\framed[backgroundcolor=x] might imply \framed[background=color]

\framed[backgroundcolor=x] might imply \framed[background=color]

[Johan Sandblom]

What would be the drawback of allowing

backgroundcolor=n imply background=color

and

backgroundscreen=x imply background=screen

in the setup to \framed. Background compatibility should not be an
issue and I am failing to imagine cases where it would not be
desirable.

Regards, Johan

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Re: \framed[backgroundcolor=x] might imply \framed[background=color]

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Johan Sandblom <jsandblom@gmail.com> wrote:
> What would be the drawback of allowing
>
> backgroundcolor=n imply background=color
>
> and
>
> backgroundscreen=x imply background=screen
>
> in the setup to \framed. Background compatibility should not be an
> issue and I am failing to imagine cases where it would not be
> desirable.
>
> Regards, Johan

backgroundscreen has a default value and with your description
the background will be always gray.

Wolfgang
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Re: \framed[backgroundcolor=x] might imply \framed[background=color]

[Peter Rolf]

Johan Sandblom schrieb:
> What would be the drawback of allowing
> 
> backgroundcolor=n imply background=color
> 
> and
> 
> backgroundscreen=x imply background=screen
> 
> in the setup to \framed. Background compatibility should not be an
> issue and I am failing to imagine cases where it would not be
> desirable.
>
The background parameter is not fixed to 'color' or 'screen'. You can
use any type of overlay background (which itself can use the parameter
backgroundcolor). So the usage of 'backgroundcolor' doesn't always imply
'screen=color'. At least not in my macros.. :)


Best Wishes, Peter

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Re: \framed[backgroundcolor=x] might imply \framed[background=color]

[Hans Hagen]

Peter Rolf wrote:
> Johan Sandblom schrieb:
>> What would be the drawback of allowing
>>
>> backgroundcolor=n imply background=color
>>
>> and
>>
>> backgroundscreen=x imply background=screen
>>
>> in the setup to \framed. Background compatibility should not be an
>> issue and I am failing to imagine cases where it would not be
>> desirable.
>>
> The background parameter is not fixed to 'color' or 'screen'. You can
> use any type of overlay background (which itself can use the parameter
> backgroundcolor). So the usage of 'backgroundcolor' doesn't always imply
> 'screen=color'. At least not in my macros.. :)

is anyone using screen? deep down it's already mapped onto color anyway 
(the color mechanism will reduce colors anyway) .. if not, we might as 
well remove it from mkiv

Hans

ps. it dates from the time where not all printers could print gray areas 
and fallbacks were needed (fakes, real old code often)

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Re: \framed[backgroundcolor=x] might imply \framed[background=color]

[Johan Sandblom]

So perhaps as expected it turns out that the limitation was only in my
imagination. Thanks for the responses.

Johan

2008/9/2 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
> Peter Rolf wrote:
>> Johan Sandblom schrieb:
>>> What would be the drawback of allowing
>>>
>>> backgroundcolor=n imply background=color
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> backgroundscreen=x imply background=screen
>>>
>>> in the setup to \framed. Background compatibility should not be an
>>> issue and I am failing to imagine cases where it would not be
>>> desirable.
>>>
>> The background parameter is not fixed to 'color' or 'screen'. You can
>> use any type of overlay background (which itself can use the parameter
>> backgroundcolor). So the usage of 'backgroundcolor' doesn't always imply
>> 'screen=color'. At least not in my macros.. :)
>
> is anyone using screen? deep down it's already mapped onto color anyway
> (the color mechanism will reduce colors anyway) .. if not, we might as
> well remove it from mkiv
>
> Hans
>
> ps. it dates from the time where not all printers could print gray areas
> and fallbacks were needed (fakes, real old code often)
>
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Re: \framed[backgroundcolor=x] might imply \framed[background=color]

[Peter Rolf]

Johan Sandblom schrieb:
> So perhaps as expected it turns out that the limitation was only in my
> imagination. Thanks for the responses.
>
It's limited by your main focus. The drawbacks of specialismn (mine is
graphics, so I surely lack the textual part [not always (some would say
most times) aware of it]) :D

> Johan
> 
> 2008/9/2 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
>> Peter Rolf wrote:
>>> Johan Sandblom schrieb:
>>>> What would be the drawback of allowing
>>>>
>>>> backgroundcolor=n imply background=color
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> backgroundscreen=x imply background=screen
>>>>
>>>> in the setup to \framed. Background compatibility should not be an
>>>> issue and I am failing to imagine cases where it would not be
>>>> desirable.
>>>>
>>> The background parameter is not fixed to 'color' or 'screen'. You can
>>> use any type of overlay background (which itself can use the parameter
>>> backgroundcolor). So the usage of 'backgroundcolor' doesn't always imply
>>> 'screen=color'. At least not in my macros.. :)
>> is anyone using screen? deep down it's already mapped onto color anyway
>> (the color mechanism will reduce colors anyway) .. if not, we might as
>> well remove it from mkiv
>>
I can live without (and it's not a big deal to get the same effect with
a slightly different setup). So if it doesn't hurt too much, cut of the
old pigtails. *ConTeXt is a democratic kingdom* ;)

Regards, Peter

>> Hans
>>
>> ps. it dates from the time where not all printers could print gray areas
>> and fallbacks were needed (fakes, real old code often)
>>
must be from the time before I was born (or realized what a printer is) ...

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