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context @ 2021-07-31 13:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm



> Am 31.07.2021 um 12:00 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
> 
> message headers read now:
> 
>  From: Otared Kavian via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>  Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>  Cc: Otared Kavian <xxx@xxx.xxx>
>  Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl
>  Sender: "ntg-context" <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl>
> 
> Before they read:
> 
>  From: Otared Kavian <xxx@xxx.xxx>
>  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>  Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>  Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl
>  Sender: "ntg-context" <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl>

Ah, I didn’t recognize you mean this.

Since the mail goes through the mailing list software, the sender must not be the original sender any more – ntg.nl is not allowed to send emails for a different domain. Many securely configured mail servers reject “faked” sender addresses, as they should. Look up DANE etc.

Hraban
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* Re: Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
       [not found]     ` <6811A172-A946-4B30-B792-F6D676C74363@icloud.com>
@ 2021-07-31 21:02       ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
  2021-08-01  5:43         ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
  2021-08-01 14:16         ` Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context @ 2021-07-31 21:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm


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> Am 31.07.2021 um 21:19 schrieb Bruce Horrocks <bruce.horrocks@icloud.com>:
> 
> On 31 Jul 2021, at 14:56, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, I didn’t recognize you mean this.
>> 
>> Since the mail goes through the mailing list software, the sender must not be the original sender any more – ntg.nl is not allowed to send emails for a different domain. Many securely configured mail servers reject “faked” sender addresses, as they should. Look up DANE etc.
> 
> That's all well and good but it obscures the sender in your mail client. If you look at the screen shot you can see that the older emails all display the sender's name in the list. Under the new system (just the topmost entry, shown selected) every email comes from "ntg-context@ntg.nl" which is completely useless when you want to visually scan down the list for a particular person.

It doesn’t make sense to argue about this, but it’s apparently a setting (or unchangeable behavior) of your Email app.

My Apple Mail 12.4 on Mojave shows the same message like attached (dark mode).

Hraban


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* Re: Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
  2021-07-31 21:02       ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
@ 2021-08-01  5:43         ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
  2021-08-01 14:16         ` Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context @ 2021-08-01  5:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context; +Cc: Pablo Rodriguez

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On 7/31/21 11:02 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:
> [...]
> My Apple Mail 12.4 on Mojave shows the same message like attached (dark
> mode).

Thunderbird’s display is in the attached image.

The message list can only include a sender, since it has registered the
email address in the address book.

I think this behaviour makes most sense.

Pablo
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* Re: Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
  2021-07-31 21:02       ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
  2021-08-01  5:43         ` Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
@ 2021-08-01 14:16         ` Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context
  2021-08-21 13:27           ` Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context
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From: Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context @ 2021-08-01 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context; +Cc: Bruce Horrocks


> On 31 Jul 2021, at 22:02, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Am 31.07.2021 um 21:19 schrieb Bruce Horrocks <bruce.horrocks@icloud.com>:
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2021, at 14:56, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, I didn’t recognize you mean this.
>>> 
>>> Since the mail goes through the mailing list software, the sender must not be the original sender any more – ntg.nl is not allowed to send emails for a different domain. Many securely configured mail servers reject “faked” sender addresses, as they should. Look up DANE etc.
>> 
>> That's all well and good but it obscures the sender in your mail client. If you look at the screen shot you can see that the older emails all display the sender's name in the list. Under the new system (just the topmost entry, shown selected) every email comes from "ntg-context@ntg.nl" which is completely useless when you want to visually scan down the list for a particular person.
> 
> It doesn’t make sense to argue about this, but it’s apparently a setting (or unchangeable behavior) of your Email app.
> 
> My Apple Mail 12.4 on Mojave shows the same message like attached (dark mode).

I'm on Big Sur and I don't get the "name via ntg-context" display for a single message that your screen clip shows, so it looks like there has been a change in behaviour of Apple's mail client as well.

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* Re: Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
  2021-07-31 13:56   ` Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
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@ 2021-08-02  7:21     ` Taco Hoekwater via ntg-context
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From: Taco Hoekwater via ntg-context @ 2021-08-02  7:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,

> On 31 Jul 2021, at 15:56, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ah, I didn’t recognize you mean this.
> 
> Since the mail goes through the mailing list software, the sender must not be the original sender any more – ntg.nl is not allowed to send emails for a different domain. Many securely configured mail servers reject “faked” sender addresses, as they should. Look up DANE etc.


Which is exactly why that setting was changed. So yes, the change is on purpose.

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Taco

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* Re: Strange new behaviour of the mailing list
  2021-08-01 14:16         ` Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context
@ 2021-08-21 13:27           ` Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context
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From: Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context @ 2021-08-21 13:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> On 1 Aug 2021, at 15:16, Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2021, at 22:02, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Am 31.07.2021 um 21:19 schrieb Bruce Horrocks <bruce.horrocks@icloud.com>:
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2021, at 14:56, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ah, I didn’t recognize you mean this.
>>>> 
>>>> Since the mail goes through the mailing list software, the sender must not be the original sender any more – ntg.nl is not allowed to send emails for a different domain. Many securely configured mail servers reject “faked” sender addresses, as they should. Look up DANE etc.
>>> 
>>> That's all well and good but it obscures the sender in your mail client. If you look at the screen shot you can see that the older emails all display the sender's name in the list. Under the new system (just the topmost entry, shown selected) every email comes from "ntg-context@ntg.nl" which is completely useless when you want to visually scan down the list for a particular person.
>> 
>> It doesn’t make sense to argue about this, but it’s apparently a setting (or unchangeable behavior) of your Email app.
>> 
>> My Apple Mail 12.4 on Mojave shows the same message like attached (dark mode).
> 
> I'm on Big Sur and I don't get the "name via ntg-context" display for a single message that your screen clip shows, so it looks like there has been a change in behaviour of Apple's mail client as well.

Late reply, but for the benefit of anyone looking through the archive, I traced the cause of my problem to an entry in Contacts that had ntg-context@ntg.nl as the email address and no other details. Apple Mail decides to use this instead of the From: header when displaying the mailing list emails.

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