RE: Re: new stuff for brave users

RE: Re: new stuff for brave users

[ishamid]

Hi Patrick,

One suggestion for TeXshow-web:-)

The commands are all listed in alphabetical order, which is great. But one 
good help would be an option ordering them by topic. For example, a while back 
I needed a rotation command, and the manual does not discuss many of the 
graphics capabilities of ConTeXt. I finally found \rotate combing through the 
base files (it's not in cont-eni.pdf). It would be very useful to know all 
such graphics commands in ConTeXt. The organization of the Reference Manual of 
Lamport's book on LaTeX, or even the end-of-chapter command summaries of 
cont-eni.pdf, is a good model for this. So if I am looking for a graphics 
command I can look purely alphabetically as it is now, as well as topically, 
which is sometimes more useful.

A related point; in ConTeXt the bar <|> is an active character, which is not 
Plain behavior. A list of these little special characters would be useful as 
well, especially for macro writers, etc.

In any case, this list of commands is a great contribution, and a topical 
organization would make it greater:=)

All the best
Idris

Re: Re: new stuff for brave users

[Hans Hagen Outside]

ishamid wrote:

>The commands are all listed in alphabetical order, which is great. But one 
>good help would be an option ordering them by topic. For example, a while back 
>I needed a rotation command, and the manual does not discuss many of the 
>graphics capabilities of ConTeXt. I finally found \rotate combing through the 
>  
>
so ... not you can write a myway about it -)

those chapters are not yet added to the big manual (some of it is in the 
old versions; i have to rework them a bit)

Hans

 

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Re: Re: new stuff for brave users

[Brooks Moses]

On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 12:51:13AM +0200, Hans Hagen Outside wrote:
> so ... not you can write a myway about it -)

I seem to have lost my link to the existing MyWays, if I ever had
one.  Where can I find them?

Thanks,
- Brooks

Re: Re: new stuff for brave users

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> I seem to have lost my link to the existing MyWays, if I ever had
> one.  Where can I find them?

Existing MyWays are nowhere collected. (Planned at 
http://contextgarden.net/The_ConTeXt_Way)
"ThisWay"s are at http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/


Grüßlis vom Hraban!
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http://www.fiee.net/texnique/

Re: Re: new stuff for brave users

[Hans Hagen]

Taco Hoekwater wrote:

>  
>
>>Two weeks ago and again two days ago I asked Patrick what to do if I 
>>want to write some macro description but the macro is not present in 
>>texshow. But no response I have received yet. So the above Patrick's 
>>annoucement is a bit funny for me ;-)
>>    
>>
>
>This also raises another problem: what to do if the syntax definition is wrong?
>
>The very first definition is wrong: \about's syntax  is 
>	\about [ref] 
>not
>	\about {text} [ref]
>
>I fixed that in the garden, but will that new definition be destroyed at the
>next automatic update? (my change also didn't update the display, btw.)
>  
>
best send such patches to me, or maybe collect them as comment so that they can be fed back to me  

Hans 

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Re: Re: new stuff for brave users

[Vit Zyka]

Patrick Gundlach wrote:

> Hello Vit,
> 
> Well, I have receieved your message, but was too busy on
> context-live. Your message is still in my inbox and I will work on
> texshow-web this week. Your suggestion is not that trivial, since I
 > ...
 > Patrick

All right, I understand that.

 > > \definelayer[name][...,=,...]
 > > \setlayer[name][...,=,...]{text}
 >
 > > Can you add them, please? Or there is another way how to do it?

 > i have to do that to the main file; since layers are relatively new i 
 > didn't do it yet, but i'll put it on my todo list -)
 > Hans

Great!
Vit

Re: Re: new stuff for brave users

[Mojca Miklavec]

>>http://live.contextgarden.net
> 
> one thing to add: I'd appreciate any kind of comments, since I have
> only tested it with safari and old versions of mozilla. If you think
> that there is anything strange, don't hesitate to tell me! And don't
> rely on your impression that others will do so, so there would no
> need for feedback. 
> 
> Patrick

Here is what I wrote yesterday, but haven't sent yet :)
Did I send this accidentaly ? :) :) :)

It's a great service, it would just make sense to connect the wiki and 
code rendering, so that the code written would be automatically 
"copy-pasted" in the window (or any other mechanism to enable quick 
acces to the documents described in wiki).

Well done again,
	Mojca Miklavec

***   ***   ***   ***   ***

1.) WIKI

1.1.) It would make sense to add a link to CenTeXt wiki from
www.pragma-ade.com

1.2.) http://www.mayer.dial.pipex.com/latexrender.zip
is an example of a tool which (as long as I have seen and understood it
correctly) does nothing else but wrapping a (LaTeX) code, executing it
and cropping the relevant part into PNG image. There are already modules
for PHPBB and wiki. I guess it wouldn't take so much additional effort
to enable some excelent feature to both the ConTeXt and texshow wiki:
* rendering image as an example of the effect of the code written there

For example, if someone would write:
    [context]
    a couple of lines of context code
    [/context]

it would be shown as the code as well as a PNG image showing the result
and perhaps an additional link to the PDF document rendered.

Re: Re: new stuff for brave users

[Taco Hoekwater]

> Two weeks ago and again two days ago I asked Patrick what to do if I 
> want to write some macro description but the macro is not present in 
> texshow. But no response I have received yet. So the above Patrick's 
> annoucement is a bit funny for me ;-)

This also raises another problem: what to do if the syntax definition is wrong?

The very first definition is wrong: \about's syntax  is 
	\about [ref] 
not
	\about {text} [ref]

I fixed that in the garden, but will that new definition be destroyed at the
next automatic update? (my change also didn't update the display, btw.)


-- 
groeten,

Taco

Re: Re: new stuff for brave users

[Hans Hagen]

Vit Zyka wrote:

> > i have noticed that the next group of macros is missing in the
> > texshow-web:
>
> > \definelayer[name][...,=,...]
> > \setlayer[name][...,=,...]{text}
>
> > Can you add them, please? Or there is another way how to do it?

i have to do that to the main file; since layers are relatively new i didn't do it yet, but i'll put it on my todo list -) 

Hans 

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Re: Re: new stuff for brave users

[Vit Zyka]

>>http://live.contextgarden.net
> 
> one thing to add: I'd appreciate any kind of comments, since I have
> only tested it with safari and old versions of mozilla. If you think
> that there is anything strange, don't hesitate to tell me! And don't
> rely on your impression that others will do so, so there would no
> need for feedback. 
> 
> Patrick

Hmmm. Contextgarden with texshow are great ideas and tools for making 
usage of ConTeXt easier. So I desided to fill some contents occasionally.

Two weeks ago and again two days ago I asked Patrick what to do if I 
want to write some macro description but the macro is not present in 
texshow. But no response I have received yet. So the above Patrick's 
annoucement is a bit funny for me ;-)

OK, I ask here in the list again, see bellow.

Cheers
Vit Zyka

-------------------------------------------------------------
 > Hallo Patrick,

 > i have noticed that the next group of macros is missing in the
 > texshow-web:

 > \definelayer[name][...,=,...]
 > \setlayer[name][...,=,...]{text}

 > Can you add them, please? Or there is another way how to do it?